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I don't disagree with what you're saying, but it's ultimately unhelpful to conflate ideas. You literally said in your comment "you can be intellectual." Their leader is an engineer. Our leader is someone who is a showman. (And not the first one we've elected!) As an immigrant, I'm no stranger to the "quirks" of Chinese culture.
Nationalistic "brainwashing" happens everywhere though, which even America is no stranger to. Our wholesale worship of capitalism and the dollar and "freedom" (as we lock up chelsea manning??) seems like a result of "brainwashing" to me. We literally wrote the book on propaganda. https://www.amazon.com/Propaganda-Edward-Bernays/dp/0970312598
Anyway, If you want to say china is authoritarian and that is problematic, that is fine. But I'm just taking exception to this thread where locking up a painter is "anti-intellectual" because it's a weak argument and the general sentiment of 'China bad cause China' (maybe a result of American brainwashing??) is distasteful to me.
Just to add to this - public relations is actually a synonym for propaganda.
https://www.amazon.com/Propaganda-Edward-Bernays/dp/0970312598
It is really just any attempt to sway public opinion.
(That book is a must-read for all Americans I would add. For one thing it not only explains how prevalent propaganda is, but will familiarize you with some of the specific techniques and approaches used.)
Social Justice Warriors Always Lie: Taking Down The Thought Police by Vox Day <== A really important work
Propaganda by Edward Bernays
Influence: The Psychology of Persuasion by Robert Cialdini
SJW attack survival guide drawing on the work of Vox Day
How to Disagree Without Being Disagreeable: Getting Your Point Across with the Gentle Art of Verbal Self-Defense
Google "verbal self defense" and a lot will pop up, if you are talking about 1-on-1 and small group contexts.
Google "influence" or "persuasion" or "propaganda" or "social change" if you are talking about large groups or society as a whole.
This is the greatest and most important documentary ever made. Can't believe I had never heard of Edward Bernays before seeing this, I suggest buying his book Propaganda. The man was a genius at helping business turn active citizens into passive consumers. Now all you ever hear from people is "vote with your dollar!". Forget actual participation its all about what you consume that defines you.
Here is a [torrent](http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/5119790/Adam_Curtis_Collection_(Century_of_the_Self__The_Trap__etc.) with all of his documentaries for anyone interested.
Not sure if it's exactly what you mean but:
Malcolm Gladwell - The Tipping Point: How Little Things Can Make a Big Difference
Edward Bernays - Propaganda
Walter Lippmann - Public Opinion / Phantom Public
Anthony Pratkanis - Age Of Propaganda: The Everyday Use And Abuse Of Persuasion
Noam Chomsky & Edward S. Herman - Manufacturing Consent
Noam Chomsky - Media Control / Propaganda And The Public Mind / The Propaganda System / What Makes Mainstream Media Mainstream
Thomas de Zengotita - Mediated: How The Media Shapes Your World And The Way You Live In It
Jason Stanley - How Propaganda Works
Alain De Botton - The News: A User's Manual
Ooof, Khmer was horrible. For books on propaganda, maybe take a look at these:
Fairly sure you can find them at B-Ok to sample.
