Best emigration & immigration law books according to redditors

So here were my takeaways from the debate:

Rubio:

• "Iran is going to literally defeat America, if it's even still standing after ISIS destroys it first."
  
  
• "marcorubio.com: home of the facts. Not like... the climate change ones, come on."
  
  
• "Hillary Clinton is literally banned from entering the White House and I will physically stop her from entering."
  
  Paul:
  
  
• "I oppose abortion because reddit has to disagree with me about something."
  
  
• "I'm actually very liberal on the issue of institutional racism in criminal justice. I literally have the exact same view as Hillary Clinton on this issue. Do not ask anyone else on this stage for their opinion because it will be a disaster."
  
  
• "I am so goddamn glad you asked me about Bill Clinton."
  
  
• "I miss doing eye surgery. You know what? I'm out, I'm going back to medical practice."
  
  Cruz:
  
  
• "In 93 hours, none of us on this stage will have won Iowa."
  
  Kasich:
  
  
• "I also follow scripture closely on the role of women in society, but don't spread that around because I've done a really great job of keeping it on the DL so far this campaign."
  
  Christie:
  
  
• "Planned Parenthood is literally a holocaust, but I absolve myself of responsibility when someone shoots up another clinic because I didn't explicitly call for it."
  
  
• "I'm the only one on this stage who has ever faced the fear of loss."
  
  Carson:
  
  
• "Putin is a one horse country, oil."
  
  
• "We are blessed with tremendous energy in this country, and yet I seem to get absolutely none of it."
  
  
• "I really hope this speech I'm giving isn't ripped from the Pokemon movie."
  
  Jeb:
  
  
• "I was so uninspiring I had to literally be edited into this comment. My book is available on Amazon but I'm a goddamn liar because it's not $2.99."
  

He does all the time he wrote a whole book about it https://www.amazon.com/His-Panic-Americans-Fear-Hispanics/dp/0451226097/ref=la_B001HCXEB2_1_2?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1492376453&sr=1-2

He has a lot of opinions on everything though that's how he keeps finding himself pissing some people off

That link for the book doesn't work. Do you know where else I can get it? I really want to read it now.

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Turns out Grey also wrote a book called "Justice and Authority in Immigration Law", published in 2015.Here it is on amazon, I think I am going to buy one just because.

Amazon page for "Justice and Authority in Immigration Law"

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I dun goofed, If your wondering, I followed this link "Greys" Goodreads page.

Here is a paper and here is a book. Didn't read it but have studied Chomsky.

I gotta go now, once you have read the first (and possibly the second), come back for more.

One more thing: Numbers would look even brighter if there was a clear path for these people to actually gain citizenship and contribute to the country legally. Part of why some of these people don't pay taxes is that they are afraid of repercussions when dealing with governmental institutions. And with Trump, this fear is gonna increase and tax outcome is gonna decrease.

I don't like music much (tone deaf).

This is a pretty good intro to both sides of the debate (US focused): https://www.amazon.com/Open-Immigration-Yea-Encounter-Broadsides/dp/159403821X/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1518810648&sr=8-1&keywords=nowrasteh

Start understanding why it is that people are driven to come here illegally. The immigration/refuge process takes years, even decades. And the people who come here illegally rarely take the opportunities that migrants do. A good starter is here (https://www.amazon.com/They-Take-Our-Jobs-Immigration/dp/0807041564).

ROTFL! How did I know you'd link to something like The Heritage Foundation!?? And you accuse ME of not having any arguments supported by facts? You're linking to a conservative think tank! LOL. Your link has been thoroughly debunked:

https://www.factcheck.org/2013/06/the-immigration-bills-6-3-trillion-price-tag-2/

So, very sorry, you are wrong on crime:

https://www.factcheck.org/2018/06/is-illegal-immigration-linked-to-more-or-less-crime/

You are wrong on taxes:

https://www.amazon.com/They-Take-Our-Jobs-Immigration/dp/0807041564#reader_0807041564

And your statement about "destroying our culture" is the epitome of right-wing racist rhetoric.

I think Reihan Salam has made a pretty good case that unless you are very confident in the upward mobility of low-skilled immigrant's children, it's probably best the U.S. pursue high-skilled immigrants more exclusively and the country back away from the status quo of heavily family-based policy. If you're interested there's a book he recently wrote on the topic, but I'd generally agree there's a reason most lasting low-skill immigration regimes are like the harshly enforced ones you can observe in Singapore and Qatar.

