(Part 2) Best telescopes according to redditors
We found 969 Reddit comments discussing the best telescopes. We ranked the 225 resulting products by number of redditors who mentioned them. Here are the products ranked 21-40. You can also go back to the previous section.
If you would like to see a comparison of an image taken with a camera 10x the price, here is a comparison of an image I took of the moon with the same telescope and a 7D Mark II
There are a few things that could have been done differently to achieve a better image on the left, however, I was looking to capture the image using the same techniques. Additionally, the main method to achieve a better image with the 7D Mark II requires third party software that isn't free so I wanted to get just a comparison with an out of box 7D Mark II.
I should also note that the ASI120MC is made for photography like this, the 7D Mark II is not. For deep space photography, the DSLR would win 9 times out of 10. Just mainly a comparison to show that the most expensive camera is not always the best tool for the job.
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They said elsewhere the total cost they put into it is actually about $400
Edit: and it was that low because they got this telescope for $250. Its a great picture with a very misleading title.
https://www.amazon.com/Meade-Instruments-Coma-Free-Telescope-0810-90-03/dp/B002AK4N74
Hi /r/pics!
I enjoy building stuff, and this won’t be my last telescope--I have three more planned over the next few years, plus a shipping container observatory! The last two times, I got a ton of questions (which I love to answer), but I’ll hit the most common questions that were asked on the previous telescopes:
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How much did it cost to make?
It’s difficult to put a number on it. More than $1000, less than $2000, but there were so many small components and wasted materials it’s hard to say exactly. The optics (primary mirror, secondary mirror, spider combo) I picked up for $600 from eBay two years ago, which was a steal at twice the price. I used around $100 worth of plywood, about $80 of steel for the mirror cell, about $60 worth of plastics for the baffles and bearings, about $60 of aluminum for trusses...and I forgot how much I paid for the focuser, maybe $70? I’m also not counting wasted materials (wood, plastics, aluminum that I screwed up), which is probably in the $200-$500 range.
Also, I had to learn to weld (with help from /r/welding) in order to make the mirror cell, and bought all the welding equipment, which put me back a few hundred. However, I’ll be using that in the future, so I’m not counting that as a material cost.
If this were a professionally made dobsonian from a company like Obsession Telescopes, it would be worth around $6000.
How much does it weigh?
The entire assembly is 85 lb. The heaviest part by far is the mirror box (the thing with handles), which is a 26 lb. mirror (a 1.68” thick slab of glass), 11 lb. of steel, and 24 lb. of wood. Next time, I’m going to make the mirror cell detachable from the box so I can walk more than 30 feet before having to set it down. :P
How do you transport it?
It breaks into components (secondary cage, trusses, mirror box, rocker box, base) and can store in the back of a hatchback. It’s just a little bit too big for my Civic, but I was planning on trading up to a hatchback next month anyway because transporting lumber and raw materials is starting to put some serious nicks in the upholstery in the back seat of my Civic.
How long did it take you to build?
I began drafting the project back in January, with most of my serious design work in the spring. I welded the mirror cell in May, worked and reworked the design off and on through the summer, and did the final stretch of construction and finishing in September.
Can you take pictures with it?
Not really, at least not without another platform that I’m going to build. I have some DSLR cameras I picked up off of eBay (at an INSANE PRICE, I got a Canon D60 and Canon 20D, no lenses or batteries, for $80!!). The camera mounts right onto the scope, and I will be trying astrophotography. However, the full moon is a few tens of thousands of times brighter than the Orion Nebula, which requires around 30 second exposures to pick up anything at all. The problem is, the sky moves about a quarter of the way out of frame over 30 seconds, so all you get is a blur. It needs a tracking mount (called an “equatorial platform”) to stay fixed to a certain spot in the sky, and I’m in the process of designing and building one now.
What’s the focal length and focal ratio of the mirror?
Honestly, I don’t really know, the eBay auction is expired and I bought the optics two years ago. I think it was 2000mm, but once I used the jig to measure the optimal distance between the secondary mirror and the primary mirror, I went with that and didn’t bother going back to calculate the FL.
What should I do if I’m interested in astronomy but don’t have a huge budget?
First, subscribe to /r/astronomy!!
My advice is to get a mini-dob like this one. Some people will advise binoculars, but I disagree; a mini-dob is much easier to handle and you don’t have to deal with hand jitter. After you’ve found a bunch of Messier objects and want more, get an 8-inch classic dobsonian like this one.
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Head over to /r/telescopes and read the stickied thread over there. Great community. You may find a particular need will lead you to a certain telescope, but for purely visual observing, it's hard to beat a dobsonian reflector. Dobs are often called "light buckets" because the primary mirror is large and can collect a lot of light, making for better views. Don't even think about astrophotography because it's way too damn expensive.
The cheapest dob worth buying is the $200 AWB OneSky. It's a collapsible tabletop scope with a 5" primary mirror. Another scope of the same size and price is the Zhumell Z130. Zhumell is a respected dob maker, and I haven't heard many reviews of the Z130, but it won the "best telescope value" award for 2016. It's slightly less portable, but that portability requires a little bit of setup, so the choice is kind of just about your personal situation.
With a telescope like one of those, you will be able to see all the planets (Uranus and Neptune will appear just as blueish dots), Saturn's rings and moons, and Jupiter's moons and great red spot (in good seeing conditions).
You will be able to watch the moon in great detail, and see galaxies - Andromeda will look like this, nebula - Orion will look like this, and star clusters - M13 will look like this, all depending on seeing conditions.
If you can afford an 8" dob telescope, you will be able to collect 250% as much light as with a 5" telescope, and will get better results. Again, Zhumell is a good manufacturer. The Z8 is $400 and often considered the best value for an 8" dob because of the good accessories.
If you are ok buying used, you may be able to get a lightly used 8" for the price of a new 5". I got this collapsible 8" telescope for $250 lightly used. I once saw an 8" go for $100, but the person selling didn't know what they had.
Here is a picture that I took last week. My son and I set up in the town center and invited people to look at Saturn and its rings and moons.