Yes, there are plenty of "paid shills," plenty of voter rights abuses, etc. Your mistakes are as follows:
How about instead of reading conspiracy theories online -- which could possibly be posted by anyone, even these scary bots you refer to -- who don't you read an actual book from a credible source? Try:
It's always been like this. If you're interested check out:
Rich Media, Poor Democracy: Communication Politics in Dubious Times by R. McChesney
Necessary Illusions : Thought Control in Democratic Societies by N.Chomsky
Our Unfree Press: 100 Years of Radical Media Criticism by R.McChesney
Beyond Hypocrisy: Decoding the News in an Age of Propaganda by E.Herman
Inventing Reality: The Politics of News Media by M.Parenti
Dollarocracy: How the Money and Media Election Complex is Destroying America by R.McChesney
Manufacturing Consent: The Political Economy of the Mass Media by E.Herman and N.Chomsky
Constructing Public Opinion by J.Lewis
The More You Watch the Less You Know by D.Schecter
The Political Economy of Media: Enduring Issues, Emerging Dilemmas by R.McChesney
Gender, Race, and Class in Media: A Critical Reader by Dines and Humez
Beyond Consumer Capitalism: Media and the Limits to Imagination by J.Lewis
Propaganda by E.Bernays
Make-Believe Media: The Politics of Entertainment by M.Parenti
When News Lies by D.Schecter
Media Control: The Spectacular Achievements of Propaganda by N.Chomsky
Will the Revolution Be Televised?: A Marxist Analysis of the Media by J.Molenyeux
All these guys have youtube lectures if you aren't much of a reader. Alternatively check out the following documentaries:
Manufacturing Consent
The Myth of the Liberal Media
The Power of Nightmares
Psywar
Class Dismissed: how TV frames the working class
The Power Principle
Project Censored: Is the Press Really Free?
Or you could even do a course in media literacy and watch Sut Jhally's lecture series on Media, Public Relations and Propaganda.
Because Falwell's own words were quite specific about this: he and his followers were constantly saying that people with AIDS should be segregated from the rest of the population, that they were dangerous and evil – those were the words he used – and even that LGBTQ people should be imprisoned and executed. His church continues to support such proposals outside of the US, as well, even today. If these things are somehow not malicious, then the word has lots its entire meaning. There can be nothing more malicious than threatening people with death and suggesting they do not even have the right to exist.
And using an image "just to catch the eye" is a core element of propaganda. It wouldn't work very well if it didn't catch the eye, would it? Sure, he wanted to "sell his stuff" – i.e., have people give him money. That's pushing for material and/or ideological support – a central intent in almost all propaganda.
I think you may not be very familiar with Falwell and his movement if you think there wasn't malicious intent.
You can start here:
https://www.amazon.com/Jerry-Falwell-Rise-Religious-Right-ebook/dp/B07MKPDCD4
https://www.amazon.com/Falwell-Inc-Religious-Political-Educational-ebook/dp/B01ARRWPKI
https://www.amazon.com/Propaganda-Edward-Bernays/dp/0970312598
Men hvis det havde været en Russisk rigmand som ejede et medie og havde forbindelse til KGB / FSB så ville du lige pludselig tro mere på historien. Specielt hvis det er vestlige medier der siger det. Ik? ik? jov
Edit: jeg synes du burde læse den her bog: https://www.amazon.com/Propaganda-Edward-Bernays/dp/0970312598
Some very interesting things in this article. For instance,
>One of the most disconcerting developments of the ugly 2016 Presidential campaign has been ongoing criticism by mainstream media sites and pundits of competing sources of news and information. This attempt at information control is reminiscent of the line of thinking argued by Walter Lippmann and Edward Bernays, both members of the Creel Committee. The Creel Committee was the first systematic large-scale government-sponsored propaganda effort, which turned the formerly pacifist US into an eager antagonist of Great War Germany. The Committee was remarkable in the range of channels it used before the days of mass media to reach citizens and pump out stories of German barbarism, including bogus accounts of German soldiers bayonetting babies. Many member of the American public were horrified in the 1920s when they learned of the operation of the Creel Committee and the ease with which it had manipulated mass opinion.
>Apologists like Lippmann and Bernays argued that modern life had become too complicated for ordinary people to understand; that citizens needed to have their information screened, interpreted, and presented by experts, such as members of the media. Bernays in his 1928 book Propaganda tried to rehabilitate the term, arguing that the word originally referred to religions presenting their message to potential converts, and that governments and businesses were justified in presenting the most persuasive version possible of their case, including using emotional techniques and validators to bolster their image. To illustrate how routine propaganda was, Bernays took the front page of a New York Times edition and ascertained that half the stories were propaganda.
