Reddit reviews Lutron PD-5WS-DV-WH, Wireless In-Wall Switch, White

Lutron has a low amperage switch (5A limit) that does not require a neutral. It’s the PD-5 series (not the more common PD-6). Unfortunately they’re quite expensive.

https://www.amazon.com/Lutron-PD-5WS-DV-WH-Caseta-Wireless-Lighting/dp/B00NO7Z80S?crid=14TOD0X98DIW8&keywords=lutron+pd5wcl&qid=1540691480&sprefix=Lutron+pd5%2Caps%2C156&sr=8-6&ref=sr_1_6

Lutron's RF PD-5S-DV-WH and Caseta PD-5WS-DV-WH switches do not require a neutral for most applications.

Consider the Caseta dimmers and switches. They are quality pieces of hardware, and some models don't need a neutral to operate. They rob a tiny bit of power when off and on, and it does it in a way where most bulbs and appliances don't flicker or anything. I have an old house without neutrals almost everywhere and these things have been my silver bullet.

Here's a dimmer that doesn't need a neutral: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00KLAXFQA

And a switch: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00NO7Z80S

Be careful on which dimmers and switches you buy, as Lutron sells ones that require neutral connections that look exactly the same. Check the model numbers! Last I checked, Home Depot sells dimmers that work without neutrals, but the switches they sell do require them.

I have a three-way connection on my stairwell, and I just wire-nutted one side of the connection and put a Pico remote in its place. On the other side is a dimmer with no neutral.

You'll need a Caseta bridge to make these work, and I highly recommend the pro bridge. The non-pro one works, but it does some really hacky things to get it to talk with Home Assistant. Updates to it have broken things, too. The pro bridge provides a reliable telnet connection that also supports using Pico remotes as sensors and such.

If you decide to use the pro bridge, use this component: https://github.com/upsert/lutron-caseta-pro

Good luck!

Apparently some Caseta switches do. I didn't know this. Some don't though.

This one does not: https://smile.amazon.com/Lutron-PD-5WS-DV-WH-Caseta-Wireless-Lighting/dp/B00NO7Z80S?sa-no-redirect=1

This one will control off/on state, but not speed. Don't use the Caseta Dimmer model, as it won't work. https://www.amazon.com/Lutron-PD-5WS-DV-WH-Switch-Wireless-Lighting/dp/B00NO7Z80S/ref=sr_1_9?s=lamps-light&ie=UTF8&qid=1474586308&sr=1-9&keywords=lutron+caseta

Sorry, you are right, that is the wrong caseta switch. The pro version does not require a neutral.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00NO7Z80S/ref=psdcmw_6291359011_t1_B017LRCG38

http://www.lutron.com/en-US/Pages/SupportCenter/Support.aspx?modelNumber=PD-5WS-DV&SECTION=Documents

https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00NO7Z80S/ref=ox_sc_saved_image_1?smid=A27U5ZM1ERPBP4&psc=1

Edit to add: if you’ve got several switches you want to replace it may be cheaper to get dimmer switches and new bulbs.

For the same price as 2 of these switches you can get 2 dimmers and a 16 pack of dimmable bulbs

Lutron PD-5WS-DV-WH Caseta Wireless 5 Amp Lighting and 3 Amp Fan RF On/Off Light Switch, White https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00NO7Z80S/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_-Sg7Ab8RP8M9Z

The dimmers go from Off (0% brightness) to On (100% brightness) in discrete increments. If you need an on/off switch that doesn't require a neutral, then take a look at this Caseta switch. Dependent on your lighting, you may have to use a minimum load capacitor (provided with the switch).

This version does not require a neutral wire: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00NO7Z80S/ref=sxbs_sxwds-stvpv2_2?pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_p=6375e697-f226-4dbd-a63a-5ec697811ee1&pd_rd_wg=9oR2m&pf_rd_r=KV3RC57B2ZYK24SD4QJJ&pf_rd_s=desktop-sx-bottom-slot&pf_rd_t=301&pd_rd_i=B00NO7Z80S&pd_rd_w=Wixqj&pf_rd_i=lutron+caseta+switch+no+neutral&pd_rd_r=434a6c78-33e0-4242-9011-d81893c71658&ie=UTF8&qid=1543564774&sr=2

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https://www.amazon.com/Lutron-PD-5WS-DV-WH-Caseta-Wireless-Lighting/dp/B00NO7Z80S

I also have 40+ bulbs running halogen and LED bulbs on the Caseta dimmers. Saying it only works for incandescent is about as wrong as saying fire isn't hot.

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These are it if I'm not mistaken, expensive but Lutron Caseta is rock solid in my experience

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00NO7Z80S/ref=ox_sc_saved_title_5?smid=A1GAF1H4JQJZXC&psc=1

As far as I am aware the dimmers will work weather you have a neutral or not. As for the non dimmer you need a specific model that doesn't need neutral. The PD-5WS-DV switch.

Just be sure whatever switch you use is not a dimmer. A dimmer is not supposed to be attached to a fan. It can burn out your fan motor or worse, start a fire. Here's the one I used for my fan: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00NO7Z80S/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_Jv3-BbYZZCWW0

Then I used a regular caseta dimmer to control only the light portion. So now I have a 2 gang box, but I can control both individually. Unfortunately that caseta switch is insanely expensive. I was able to get it for $61 a few months ago. You might have better luck googling that model and buying it from a specialty electrical supply store.

I believe this one is an on/off switch that does not require a neutral.

They're not all dimmers. However, the on/off switches are MORE expensive than the dimmers: https://www.amazon.com/Lutron-PD-5WS-DV-WH-Caseta-Wireless-Lighting/dp/B00NO7Z80S

Thanks .. its really expensive lol

https://www.amazon.com/Lutron-PD-5WS-DV-WH-Caseta-Wireless-Lighting/dp/B00NO7Z80S

But if there are no other options, looks like im going with this. I'm about to buy the Lutron Caseta $99 kit (with the hub) -- but im still making sure its the right purchase and lutron hub can be integrated with ST hub.