Good times.
And adds a link to basically a $2k telescope he/she bought for $250 with no indication how
Grabbing "meade-8inch-lx90-acf-computerized-telescope" from his URL, this is what I find https://www.amazon.com/Meade-Instruments-0810-90-03-Coma-Free-Telescope/dp/B002AK4N74
Hello :-)
Telescopes aren't better or worse for observing "distance". In fact, binoculars can see galaxies much further away than anything in the solar system; And even with the naked eye, under truly dark skies, you can see the Andromeda Galaxy.
As a rule of thumb, a larger aperture will show more. It can show fainter structures, and has a higher resolution.
Here are links on what to expect with different telescope aperture sizes.
If you can stretch your budget a little more, you can get a used/refurbished 6" dobsonian:
New and for $200 or less, the Zhumell z130 is the best deal. It's sometimes on sale for $179/$189. There's also the Meade Lightbridge Mini 130 and the AWB Onesky. The closed tube telescopes have contrast benefits and better focusers, but the OneSky is a great compact telescope despite it's quirks.
The 6" dobsonian is high enough to observe seated or standing. The 5" table tops require something to put them on (e.g. the $19 Ikea step-stool Bekväm).
The 6" also has a longer focal length, resulting in an F/8 aperture ratio. The table-top telescope's F/5 aperture ratio result in a lower contrast (larger obstruction, coma, mirror parabolization requirements).
 
Telescopes with tripod are available, but are usually too weak, making focusing and tracking tedious. A good equatorial mount can cost more than the telescope it's supposed to carry.
E.g. there's the Meade Polaris 130eq for $150-$180. The telescope itself is similar to the mentioned 130mm table-top dobsonians. Stability is already an issue. A better mount for it would cost $250 or so (neq3/cg4/skyview).
Avoid all 150/1400, 114/1000 and 127/1000 telescopes (Astromaster 114, Powerseeker 127eq for example). These are flawed "bird-jones" telescopes; Easy to identify as they are much shorter than their focal length, as they have a flawed spherical mirror of short focal length and a corrector lens that often makes things worse. Also the Celestron Astromaster 130eq has a spherical mirror resulting in spherical aberration and thus is not recommended.
Some smaller refractors (3"-4") are available in this price range as well and do not suffer the stability issues. But they show significantly less. The shorter ones (e.g. Infinity 102az) also will show chromatic aberration when observing at higher magnification (planets), thus reducing the contrast.
TL;DR: 6" dobsonian or z130/mini130/Onesky
Stars are never more than points of light in all amateur telescopes, so even if you aimed a scope at them, they're going to look just like they do to the naked eye, just brighter. The exception from your examples being Castor, which is a nice double star that only a telescope will resolve. A number of stars are double stars, often appearing as a blue/gold pair that look very nice in telescopes. These are always interesting to see in light pollution. The challenge is finding them since you don't have many stars visible as a reference to aim the scope. A few stars are deep red carbon stars, but will require modest aperture (at least 8") to easily spot amongst light pollution.
As far as other objects are concerned, a few will be visible in a telescope.
Star clusters (open clusters and globular clusters) are good targets in light pollution since the brightness of stars increases with the square of the aperture, whereas light pollution does not (light pollution through a telescope can never look worse than it does to the naked eye). In fact, by using high magnification against many globular clusters, you can dim the light pollution without dimming the stars. This increases contrast, which makes them easier to see. By increasing magnification, you drop the exit pupil, which in turn makes all objects with a surface area dimmer (the moon, planets, galaxies, nebulae, and light pollution). But optical point sources like stars, are not affected by exit pupil, only by aperture. An 8" telescope will make stars 816 times brighter than the naked eye shows them, but light pollution will never get brighter.
A few planetary nebulae will be visible in light pollution. They are bright, but small, and require modest magnification to see easily. An O-III filter can help them stand out more since these kinds of nebulae strongly emit light in the O-III part of the spectrum. A select few are bright enough that an O-III might not be needed.
Many other nebulae will also be visible with line filters like O-III and Hydrogen Beta filters. Reflection nebulae will not, however.
Most galaxies will be invisible. They are full spectrum objects whose light cannot be isolated from light pollution with a filter. Since most galaxies have low surface brightness, they are easily lost even in modest amounts of light pollution. The Andromeda Galaxy's core will be visible as a faint smudge through a telescope.
Because galaxies and nebulae have a surface area, they get dimmer with increased magnification, the same way light pollution does. So you cannot use the same trick you use on star clusters to increase their contrast. The only way to increase contrast of emission nebulae and planetary nebulae is with a UHC/narrowband, O-III filter, or H-Beta filter. If you did get a scope, I would recommend buying a good quality UHC/narrowband, then O-III, and then an H-Beta filter (in that order, as funds allow). The key is good quality though. Cheap UHC/narrowband filters behave more like broadband filters, and do a poor job of isolating the light from emission and planetary nebulae. Expect to pay $80-100 for a quality filter.
Planets are unaffected by light pollution, and even a small aperture (3" to 6") can reveal far more than the naked eye or binoculars can. However, viewing detail on the planets requires a decent quality telescope, and favorable viewing conditions.
Telescopes I would recommend to get started
Specifically I recommend avoiding all Celestron PowerSeekers and AstroMasters. They are very, very poor quality.
I also recommend avoiding all refractors. They are extremely overpriced for how much aperture you get, often come on wobbly mounts, have poor focusers, and exhibit chromatic aberration (unless you spend a couple thousand on a nice one), which will seriously rob planetary contrast. Newtonian reflectors with parabolic mirrors on Dobsonian mounts are by far the most cost-effective way to get decent aperture, and aperture is what will best resolve double stars, make star clusters brighter, show planetary and lunar detail, and allow you to use decent magnification against small planetary nebulae.
There aren't a lot of good scopes in that range. Perhaps the Meade lightbridge mini 114, but I'm not sure if that's the best option. If you can stretch your budget a little, the lightbridge mini 130 wouldn't be a bad deal. For planetary views, every bit of aperture helps.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B01C5TG53Y
First of all, let me say welcome. So far the responses have been fairly good polite, but I'd like to warn you that there are occasionally some responses to a question like this that are less friendly, particularly since we have a fairly detailed sticky post to discuss first scopes.