>In other words, the notion that the public should accept elite minders and gatekeepers as their sole source of information comes straight from successful first-generation propagandists.
If you haven't already this is a must read on this subject "Propaganda by Edward Bernays" http://www.amazon.co.uk/PROPAGANDA-Edward-Bernays/dp/0970312598
Edward Louis James Bernays was a pioneer in the field of public relations and propaganda, referred to in his obituary as "the father of public relations". He combined the ideas of Gustave Le Bon and Wilfred Trotter on crowd psychology with the psychoanalytical ideas of his uncle, Sigmund Freud.
Gun violence is actually way down:
http://dailycaller.com/2013/05/08/study-gun-violence-plummeted-but-people-think-it-increased/
What is way up is media trying to make it seem like there is an epidemic as part of a public relations (propaganda) campaign against the Second Amendment.
Edward Bernays is widely considered to be the pioneer of public relations. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Bernays)
Propaganda is probably his most well-known book: http://www.amazon.com/Propaganda-Edward-Bernays/dp/0970312598
Propaganda by Edward Bernays
Documentaries:
Human Resources
The Century of Self
All Watched Over by Machines of Loving Grace
Books:
Naomi Klein - Shock Doctrine
Edward Bernays - Propaganda
Walter Lippman - Public Opinion
Wilhelm Reich - Mass Psychology of Nazism
Slava Gerovitch - “New Soviet Man” Inside Machine: Human Engineering, Spacecraft Design,and the Construction of Communism
Edit: OP also important is to consider Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs; Reproduction (sex), Subsistance (food, air, sleep) followed by safety/security, belonging (family, society), esteem (self-confidence) and finally self-actualization. Control these and ultimately you control the masses.
Both 1984 and BNW aboard these subjects with different emphasis (BNW - reproduction, 1984 -security and esteem).
Sure ask away.
Regarding Answer 1:
Over at /r/illimitablemen we recently had a little discussion about manipulating the media. Since this subreddit is confidential I can not share what I wrote but here is the little part about the book:
I haven't read the book and have no intention of reading it, since I am not the biggest Ryan Holiday fan. He recommends to start with the smallest companies and work your way up? Sounds fucking retarded and not a valuable strategy if you really want to leave a dent.
I haven't been aware that Ryan Holiday is supposedly THE guru to turn to for political PR. Gave me a good laugh. Anyway, what I do have is [... little later someone posted his concept of trading up the chain A joke of an Wikipedia article that should be removed as soon as possible since it is obvious that this was solely written for the backlinks and poses no relevance to nothing]
Choose the smallest platform and pray for it to get whispered down the lane? Marvellous idea! Someone give that guy a Nobel Prize.
Of course, there are numerous cases where this did happen. But you must be one huge retard to rely on it. This is the last resort and only valuable if you have 0 connections and no inclination to build any.
Listen to people who have real and not merely theoretical knowledge. They all believe Ryan to be an imbecile, which is even worse considering that Ryan is the apprentice of Robert Greene.
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Yesterday I watched the (amazing) football game with [someone] and I asked for their PR book recommendations, having this thread in mind. 5 out of 5 said that they never read PR books on a regular basis. [one guy] said that he hasn't even read a book about PR since his studies.
PR is interesting in the sense that it is is nothing you can really learn from books. The books that come closest are books about war & strategy.
Anyway, we did come up with some good books, especially propaganda minister Joseph Goebbel's favourite:
Edward Bernays, Propaganda (get this even if not employed in the PR sector). Other good books by him: Public Relations, Crystallizing Public Opinion & Engineering of Consent.
Number 2 is Ansgar Zerfaß, though his books are way too expensive for the average, mentally healthy person. Edit: Pirates yohaaay [link removed]
and the third one is Guerilla PR 2.0. by Michael Levine. Comprehensive and updated for the modern environment.
Answer 2: People have been slinging dirt at Hillary for years, so she is used to it. But I have the feeling that Donald Trump, unlike the rest of us, is not cooking with water, hence his dirt just might stick. On the other hand he is pretty far behind in the polls. Polls that are prone to errors and can drastically change given certain circumstances.