>The points trotted out seemed hackneyed and formalistic, and the "right answer" was always whatever cast Europeans and/or white males in the worst possible light.

It's funny because if you look at what's getting published in the top journals (American Sociological Review and American Journal of Sociology), it's nothing like that stuff. But that's still what our undergraduates are interested in (even though it's not really what are classes are like). I volunteered to be a discussant for some of the undergraduates' BA thesis and the two that I was assigned was something about Black Feminist epistemology (intersectionality is bad, boo! You should be black and feminist, but nothing more) and something about Foucault and death penalty abolition. They were just so out of the norm of the work done by the faculty and graduate students of the department, I didn't know how to react to them.

Honestly, I'm not surprised at your experience--that's still a big part of the field, especially at the undergraduate level--but I can tell you that, from the perspective of people in my department at least, that stuff legacy of sociology is, in a word, "embarrassing". I'd recommend Shamus Khan's Privilege (it just won our biggest book prize last year, the C. Wright Mills award) as a better example of what's actually being researched right now in sociology. Here's a PDF of the introduction, where he lays out all his arguments and the rest of the book is mostly filling in those theses with data. Rather than saying "hierarchies are evil and it is European/white/male's fault", the very first "lesson" of the book is "hierarchies are natural and they can be treated like ladders, not ceilings" (pg. 15). Historical sociology has always been less interested in that gushy stuff and more interested in developing theories about macro-level changes (why did states form? what causes revolutions? how did the Ottoman state centralize? why is nationalism different in Germany and France? how did the passport come about? where did capitalism come from?), though there's also stuff about how macro-level events affect people and social structures at the micro-level (Charles Tilly's The Vendée comes to mind).

I really enjoyed Immigration in a Nutshell. It did a good job thing asylum together which I had a huge problem understanding. I got it from a library.

https://www.amazon.com/Immigration-Law-Procedure-Nutshell-Nutshells/dp/0314199446

>Is that actually happening?

I think you know very well that I didn't suggest that at all.

>What values do you think are going to be lost by more immigrants coming into this entire nation of immigrants? What norms are you claiming are going to be eroded?

I'm not making a positive claim to that effect, though I don't discount the possibility that some civic values particular to the United States might exist and be eroded within ghettoized migrant communities. I'm claiming that the broader concern is understandable and valid, and that it shouldn't be summarily dismissed in the way you've dismissed it.

If you disagree with me on that point, why did you ask me for specific values? Were you interested? Did you think I might have concerns you could otherwise address? Did you think you could persuade me?

If yes, why not extend that mindset to other people?

>I think we've turned a sympathetic ear to those Americans for too long and allowed them to cause this problem we're in right now due to their irrational fears. We should be pointing out that their fears are irrational, not telling them they have a point.

I don't think that's the case; I think Democrats lost in 2016 because poor whites felt they weren't being listened to...because they weren't. I think Democrats have tried to make up for that loss by driving minority turnout and making inroads in white suburbs. They've abandoned a traditional constituency.

Now, you say that you should be pointing out irrational fears, and that may be the case. That certainly isn't what you did here. Far from it. You literally just said people were racist xenophobes. In the American context, that's not constructive criticism. It's in the realm of slurs and fighting words. If you call someone who doesn't think of themselves as racist a racist, you're going to provoke wrath, not introspection - and that's a predictable consequence you ought to own.

You've been on CMV a minute or two. In your experience, does aggressively telling someone how profoundly wrong they are change their view? Or does it help to build common ground and a mutual path forward? My experience suggests the latter; and I think what applies to the macrocosm as well as the microcosm.

>What legitimate anxiety?

Imagine you're a poor white person in Appalachia. This is what you see: a Democratic party that preaches "demography is destiny" and terms like "white privilege" being thrown around by people who make enough in a month to buy everything you own with plenty to spare. Your future doesn't look great and neither does the future of your children. Nobody but Trump seems to notice or care.

The left has abandoned you, and it appears that their coalition of minorities and rich white people are ascendant and happy to dispense with you. And what's more: they express open contempt for you. All you have to do is watch Colbert and you know exactly what you are to them. You're something between a punchline and the devil.