But don't fear, we all started at the bottom and had to learn. And if you're new to telescopes, there's tons of stuff you don't even know that you don't know, ya know?
Ok, now, my first recommendation before you buy a telescope is always to join a local club or society, if there's one near you (which, odds are, there is). Judging from the link you posted, I'm guessing you're in the US. Nearly all large and medium-sized cities have at least one club nearby. If you need help locating one, let me know where you are and I can check some references. Even outside of the US, particularly in "developed" nations, you'll find them in most larger cities and communities, and even a lot of less developed and downright poor nations have them. There's something about the stars that draws us in.
Most clubs in the US, Canada, Europe, and other developed countries conduct fairly frequent star parties. A star party is an event where those who have them bring out their telescopes and everyone spends the night under the stars observing. In a lot o clubs, this is a great way for new members to learn more about telescopes before they buy. At my club's star parties, you'll find anything from small 4.5" and 80 mm scopes to a 36" Dob that takes a sizable trailer to haul around. Most amateur astronomers are more than happy to let you look and to tell you all about their equipment (some won't shut up about it - a category I sometimes fall into). This all gets you exposure to the equipment so you can better understand what meets your needs and budget. As a bonus, members of clubs often end up swapping/selling/buying equipment among each other. I've gotten several pieces of equipment that way, from eyepieces, to a couple scopes, to my main equatorial GoTo mount. You'll usually find that the equipment is well-cared for and often the price is very, very reasonable.
Next, as to this scope you are looking at... The optics themselves aren't particularly bad. Orion sells some pretty good scopes, and even their low-end stuff is usually reasonable, if not great. This scope could provide you with some fairly decent views, particularly if you're in or near a fairly dark-sky observing site.
But where this scope goes wrong is the mount. It's not the fact that it's an equatorial mount (While they are a little harder to get used to, I don't see that as a real problem for most people). The problem with this mount is that it's very unstable. It's very light, with thin legs and little mass. These EQ-1 style mounts tend to shake, jitter, and wobble really badly. Whenever you touch it to adjust position or focus, you have to wait for the wobble to settle. If it's even a little bit breezy, the mount may never settle down enough to get a decent view through. When you add that to the fact that you DO have to polar align it, it makes this mount seem a really poor idea.
The same scope is available on a simple alt-az mount (these kinds of mount are often, incorrectly, referred to as Dobsonians, but are really just simple alt-az mounts) which is a far more steady platform, as well as being much quicker to set up and use. While this variant needs a table or stool to set it on, but it's so much more steady and quick to set up as to make it totally worthwhile.
Though it's often joked about, there's a good reason the overall recommendation for a beginner is a Dobsonian. They are much easier to use and they offer the best price per inch of aperture value. With this in mind, the person who suggested the AWB OneSky is right-on. It has a larger aperture and a much more sturdy mount for the same price. The suggestion of the Orion XT6 is also a better option for a little more. Meade has been selling their Lightbridge Mini 114 for under $150 lately. It's a very similar tube tot he Starblast 4.5, but on the simple alt-az mount. But, of course, a larger scope will show you more.
Again, before you buy, I'd look into a club so you get a better understanding of what you're getting... then, armed with that knowledge, you can make an informed choice.
Good luck and clear skies.
I agree. Here's what I did with the blank corner in my room The fake plant was $40 from Ikea, the telescope was from Amazon and on a clear night you can see the rings of Saturn. Sort of ties the outside with the inside.
Edit* I guess to go further, the painting is entitled "Building" by Joe Lloyd in Los Angeles and the globe is from Amazon as well, but more notably recognized from the Mike Myers scene in Inglorious Basterds
Hi! So I'm sure you guys must get a lot of dumb questions so I'm sorry if I'm being annoying. My husband recently bought me a telescope for my birthday and I have absolutely no idea what I'm doing to be honest lol. The telescope is a Celestron 114LCM Newtonian computerized telescope, Amazon link is https://www.amazon.com/Celestron-114LCM-Computerized-Telescope-Black/dp/B0036GNNCC . I've managed to align it by myself, with the little scope thing, excuse my normie vocabulary, but I haven't aligned it with the remote since I don't really need it because I have a star map and I can spot out planets and stars quickly. Now, I was able to see the moon with it and it was a crystal clear image. Now, when I moved over to Mars, the image up there is what I saw. I had no idea what was going on, I also tried moving to Jupiter and a few stars and saw the same thing. Am I supposed to do something else to the telescope? Are these planets too far away for me to see? I also don't understand why I see the reflection of the center piece. I'd appreciate the help!
> I'll be picking up this one: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Orion-SkyQuest-Classic-Dobsonian-Telescope-x/dp/B001DJ4FEE
No, save yourself 100 quid and get the better one! Behold: Sky-Watcher Skyliner 250PX. Same size, better in all regards. Also possibly faster delivery.
As for accessories, you'll definitely want a planetary eyepiece (a 6mm "gold line" should be enough for starters), a collimation tool, and maybe a replacement for the 10mm kit eyepiece (a 9mm "gold-line" will do great here too).
Paging /u/schorhr for the eyepiece links! He has the best deals saved on his notepad :)
Celestron - 114LCM Computerized Newtonian Telescope - Telescopes for Beginners - 2 Eyepieces - Full-Height Tripod - Motorized Altazimuth Mount - Large 114mm Newtonian Reflector https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0036GNNCC/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_VE31DbFBR9TQB
I want to add we should all do this for everyone on this thread if any one of us is the winner! Good shit OP 👍🏻
You will be able to observe it's surface colors with a very cheap telescope like this one.
Source: I own one.
A 10" telescope will set you back $630.
Taken using a Celestron NexImage Burst Color set into the eyepiece of a Celestron 114 LCM using the software iCap with all settings set to automatic. This is a collage of fourteen 1280x720 image stacks created from a 15-minute video. Started going insane trying to get the color matching perfect but this was my first attempt at a collage.