Obama having Clinton's back is terrible and will most likely influence the outcome to a certain degree.
Me, personally, I hope that Trump wins since it is better for Russia and therefore better for Europe. I am sick of seeing European farmers, as well as many other professions, lose their job, just because the fucking American elite wants to play Cold War 2.0, and use a trade embargo against Russia.
All because of what? The Crimea? Fuck that, I couldn't care less. Split the Ukraine up, give the part up to Lviv to the Austrian-Hungarian Empire and the rest to Russia.
Please ask question 3 again so I don't forget about it, but I need some fresh air now.
Propoganda by Edward Bernays, who largely invented the field of public relations and state propoganda, was first published in 1928 but is still a very relevant and engaging read.
It is Not a Rumor.
See Also:
“The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country.”—Edward Bernays, Propaganda
Enemy of the State was eerily prophetic, and it handles the smear campaign of the protagonist rather well. I can't find the relevant video, but the leader of the group smearing the hero said something like "I want people to know he's a liar before he opens his mouth."
Another good article is
The Tie that Binds: Sadomasochism in Female Addicted Trauma Survivors
http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/10720160216050?journalCode=usac20
Access it here:
http://dx.doi.org.sci-hub.io/10.1080/10720160216050
I believe this is the correct Stephen Southern. He may have done further research, I am unsure. I know these doctors also like hearing personal stories too. It can assist with their research.
https://www.mc.edu/faculty/u/Southern
This article is eerily similar to your experience.
Essential Papers on Masochism (Essential Papers on Psychoanalysis)
https://www.amazon.com/Essential-Papers-Masochism-Psychoanalysis/dp/0814734952/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&amp;ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1501473753&amp;sr=1-1&amp;keywords=9780814734957
Also, if you dig back away in my comments this used to be a trolling account, I'm not going to lie. Yes I do go to the gym, yes I have been kicked out of Planet Fitness lmao. I'm also 100% against BDSM and the whole "Red Pill" mentality to be honest I find that whole subreddit extremely funny. But I digress, this is reddit..You don't have to listen to me, just follow the current research and truly start digging, you will find answers, and many simply show BDSM is in no way shape or form healthy.
To be perfectly honest, this type of behavior has a tie-in with Evolutionary Psychology and Primatology. If you are interested read about Psychology of Institutionalized violence. We witnessed it during Roman Coliseums, Bull Fighting, Boxing, MMA, etc. Violence is a HUGE part of our species.
If you look at our history as primates we have engaged in many perverse activities, especially war.
Also I read your edit. It's honestly pretty eerie how similar it is to a email I sent to a Psychologist and what I have said previously in conversations with medical professionals. I'm not going to lie I'm a big wigged out right now!
My email read as follows. I had to redact some information, but it should sound identical to your thoughts. I typed this email 2 months ago.
"She has an unhealthy liking with Sexual Masochism and a pornography. Knowing her currently compromised mental state, emotional vulnerability, and ESPECIALLY claims of sexual assault/abuse/molestation as a child I feel there may be some kind of SERIOUSLY messed up relationship between these two. These types of power dynamics and their relationship, especially if they existed previously, are not healthy.
At one point she suggested erotic asphyxiation and being bound, whipped, gagged, punished, humiliated, wanted pain inflicted on her, arm twisting, etc. Yes, I understand people do kinky things in the bedroom, but there is NOTHING okay about wanting someone else to injure you, humiliate you, or cause you bodily injury. I specifically remember giving her a stern conversation about how women and men should be treated as equals in a relationship.
I KNOW this behavior has also caused her bodily injury. It was CLEARLY welts from being hit. She could barely sit down. She also had body injuries during this time that I couldn't account for. She has also had bruises and cuts that I couldn't account for. Once again, knowing her mental state and past traumas, it's all really troubling.