And while they display the contempt in the open without a shred of shame, they'll extend near-infinite solicitude to illegal immigrants. They'll do it sight unseen - if they know nothing about a person apart from their undocumented status, the left wants heaven and earth moved to bring that person in from the cold and help them.

But not you. You're a deplorable. You failed to capitalize on your white privilege to get you out of rural West Virginia and become as fantastically wealthy as all white people can, so your needs are secondary to the people coming here from other countries for nebulous reasons. The core of your anxiety is this: being an American is meaningless if things don't change.

There are plenty of legitimate criticisms of that view and you don't have to agree with it. I don't care to argue that you should. What I will say is that those fears are understandable, real, valid, and they're not going to go away if you call those who feel them racists and xenophobes. You will exacerbate the problem and invite unpredictable - though certainly negative - consequences. We would all be better off making compromises instead of trying to force people to be converts or enemies.

This is a good, heterodox book on the subject. It's worth the read.

Have a good one.

The Great Call up was essentially a dry run for the mobilization for WWI. President Wilson called up the entire National Guard in shifts over a year period. It weeded out all of the unfit soldiers and provided significant field training. Here are two recent books that you might find of interest.

https://www.amazon.com/Great-Call-Up-Border-Mexican-Revolution/dp/0806146451/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1512008370&sr=8-2&keywords=mexican+border+mobilization

https://www.amazon.com/First-Border-Wall-Militia-Mobilization-ebook/dp/B01GD7CQ28/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1512008370&sr=8-1&keywords=mexican+border+mobilization

Also, if you don't want to spend any money, you can search for a copy of the 27th Infantry Division WWI history. The first several chapters deal with the Mexican Call up.

Have you thought of traveling for sightseeing or medical tourism or writing travel books? https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07WVFFX6X
I retired in 2012 from 26 years practicing law. Managed to do nothing for 6 month, then got bored and tried something useful to do, like drilling, finance, etc, with the conclusion: need to find a no-stress thing to do. Now writing books about retirement abroad and historic fiction novels.

Aviva Chomsky, a professor at Salem State College, states that "Early studies in California and in the Southwest and in the Southeast...have come to the same conclusions. Immigrants, legal and illegal, are more likely to pay taxes than they are to use public services. Illegal immigrants are not eligible for most public services and live in fear of revealing themselves to government authorities. Households headed by illegal immigrants use less than half the amount of federal services that households headed by documented immigrants or citizens make use of."[42]

If youre more curious about these ideas you have been radicalized to believe, maybe read this!

"They Take Our Jobs!": And 20 Other Myths about Immigration https://www.amazon.com/dp/0807041564/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_vTitDbNEEJ5V3

I am retired, financially independent. Pro bono doesn't do it. Tried a few things to do after retirement. A whole different feeling: doing business for fun, need to be cautious only about liability. Was helping a friend to find a place to retire abroad, and ended up writing some books. Lifestyle is more rich when there is change of scenery, history, diverse cultures at a hand's reach. Take a look, the books are free on KindleUnlimited:

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07XFRNRMD

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07XYDN1B3

My apologies.

Try George Megaloganis' The Australian Moment and his sequel: Australia's Second Chance. I would also suggest Nick Bryant's The Rise and Fall of Australia.

I apologise if I implied any disrespect. The Greens get me a bit riled.

My mother, Roberta Gellis, wrote a four-part fantasy series with Lackey, and some other fantasies, and some medieval mysteries and medieval romances (which is sort of like fantasy but with real history and no magic). Here are links to her pages on publishers' sites...

http://www.baen.com/catalog/category/view/s/roberta-gellis/id/1739/

http://www.belgravehouse.com/online/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=1012_1063

https://www.audible.com/author/Roberta-Gellis/B000AQ38HG

I hope this helps.