How close are these open field areas? If you're driving how much room is available in the vehicle for the telescope? To start you off here are my two top suggestions:
Orion XT8 plus
Celestron Nexstar 127SLT
Giant wall of text incoming. Feel free to pm me for skype, irc, or hangout info and we can talk more in depth if you have questions.
The thing that always wows people the first time they look through a decent telescope is Saturn. All of the sudden its not a point of light. Its a disk with ears. Kids and adults alike are always astounded. Many people think its fake it looks so cool.
Astronomy is the study of space. Astrology is the belief that the position of the stars and planets determines or explains personality traits.
The first thing you have to decide when buying a telescope is what you want to do with it. Do you want to use it for visual astronomy or astrophotography? If you want to take hubble style deep sky images then you will need to spend in the 1000s of dollars to start. If you want to do visual observing then you can spend as little as $150 and on up to 1000s+.
Next thing to decide is if you want something computer guided or manually guided. Computer guided will cost more but you wont be relying on your brain as much. Manual guided scopes will be cheaper but you will need to invest in charts and books more.
Things to know about all telescopes:
Resolving power is dependant on the size of the apature or main mirror. This is kind of like megapixles on a camera. The bigger your opening the more light you can collect and the better resolution you'll have.
Magnification is the x rating (100x etc). It will let you know how big you can make something. These numbers are usually exaggerated. It's a mathematical function based on the focal length of the telescope divided by the focal length of the eyepiece. Useful magnification will be based on the resolving power of the scope (based on mirror/aperture size) and the sky conditions. Think of having a low res picture then blowing it up. It gets all distorted and pixelated. That is kind of what will happen if you over-magnify a small telescope with a small aperture.
Now we can discuss the pros and cons of different designs.
Refractors: This is what most people think of when they think of a telescope. They are made of lenses. Glass or plastic, depending on the cost/quality. They are generally heavier and more expensive than other types of telescopes. They are fairly low maintenance and can be some of the best or worst telescopes out there.
Reflectors: These use mirrors instead of lenses. They are generally bulkier than other types of telescopes, but dollar for dollar there is no better way to get a large aperture. They can be a little finicky, requiring collimation (A Process that makes sure a circle looks like a circle and not an oval).
Catadioptric: Combines lens and mirrors. Generally maintenance free, lighter than refractors and less bulky than reflectors. These are good all around telescopes, but aren't generally great at any one thing.
Scope choice is important based on how you plan on using it. If you dread lugging around a big scope and setting it up, you'll never use it. If you're like me, and live in a light polluted area, you will travel with your telescope a lot. You need to make sure it fits in your trunk.
All of that being said this is an excellent beginer telescope that is fairly cheap. With it, you will be able to count craters on the moon, see the rings of Saturn, see cloud bands on Jupiter, and get into some deep sky objects like some of the brighter star clusters and galaxies and nebulas.
If you're interested this is an album of some of my astrophotography.
Clear skies.
Can you stretch to £175? For that you can get the cheapest scope that isn't just a toy - the Meade Lightbridge Mini 114mm.
If you can't stretch that, the Orion Funscope or Celestron Firstscope or the smaller Meade Lightbridges will give decent moon view and you might be able to make out the Galilean Moons of Jupiter, but that's about it... those scopes are still really just toys.
If you can wait until you've got £200 available, you can actually get the most affordable scopes that will grow with your kid and maybe even last him a lifetime - the Skywatcher Heritage P130 or the Meade Lightbridge 130.
Hope that helps.
I had an 8" dobsonian when I was a little older than you, it's no problem.
>I can't buy AWB telescope since my parent's don't seem to trust the site.
lame. No worries, just buy the other version:
https://www.amazon.com/Zhumell-Portable-Altazimuth-Reflector-Telescope/dp/B07BRLSVWM
Light pollution filters can help with viewing certain things, personally I have never tried one but I would spend the money on eyepieces first.
Go ask on /r/telescopes You will get better answers there.
Though the usual answers are
AWB OneSky
Zhumell Z130
Arpertura DT6
I'm a bit of a newbie here myself, so take my opinion with a grain of salt.
The telescope you link to isn't necessarily bad, but I think it's too expensive for what you're getting. Check this out:
The Meade Polaris 130 EQ (Amazon.com)
The Meade Polaris 130 EQ is quite a bit cheaper ($240CAD I believe) than the model you listed. The Meade 130 also has an Equatorial Mount, which can be a lot easier to use than the Altazimuth Mount that the Celestron 130 AZ has (the AZ in the model name refers to the type of mount). It also comes with three eye pieces of varying powers, and the aperture is the same in both telescopes.
I wish I would've bought something like the Meade Polaris 130 for my first telescope! Instead I somehow ended up spending more money on a less powerful telescope.
I looked at some of the other models on that page but none of them stand out to me, especially when compared to the bargain that you can get on the Meade Polaris 130 EQ.
Hope this helps!
This is what you need: a Canon-fit to M42 threaded ring, and then M42 thread to 1.25" adapter. There are many manufacturers. Gosky is generally considered "cheap crap" by many people but this is such a simple part, it doesn't really matter. I have one for my Nikon and it works fine.
https://www.amazon.com/Gosky-Telescope-Adapter-T-mount-Cameras/dp/B013DID11A/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1503500209&sr=1-1&keywords=gosky+canon+m42
A barn-door tracker is typically used for cameras with lenses rather than telescopes. It might be more frustrating than it is worth to use the telescope on a barn door tracker... or for photography in general. I've built one, and have been able to to get decent exposures with a 100mm focal length lens for around 1:30-2min manually turning it, but at higher focal lengths (yours is 700mm) tracking errors become more noticeable. So if you have a DSLR already, just try using that for photography to start with. The milky way is full of great wide-field targets.
I just started with the stargazing hobby a month ago with a cheap $120 reflector (https://www.amazon.com/Celestron-21045-Equatorial-PowerSeeker-Telescope/dp/B0000Y8C2Y/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1485796129&sr=8-2&keywords=114mm+eq).