Lets be honest, this behavior is a bit beyond using some sex toys, slapping butts, etc in the bed. This kind of relationship is wrong beyond comprehension. Taking advantage of a psychologically impaired person with a serious mental illness, childhood trauma, and substance abuse problems for your own sadistic sexual gain is SERIOUSLY MESSED UP!
I strongly feel this behavior is being used as a defense mechanism to mask previous traumas that have occurred in her life."
I have no idea if the info went anywhere, or if the young woman is a lost cause. To be perfectly honest, you can't help everyone, it's just a harsh reality.
If you want to learn more about Psychology in general. I world first start with the master of propaganda, Edward Bernays. He was related to Sigmund Freud(imagine that!) Then read into Pavlov and B.F. Skinner.
https://www.amazon.com/Propaganda-Edward-Bernays/dp/0970312598
People say it's "quackery," but I see the affects of their teachings in every aspect of society.
As the neuroscientist posted in this, she couldn't believed it happened to her, but it does.
Also, when it comes to Childhood Traumas, it becomes extremely hard to navigate fact from fiction. Childhood Sexual Abuse(CSA), and Childhood Abuse in general is strongly linked to pathological lying and grandiose delusions.(It's a coping mechanism) I've heard stories(anecdotal) of some therapist simply tossing in the towel because dealing with someone with Anti-Social Personality Disorder is extremely difficult and sometimes impossible.
I'm also glad you got out of that relationship and found a healthier place!
Uh, guess who actually wrote THE bible on propaganda.
https://www.amazon.com/Propaganda-Edward-Bernays/dp/0970312598
Give Flat Earth News a read, it's not even about political news, just news in general. There are examples showing how everyone uses bad scientific conclusions and just poor reporting in general to make false conclusions to further a goal or just to make money.
Also if you like that you'd also like Propoganda by Edward Bernays.
Welcome! Here are some resources I recommend:
Books
Films
Short videos
Subreddits
Other
Propaganda - Edward Bernays
If you're looking to read a seminal text on mass communication this is the Old Testament.
The Wikipedia on Mr Bernays is also a fascinating read:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Bernays#Propaganda
more on the origins of propaganda
I'd like to give you some better statistics on gun ownership and crime rates but unfortunately I don't have the time at the moment.
Let me know if you'd like to talk about it further. Hope you have a good day!
https://www.amazon.com/Propaganda-Edward-Bernays/dp/0970312598/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1495280102&amp;sr=8-1&amp;keywords=propaganda
>so there's another one I have up on you.
I'm amazed at your clairvoyance. Pray tell, what kind of phone do I have then?
> you refuse to learn how apps and mobile phones work,
Again, a failure in research. I'm a professional IT admin, and support around 150 android and iphone devices in far more rigorous an environment than a personal phone would likely be.
>nd you believe that an imaginary narcissist in the sky will save you, and maybe even me, if you pray hard enough.
Again you are showing your ignorance.
But I'm gonna throw you this bone, so you can stop looking like a fool in the future. (I wish!)
Salvation depends solely on accepting Jesus as your personal Savior.
That's it.
You don't need to even touch a Bible tbh.
You don't even need to be a particularly good person (I don't know many who are).
All you need is a sincere desire. That's it.
Ok, I'm done talking nice to you, back to my accustomed vitriol:
Our modern culture isn't the 'pinnacle' of anything.
Everything is always in transition, always changing.
100 years ago, advertisements were little pictures in catalogs that told you the features of the product. They didn't enjoin you to spend your money for a vapid promise of a 'life experience' as modern advertisements do.
That's because some genius psych students started applying psychological manipulation techniques to advertising.
And everything changed, and mostly got worse.
And its become so accepted in the modern day that millennials are literally clueless about a world without ubiquitous advertising.
And rally to defend it simply because they're addicted to the media it is attached to.
>GrilledCheese_monger for the win today!
There is absolutely nothing more cringeworthy in an online debate than to declare yourself winner halfway through.