Also, as far as the non-fiction goes, I am NOT an expert in this field, but I did a little checking and I found a few things...

https://www.amazon.com/Immigrant-Success-Planning-Family-Resource/dp/177141023X/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1525813966&sr=8-2&keywords=legal+resources+refugees \<-- meant more for the refugees, I think, but a useful checklist of things you may need to discuss with people

https://www.amazon.com/There-Goes-Neighborhood-Communities-Immigration/dp/1633883078/ref=sr_1_15?ie=UTF8&qid=1525813504&sr=8-15&keywords=american+law+refugees \<-- looks like it may be useful

https://www.amazon.com/dp/0826126685/ref=rdr_ext_tmb \<-- it looks like the profession most closely associated with what you described is social work, although it may not be called that, so this book may be helpful

Related to that, check out https://www.socialworkers.org/ \<-- why read a book when you can just find some experts and ask them a question? Yes, they'll talk to you. This is what they do for a living.

https://socialworklicensure.org/resources/social-work-organizations/ \<-- ditto

Again, I hope this helps. Thanks for trying to help other people. “No act of kindness, no matter how small, is ever wasted.” —Aesop.

There are all sorts of (((NGOS))) working round the clock to try to get Muslim refugees into America.

https://www.amazon.ca/Refugee-Resettlement-Hijra-America-Corcoran/dp/1508820708

While we haven't personally used this supplement, it is keyed to the authors of your casebook: https://www.amazon.com/Casenotes-Legal-Briefs-Immigration-Aleinikoff/dp/1454824638/ref=pd_sim_14_7?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=N6RHYE6EBG57DBDQE4NG.

I really need [this] (http://www.amazon.com/Punishing-Immigrants-Politics-Injustice-Perspectives/dp/0814749038/ref=wl_it_dp_v_nS_nC?ie=UTF8&colid=WSVM4EMIS9CY&coliid=IVPPBBXCIRHGV) book. It's for one of my classes. It's the only book I haven't purchased yet.

i haven't read it yet so i can't tell you whether it's any good or not, but Opening the Floodgates by Kevin R. Johnson advocates open borders. i'm really curious about it, too.

Actually, the jury is out in regards to economic cost vs benefits and the rate of education:

https://www.cbo.gov/publication/41645?index=8711

http://www.amazon.com/They-Take-Our-Jobs-Immigration/dp/0807041564#reader_0807041564

http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=881584

http://cis.org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.html

https://www.wmich.edu/hhs/newsletters_journals/jssw_institutional/individual_subscribers/39.4.Becerra.pdf

http://www.bloomberg.com/bw/stories/2006-04-06/econ-101-on-illegal-immigrantsbusinessweek-business-news-stock-market-and-financial-advice


Not to mention that you completely failed to address my points. Again, even if the figure is correct and the total cost is 113 billion, why is there a reason to give a shit about illegal immigration for the reasons you listed when there are gigantic problems with those domains that aren't caused by illegal immigration and are far more harmful to the average American? You realize that even $113 billion overall and $52 billion for education is a drop in the bucket, right? Or that a deportation program like Trump is proposing would cost even more money than the net loss incurred by illegal immigration if a net loss even exists? Why is this the reason you'll elect a president for when there are other gigantic issues facing America and Trump's deportation "plan" would cost untold amounts of money, bloat government offices, and cause some economic sectors to become unstable and negatively impact Americans? I don't even like illegal immigration, but it's just embarrassing to watch people get swept up in this rhetoric when our national security is threatened, our education system is shit, our middle class is shrinking, we're diplomatically in a fragile position, our prison system is an absolute mess, citizens have massive piles of personal debt, and our violent crime rate is abysmal compared to other industrialized nations. Oh but no, it's the people crossing the border and picking berries for dollars a day on the farms that are causing all the problems somehow, rather than systematic issues with American institutions and volatile foreign relations. It's simple for voters to understand and exploits their fear, so why not use it as a main campaigning point, I guess.

> Do you think it's a good thing to have a bunch of unemployed foreigners? Why?

They're in the country already, and if they are deported, we should deport them as families. Keeping them here is much prefferable to the way we deport them now.

> If you can't operate a profitable business without illegal labor, then you can't operate a profitable business. Plenty of other people manage to make it without cheating, if you can't then maybe being a business owner just isn't for you.

I would be perfectly fine with that, but it would also cost us jobs.

> Wage growth has been stagnant while productivity has gone up . The rise in inequality isn't because capitalists have suddenly become evil or greedy, they were always like that, and our laws haven't changed that much to allow for such a divergence. The only rational explanation is the flood of unskilled workers have pushed the wages down and stifled growth.