I did enough research and know full well it's no where near the level of telescopes the folks at /r/astrophotography use. But you know what? It didn't matter. Just being able to see some of the little things in space close-up was enough to really make me want to invest in this hobby. Seeing the Orion Nebula close-up, the Andromeda Galaxy, and the crescent of Venus, and even the moon craters all for the first time felt amazing and rather humbling. I mean all those things have always been there but I've never bothered to really absorb it until now. Mind you I live in a Bortle 9 region, but I've already planned trips down to a Bortle 2 zone just a couple hours from me and I am super excited.
Hi - I can get this with StarSense and Wifi options for just at $3200. Am I going to notice significant difference between a 8" diffraction limited Schmidt-Cassegrain telescope vs a 9.25" or 11"? Thoughts please?
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https://www.amazon.com/Celestron-StarBright-Schmidt-Cassegrain-2350mm-Telescope/dp/B000ARFND2/ref=sr_1_3?keywords=CPC%2B925%2BGPS%2B(XLT)%2BComputerized%2BTelescope&qid=1564818140&s=electronics&sr=1-3&th=1
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https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07TQM8P9M/ref=ox_sc_act_title_2?smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER&psc=1
You can definitely get a nice hobbyist telescope for a reasonable to semireasonable amount of money. I don't know much about brands so definitely don't take this as buying advice, but here are two consumer telescopes at opposite ends of the price range for that market.
https://www.amazon.com/Orion-SpaceProbe-Equatorial-Reflector-Telescope/dp/B00D05BKOW
https://www.amazon.com/Celestron-StarBright-Schmidt-Cassegrain-2800mm-Telescope/dp/B000ARFND2
Hello! So I've picked up astronomy a while ago and I love it. I have a decent telescope, but I would like to move to more professional and capable equipment. I want to get into planetary astrophotography. I have tried to do research on what equipment is best for me, but looking at all these mounts, telescope types, camera types, I just can't figure out what the best options for me are.
I have been looking at this Celestron telescope and I think it's a good one. But I need to make sure it's a good choice before I spend my money on it.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000ARFND2/ref=ox_sc_act_title_4?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER
I have also been reading up on cameras and it seems that DSLR's are a good choice, although I am not sure which model I should get. If you guys think DSRL's aren't suitable for astrophotography and that I should get a different camera, please let me know.
I guess what I'm asking here is for your recommendations on a complete set of equipment (telescope, mount, wedge, camera, etc.) that is going to be optimal for crisp and clear planetary and lunar photography. My budget is ~$3,000 but I wouldn't mind paying a bit more if it were worth it!
Thanks!
Hey! Thanks for the reply :) I dont really care about Photography yet and would rather just do visual. Id love to get it but I imagine the weight and size being a big problem in moving it (30KG).
What about a [Celestron Nexstar6SE] (https://www.amazon.de/gp/aw/d/B000GUKTDM/ref=mp_s_a_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1496282160&sr=8-2&pi=AC_SX236_SY340_FMwebp_QL65&keywords=celestron&dpPl=1&dpID=31eM8Sy0kFL&ref=plSrch&th=1&psc=1) ? How inferior is it compared to a 8inch dob?
I can see most of that stuff with my Astromaster 114EQ. However, the deeper objects like nebulae and M31 need a better scope to make out more detail. With mine they just look like spots with fuzz around them. If you want to see these, go for aperture.
Argentina eh? Is that 570 American Dollars?
Good looking scope.
Do you have dark skies where you are? I started off with a Celestron 130mm, but I live in San Jose, CA (which has bad sky pollution), so sold it for a smaller 90mm Mak. In city areas, I think 90mm Maks or (or small Dobs) are the way to go. Easy set up.
But this is a personal preference (I have no patience for those EQ mounts! It took me three trips from my room to the drive way to set everything up. Then you have to align it, etc.)
Get this while it lasts:
http://www.amazon.com/Celestron-31045-AstroMaster-Reflector-Telescope/dp/B000MLL6RS/ref=sr_1_16?s=photo&ie=UTF8&qid=1279354330&sr=1-16
It has a 130mm mirror and only costs 223.19. Free shipping.
With that price point it's pretty hard. here are some options that you may want to consider, http://www.amazon.com/Celestron-21037-PowerSeeker-70EQ-Telescope/dp/B001592LFC/ref=sr_1_18?ie=UTF8&qid=1462242322&sr=8-18&keywords=telescope
http://www.amazon.com/Meade-Instruments-Infinity-Refractor-Telescope/dp/B00LY8JVZC/ref=sr_1_16?ie=UTF8&qid=1462242120&sr=8-16&keywords=telescope
Also, if you pick him up a new telescope, depending on what you spend within your budget, you might want to get him an eyepiece to go with it. Or even a moon filter since I'm sure that will be one of his main targets living in a high-rise in downtown Chicago. I hope this helps.
$100 enjoy!
This was taken with a Dobsonian scope, large but cheaper -- good bang for the buck but not very portable. Looks like prices have gone up since I bought it in 2011, I paid $529 from Amazon. This one: http://www.amazon.com/Orion-8946-SkyQuest-Dobsonian-Telescope/dp/B001DJ4FEE/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1395592101&sr=8-4&keywords=dobsonian+telescope+xt10
A friend of mine has one of these monsters:
http://www.amazon.com/Orion-8946-SkyQuest-Dobsonian-Telescope/dp/B001DJ4FEE/ref=sr_1_1?s=photo&ie=UTF8&qid=1396383050&sr=1-1&keywords=orion+xt10
The term "light bucket" gets bandied around, and these dobsonians are certainly that. Even the smaller ones.
They're not super portable, but for beginning back yard stargazing, it would be hard to go wrong with one of these.
You can get a pretty darn decent 10" Dobsonian for far less than that. For instance - here's one for $500.
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I would recommend an 8-inch dobsonian. You will see the planets very nicely in them, and you'll be able to see deep sky objects at a dark sky location.