The Constitution says everyone is entitled to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, but God forbid we should try to save anyone's life. I believe it was George Carlin who said some people only care about you before your born, and after that they don't give a damn if you die.
I would like to say I used to consider myself a Libertarian Republican, but after studying this issue, the IMF and World Bank, I found the data did not support my belief system -- unless someone was obviously lying to push an agenda that is.
As Chalmers Johnson likes to say
>When I get new information I change my opinion. What sir do you do with new information?
I would also recommend reading Walter Lippmann's Public Opinion and Edward Bernays's Propaganda
You need to.
$10.29 with Amazon Prime, should take you a day, tops.
No reason you can't cross that off your list in one week, to be honest.
>the state does not control the media
I suggest you do a little basic reading in media studies. Your belief that the US media system is not controlled is quite naive. In fact the US invented the industry of media manipulation. Edward Bernays is a famous name -- the guy that was hired by tobacco companies to convince women that smoking was the same as women's lib, was also hired to sell the public on entering into WWI. etc etc
https://www.amazon.com/Propaganda-Edward-Bernays/dp/0970312598/
the state and the ever-fewer corporations that own the media (and are also defense contractors) are hand-in-glove. The myth of the heroic journalist and media organization diligently digging out the truth etc is exactly that -- a legitimizing myth. Do you think it was an accident that the WaPo and NYT were pushing the WMDs in Iraq lie? No, they're part of the state.
http://billmoyers.com/story/twenty-years-of-media-consolidation-has-not-been-good-for-our-democracy/
http://www.pbs.org/independentlens/democracyondeadline/mediaownership.html
Our entire media system is owned by 5 or 6 corporations. Radios, newspapers, TV stations ... all of it. They set the framing, what is going to be covered and what is not. No need to resort to throwing people in jail in those circumstances. The media is happy to go along with the state.
So it isnt propaganda if you're right? That is the same as saying anyone I disagree with is a manipulative propagandist. Propaganda is the disemination of information. Nothing more. It is journalism and public relations. Here, read: https://www.amazon.com/Propaganda-Edward-Bernays/dp/0970312598/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1483902453&amp;sr=8-1&amp;keywords=propaganda
>I find it hard to take your (Corbynites') qualms with the media seriously.
2 studies have shown that we have been overwhelmingly misrepresented in the media. The media legitimately hates and misrepresents the left
http://i.imgur.com/UZlDEuP.jpg
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/jeremy-corbyn-media-bias-labour-mainstream-press-lse-study-misrepresentation-we-cant-ignore-bias-a7144381.html
https://theconversation.com/media-bias-against-jeremy-corbyn-shows-how-politicised-reporting-has-become-71593
https://www.jacobinmag.com/2016/07/jeremy-corbyn-media-coup-bbc-labour/
>I don't suppose you caught any of Steve Bannon (Trump aide and ex-Breitbart chair) ranting about the media at the CPAC (conservative conference) in the USA this week?
No. But actually the Trump administration is basically saying the truth when it says the Mainstream media is full of complete and utter shit and has been lying and manipulating the general public for years. It has. A broken clock is right twice a day.
Personally I you know whats more depressing that watching Trump stumble his way through his coke fuelled press conferences? The terrible reaction from the media, instead of questioning him on the Libya raid, instead of questioning him on all this horrific shit he's said and done, they just try live fact check him and defend their media insitutions like whining children. It shows how completely out of touch with actual Journalism the MSM has become. It's like, they are legitimately shocked to be stuck in an advisoral role with a Politician when normally Politicians will sell their soul for media access.
>You guys sound a lot like that, i.e. nuts.
If you legitimately believe the mainstream media is an unbiased source of information and not just a mouthpiece of the establishment that gives a shit about access above all else. I don't know really what to tell you.
https://www.amazon.com/Propaganda-Edward-Bernays/dp/0970312598
https://www.amazon.com/Manufacturing-Consent-Political-Economy-Media/dp/0375714499
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outfoxed