There are many reasons for that disparity, and for the most part, it isn't because of illeagal immigrants. It includes China taking our manufacturing jobs, automation, the vastly decreased power of unions(this is a HUGE factor), and the much higher pay given to top level employees.

> Just like every other president's policies, I doubt how Trump's tax plan is passed will be anything like how it looks now.

If he's defending a tax plan that most people know won't work, I still don't want to vote for him over someone whose tax plan is much better(but still relatively bad), like Hillary or Bernie.

> We would also lose the costs associated with them.

The cost may actually be lower than the benefit. Highly reccomend you read this book, it was very informative to me: http://smile.amazon.com/They-Take-Our-Jobs-Immigration/dp/0807041564

>Professor of Law Francine Lipman writes that the belief that illegal migrants are exploiting the US economy and that they cost more in services than they contribute to the economy is "undeniably false". Lipman asserts that "illegal immigrants actually contribute more to public coffers in taxes than they cost in social services" and "contribute to the U.S. economy through their investments and consumption of goods and services; filling of millions of essential worker positions resulting in subsidiary job creation, increased productivity and lower costs of goods and services; and unrequited contributions to Social Security, Medicare and unemployment insurance programs."

http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=881584

>Aviva Chomsky, a professor at Salem State College, states that "Early studies in California and in the Southwest and in the Southeast...have come to the same conclusions. Immigrants, legal and illegal, are more likely to pay taxes than they are to use public services. illegal immigrants aren't eligible for most public services and live in fear of revealing themselves to government authorities. Households headed by illegal immigrants use less than half the amount of federal services that households headed by documented immigrants or citizens make use of."

http://www.amazon.com/They-Take-Our-Jobs-Immigration/dp/0807041564#reader_0807041564

At worst I've heard they break even on taxes vs welfare, but then provide a net positive with respect to increased economic production which means more demand which means a healthier economy.

A lot of opinions added in that link while the studies don't show accuracy for what we are looking for, let alone, it's damn near impossible to be accurate when they are undocumented to begin with.

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Opinionated pieces creating flaws in the arguments

1. "Immigrants, legal and illegal, are more likely to pay taxes than they are to use public services. " Yea sure based on what? Was based on a book full of opinions without studies. Source - Amazon Book written by a Latin Historian.
   
   
2. "However, it is unclear how much benefit the average unauthorized immigrant household is eligible for" Unable to provide proper numbers on tax numbers let alone it doesn't accurately record how much taxes illegals pay well because *they aren't documented*.
   
   
3. Taxes paid by illegals - Like you can't be serious on this one. Beyond flawed when you just make guesses.
   
   Methodology
   
   While the spending and income behavior of undocumented immigrant families is not as well documented as that of US citizens, the estimates in this report represent a *best approximation of the taxes families headed by undocumented immigrants likely pay*.
   
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   I could go on for days but I think it would be pretty delusional to think you could accurately study on the benefits of illegals towards the economy when it comes to most portions mainly due to the fact you can't accurately record "undocumented" illegal immigrants.
   
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   What I will say is that it is a fact they impact our support systems and heavily impact our local states and cities to the areas of illegal immigration. Which with this information it is pretty clear they impact and slow down our progress to move forward.

That wasn't an ISIS flag you twit. That was a flag with Hebrew writing on it.

As to wetbacks, enjoy.

And "you"? Really? I'm not Israel. Or Israeli.

As to how asylum seekers are treated in the US, this is how asylum seekers are treated in the US. I guess you don't need to keep them from having babies using contraceptive (which by the way aren't "sterilization pills") when you can just slap them into single sex jails.

Can we pick where the refugees come from? I want to sponsor some Somalis/Eritreans and get refugee housing built in homogeneous upper class neighborhoods to help fight residential segregation and promote diversity and multiculturalism. The only way we can move past racism is to end residential segregation. Proximity breeds tolerance. I wish we could just pick a country of origin, pick a postal code where they will be placed, pay some cash, and have refugees shipped there like a letter bomb.

Edit: NGOs are already doing that. you can read about it in this book. It's about the refugee system in America but the Canadian system functions very much in the same way:
http://www.amazon.ca/Refugee-Resettlement-Hijra-America-Corcoran/dp/1508820708