You won't be able to do much astrophotography with this though, because dobsonians can't track, you could buy a GoTo dobsonian, which are more expensive but will move to and track an object as long as it is aligned.
A new 8 inch dobsonian from Orion is currently $400 on Amazon.
But keep in mind, when viewing deep sky objects, you won't see beautiful, colorful nebula like you do in pictures. It will appear grey, and you will see less detail. The pictures you see from people's telescopes are stacked and post-processed, bringing out colors and making it look nicer.
Also, go to /r/telescopes, which is a subreddit made for the stuff you're looking for .
Haven't used that one, but it's 5.1 inch, so that's plenty big enough to see Saturn. Good eyepieces are key, though, to getting a good image. I had a cheap Meade 4 inch and it did okay. The model you link to included 1.25" eyepieces, so that's a good start. I haven't been into that stuff in years, though, so I don't know what else is available on the market.
EDIT: This one might be a better choice: http://www.amazon.com/Orion-Classic-Dobsonian-Telescope-Beginner/dp/B003ZDEUS2
Get an Orion XT8. Big enough to see cool shit, small enough to be transportable. That'll cost you 350, or 400 bucks if you get the version with a barlow lens. Barlows are great for planet viewing, as they make everything 2x bigger.
Too bad you didn't post this a couple of weeks ago. I got my XT8 + Barlow kit for $369. Now it's $420.
Thanks for the writeup.
I'm looking at a 8" Dobsonian.
I like the collapsible feature. I have a Celestron 102 now, and its footprint with tripod open is a bit much in my living room.
How do you like your dobsonian? I'm currently debating buying this Sky-Watcher 8" Dobsonian as my first telescope (hopefully of many) but I haven't been able to get a handle on whether this is a good deal or not in terms of price, brand, or whether a dobsonian is good for a "starter" telescope.
So it sounds like 8" Dobsonian and a little learning is the best way to go. Thoughts on this one:
http://www.amazon.com/Sky-Watcher-8-Collapsible-Dobsonian-Telescope/dp/B004Q78OII/ref=sr_1_1?s=photo&ie=UTF8&qid=1449087907&sr=1-1&keywords=8%22+Dobsonian&refinements=p_85%3A2470955011
Awesome! I got this one for myself for Christmas. :)
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Thanks for the contest
I really really want it! ( $5 and $10
http://www.amazon.com/CELESTRON-Powerseeker-50-Refractor-Telescope/dp/B0000UMLYI/
Thanks for answering my question!
I have a low grade refactor telescope.
https://www.amazon.com/Celestron-PowerSeeker-50-Refractor-Telescope/dp/B0000UMLYI/ref=sr_1_6?ie=UTF8&qid=1503083358&sr=8-6&keywords=celestron+telescope
Wow I hadn't thought of that... So something like this?
Definitely seems do-able and within my budget. Certainly a lot less complicated than setting up a true lens relay.
I might be able to get a used Celestron 21045 D-114mm F-900mm from someone in my area, any opinions on this "used couple times" telescope locally?
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"Celestron number 21045 D-114mm F-900mm coated optics this is what is on the side of it only used couple times"
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Sounds like it might be this thing, though idk about the D part of what he described.
https://www.amazon.com/Celestron-21045-Equatorial-PowerSeeker-Telescope/dp/B0000Y8C2Y
That’s not much of a discount... Celestron 21045 114mm Equatorial PowerSeeker EQ Telescope https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0000Y8C2Y/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_WWTuDbY5SFQAH
Not entirely sure which exact model they’re trying to sell you but that was fairly common amongst the 114 line for celestron.
For that money I would just purchase new since you’d at least be able to return without much consequence if something didn’t work as intended: that being said for another $100 and a little time to save it you could get yourself into something like a heritage 130p, which is a tabletop dobsonian. The astronomers without borders onesky is an identical scope, both come highly recommended as great beginner budget scopes.
If you were to buy the celestron scope, I would take the time to watch a YouTube video on collimation and eq alignment. The dobsonian model is more of a “point and look” mount, where the EQ takes some finesse to set up.
It's this one It is very closely related to the winner of the 2013 best beginner's scope for the value with the best visuals. In telescope land. Or something :-)
I have one of these http://www.amazon.com/Celestron-21024-FirstScope-Telescope/dp/B001UQ6E4Y/ and was very impressed despite the low price. I used it quite a bit for a few months before buying a much bigger and better scope of craigslist. One of the problems of lower end scopes is the quality of the eyepieces. Even that $40 scope allowed for me to see the bands of Jupiter and splotches on Mars, and using better eyepieces made it much better. Unless your son will be using the scope during the day I would recommend getting a reflecting scope. You get a bigger telescope for less money, which is great for seeing the fainter objects in the sky like galaxies, and nebulae.
If I were buying something for my son in this price range I would probably go with this: http://www.amazon.com/Celestron-21045-Equatorial-PowerSeeker-Telescope/dp/B0000Y8C2Y and also get him some other presents, like a moon filter, or better eyepiece.
If he sticks with it, he can upgrade eyepieces, the mount, etc. to get improved performance out if it and use those on later scopes as well. It would be more difficult to
Alternatively, do what I do and don't accept gifts. Move away from family so they can't realistically buy you gifts, and if they do, they arrive in the mail so you can just write a thank you.
Pretty much the only thing someone could get me that would stir any emotion in me is a telescope... but it's far too expensive to actually accept it even if someone did buy it for me. So I just gave up on Christmas a long time ago and put money saved by not gift giving into my taxable investment account.
You align the telescope, and then use a motorized mount that tracks what you are taking a picture of. Like this:
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B000ARFND2
Have always admired astrophotography from afar, but have decided to jump in. Luckily I do have some money to spend on my hobbies. And instead of getting something I would outgrow Im going to get a more expensive scope. The one that has jumped out to me is the Celestron NexStar 8 SE . I might go down to the 6/5 SE.
What are my goals? Id like to us my Nikon D3300 and scope,, with the obviously needed T Ring and adapter for planetary images and some DSO as my next step. I know I will also need a wedge for polar alignment with the 6/8 SE. My question is will this scope be able to help me meet my goals?
Also, I am not located in a dark sky area, I have to travel a couple hours to get there.
I'd recommend a Celestron NexStar 6 SE. It fits within your budget and allows you some leftover for accessories.
They're solid telescopes, with a good mount. The Schmidt-Cassegrain design is somewhat of a compromise, but it is a jack-of-all-trades master-of-none kind of design, which seems like it would do nicely for the various things you would like to be able to do. It's relatively compact and portable, but has a large aperture for its size.
As /u/twilightmoons pointed out, you can use a 45-degree prism for upright viewing of terrestrial objects like when birding. You might also want to pick up a high quality eyepiece or two, they make such a difference in how enjoyable a scope is to use.
Imho it looks vastly overpriced for what it is - the standard 650mm FL celestron tube with a computer mount.
Better would be this
Or maybe a dobsonian
Also allow some room to buy some eyepieces
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> 6SE
https://www.amazon.com/Celestron-NexStar-6-SE-Telescope/dp/B000GUKTDM
This is the other one you mentioned. Seems to be fairly the same as the cheaper 127 slt. What would make you buy this over the cheaper one, is it more price point, or am I gaining something of definitely more value, or usefulness?
I see. It's cool that most telescopes (even entry level) those days have built-in tracking software, maybe they're hackable to track launch.
I was thinking this or this
The first telescope I had when I was beginning was a Celestron Astromaster 114EQ. It worked beautifully the entire time that I had it, and it was a perfect telescope for me as a beginner. It's not heavy nor bulky, and it's quite easy to move. It's always a plus to have variations of eyepieces to use, so if you can, save up for a new set of lenses. I purchased a Celestron eyepiece kit from telescopes.com and I've had no issues with it ever since. The eyepieces and filters work quite well, and it even comes with a piece of paper 1telling you the purpose of each filter. The majority of telescopes use 1.25" eyepieces, so if you decide to upgrade your telescope, the eyepieces will work! :)
If you have any further questions, let me know! :)
Thank you for your response! So, pretty much, I have [this] (https://www.amazon.com/Celestron-31045-AstroMaster-Reflector-Telescope/dp/B000MLL6RS) and if I want to see the planets / deep sky objects (given that I'm in the right place to do them), purchasing this one would do the trick?
This telescope cause I've dreamed of being able to gaze at the moon and planets better since I was a kid.
is this a worthy upgrade or too similar to what I've got already?
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Celestron-31045-Astromaster-130EQ/dp/B000MLL6RS/ref=pd_ys_sf_s_560798_b1_5_p?ie=UTF8&refRID=17H1YVGA656815361K3Q
I can see the mount itself is worth upgrading for, the aperture is 28mm wider (130mm vs. 102mm), though the focal length is 400mm shorter (650mm vs. 1100mm)
The Best Buy website has some of the same telescopes as the Orion website. The one that looks like the best pick based on the budget:
Astromaster 130EQ
I'd prefer this scope to a 6" Dob since it's possible to add tracking and get started with astrophotography using the EQ mount.
I used my telescope and I put my iphone camera right up to the eye piece. It's kind of hard to keep it steady but with some practice you can get it.
The telescope isn't even that expensive. It's similar to this one.
man i am and i think its just convoluting my decision! everything looks great lol
here are the two i'm really liking right now, any opinion between them?
http://www.amazon.com/Celestron-21035-70mm-Travel-Scope/dp/B001TI9Y2M/ref=sr_1_4?s=photo&ie=UTF8&qid=1373176171&sr=1-4&keywords=telescope
^carrying case, kind of thick (i have a complex ok)
http://www.amazon.com/Celestron-21049-127EQ-PowerSeeker-Telescope/dp/B0007UQNKY/ref=sr_1_3?s=photo&ie=UTF8&qid=1373176171&sr=1-3&keywords=telescope
badass looking as well.. but maybe not compact enough to move around?
http://www.amazon.com/Celestron-21037-PowerSeeker-70EQ-Telescope/dp/B001592LFC/ref=sr_1_5?s=photo&ie=UTF8&qid=1373176171&sr=1-5&keywords=telescope
idk pics show it zooming into the moon a lot
Um, I bought it at a local store, but it was a 10" Orion Dobsonian reflector. Here it is on Amazon, but I'm sure you can probably find it cheaper on other sites.
Alternate telescope link based on busted link. Looks like the 8 inch one is ~$1800.
Looks like a Meade lx90 series.
http://www.amazon.com/Meade-LX90-ACF-Advanced-Coma-Free-Telescope/dp/B002AK4N74
I have a Canon EOS Rebel T3 and a Celestron 114LCM telescope. Does anyone know of any telescope lens adapters that would work for this setup? (Preferably under $30)
Thank you.
Some much better options:
https://www.telescopes.com/collections/telescopes/products/celestron-nexstar-114gt-computerized-telescope?view=cro-test
https://www.amazon.com/Celestron-NexStar-90SLT-Mak-Computerized/dp/B0038LX8WU/ref=sr_1_11?ie=UTF8&qid=1467689401&sr=8-11&keywords=celestron+computerized+telescope
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0007UQNN6/ref=twister_B016RNBU3E?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1
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The best for your budget and needs:
https://www.amazon.com/Celestron-NexStar-130-Computerized-Telescope/dp/B0007UQNNQ/ref=pd_sim_sbs_421_2?ie=UTF8&dpID=419lLzhgoOL&dpSrc=sims&preST=_AC_UL160_SR160%2C160_&psc=1&refRID=A04PFWRRR8GFJVYBJ2PS
https://www.amazon.com/Celestron-NexStar-127SLT-Mak-Computerized/dp/B0038LX8XE/ref=sr_1_7?ie=UTF8&qid=1467689401&sr=8-7&keywords=celestron+computerized+telescope
Also an owner of the the XT8 dob. It is my first telescope and has been great fun so far. Setup and calibration was easy too. You can also get it with a beginners barlow kit.
Possible con: It weighs around 40 lbs, so if you want a really portable scope it may not be your best option.
That is some awesome advice. Other people are recommending a dob as well. Do you know any thing about this one?
http://www.amazon.com/Orion-SkyQuest-XT8-Dobsonian-Telescope/dp/B001DDW9V6/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1369432158&sr=1-1&keywords=orion+skyquest+xt8
Also, for $30 more they have this option which to me sounds like it might be worth it?
http://www.amazon.com/Orion-Classic-Dobsonian-Telescope-Beginner/dp/B003ZDEUS2/ref=sr_1_2?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1369432158&sr=1-2&keywords=orion+skyquest+xt8
Or do you recommend any dobs?
I have been eyeing the skywatcher 80ed, but it seems a little too similar to my current scope. 80ED is 80mm f/7.5 and mine is 70mm f/8.5, which I know is worse, but if I had to choose where to budget my money...
It's either that or an 8-10" reflector, though if I went with that, I know I'd have to get a stronger mount. Which would you recommend?
Unless I'm mistaken, he's got his Canon attached to his Telescope, the Skywatcher 80ED he mentioned. Still very impressive though.
I started with a Nexstar in LA and would not recommend that to a newbie astrophotographer. Nexstars are fine for visual observation and even planetary imaging but they’re the worst for everything else. Instead, get him this telescope and this mount . That should keep him busy for a long time in astrophotography. Plus both have good resale value in case he doesn’t stick with the hobby ;-)
Oh, and bring him to the LA Astronomical Society’s HQ in Monterey Park! We have open house every Wednesday. Anybody there will be happy to show him the ropes
Actually, good timing. I have a Skywatcher Pro ED80 I am looking to sell if you would be willing to buy used. I would sell it to you for $380. I also have other accessories like the field flattener/reducer that I am also willing to sell. If you aren't interested, no worries, I can sell on CloudyNights, just thought I would offer.
I'm about to purchase my first kit for deep sky imaging but have one simple question to ask, just to be sure before purchasing.
Would a Skywatcher ProED 80mm Scope fit on a Celestron Advanced VX goto Mount?
Thanks!
Mine looks exactly like this but different brand. Feeling ko same manufacturer nila sa china, branding lang. My telescope apparently came from korea.
So thats $500 without shipping and taxes medyo lalaki yan. Baka pumatak na ng $1000+.
That's good, as it will save you a fair whack of money.
I bought this one from the US a year ago and I've been mostly happy. It's great for looking at the moon, Jupiter, Mars and Venus. I haven't tried to get a good look at Saturn yet because I need to spend some time re-collimating it, but it should just do the job.
The bad thing about telescopes is that no matter what you buy, you'll wish you bought one with a bigger mirror 6 or 12 months down the road. Better lenses can help squeeze a bit more viewing out, but you
canwill quickly spend way more on lenses and other odds and ends as you spent on the scope itself.This isn't meant as a discouragement at all, just consider your purchase really well before jumping in.
Upon further research, mine is about half the diameter I think... I have this: http://www.amazon.com/Orion-09798-StarBlast-Equatorial-Reflector/dp/tech-data/B0069VYPV4
It's a nice little scope for the amateur stuff I wanted to do. I've seen Jupiter and been able to pick out the bands and some moons.
Close to your price range and pretty good:
http://www.amazon.com/Orion-StarBlast-Equatorial-Reflector-Telescope/dp/B0069VYPV4/ref=sr_1_15?ie=UTF8&qid=1427654078&sr=8-15&keywords=telescope
what's your opinion on the Polaris 130mm EQ
How good is this telescope? http://www.amazon.com/Meade-Instruments-216006-Reflector-Telescope/dp/B00LU1DY8S
It's the same price as the 127eq but not a birdjones design! also focal length is 1000mm and aperture is 114mm, not a problem.
The previous poster stated a 2" T-adapter. What dictates the need for a 1.25" or 2" adapter?
That $20 one was the cheapest I could find, the others were $50-$90 or something. 1.25" ones are much cheaper.
Is [this Gotsky[(https://www.amazon.com/Gosky-Telescope-Adapter-T-mount-Cameras/dp/B013DID11A/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1474703452&sr=8-2&keywords=telescope+t+mount+canon) one better than the Fotasy one?
So I need to actually try the camera on the telescope before I'll know if I need a Barlow? How do I choose the right one? I did a little bit of research on what a Barlow is, and they seem to have a variety of lengths, but I couldn't find how to choose one for my setup.
Thanks for the help
Hi guys! I'm just looking at amazon for a dslr to barlow. How is this?
www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B013DID11A/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?smid=AHQ6VCR020F8X&psc=1
This will be my first attempt at putting dslr to a telescope. I have a standard 1 1/4 telescope and a Rebel XSI.
I see that its from a canon ef to m42 and then m42 to 1 1/4. Would that still be alright? Or should I just man up and buy a canon to t and universal t to 1 1/4?
Hi all. I have a Canon T3i right now. I will also be getting an Orion ED80 shortly. Pretty new to Astrophotography, but I know that I will need a tring and a DSLR adapter for my scope, correct? Is anything else required to attach the DSLR to the focuser? Also, can anyone recommend a good tring+adapter. Would something cheap like this suffice, or should I get something nicer? Thanks!! https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B013DID11A/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=AHQ6VCR020F8X#Ask
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This does look like a nice telescope, I'm considering saving up for it do I need to buy a lens in addition to the telescope?
I was looking at this one on amazon and it looks like it is frequently bought with a short focus. Thanks for the advice! https://www.amazon.com/Meade-Instruments-LightBridge-Telescope-203003/dp/B01C5TG53Y/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1485902688&sr=8-2&keywords=lightbridge+min
I'm in the same position you are in and this here: http://www.amazon.com/dp/B000MLL6R8
looks like a good one for me. It's telescopes.com's 2014 beginner telescope of the year
Edit: sorry for not being a telescope expert :/
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0038LX8XE/?coliid=I1TOJTBWZ7SY8K&colid=1TM050NZ9C1HA&psc=1&ref_=lv_ov_lig_dp_it