(Part 3) Top products from r/quittingkratom

If it were me (and that is all I can comment on as I don't dispense any advice) I would most likely use lope.

I'd start the night before going CT with 5 pills (2mg each) it takes a bit to get into the system and this jump starts it.

Then I'd go 5 pills (twice per day) on day one. And then 4 pills (twice per day on day two). And go down a pill per dose per day accordingly.

I would not use it more than 5 days. There is no need. Most people with shortish habits wake up on day 5 feeling MUCH better. But even a person with a longer habit really need not use it longer than 5 days.

The other supplements I'd recommend are a GOOD multi with minerals (like the senior ones) and maybe even supplemental vitamin C with rose hips (the rose helps absorption) or maybe this one:
https://www.amazon.com/Bronson-Vitamin-Premium-Non-GMO-Ascorbic/dp/B0006ZNFT2/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1478780712&sr=8-1-spons&keywords=vitamin%2BC&th=1

Then to top it all off I'd use a few adaptogenic herbs to help repair the HPA axis. Ashawagandha at night and rhodiola in the morning. The other good morning supplement is L-tyrosine……and of course eat super clean too.

You may have a really sketchy appetite for awhile. Make sure to get nutrition anyway. Easy foods loaded with nutrients are best. Such as scrambled eggs, orange juice and other fruit juice, greek yogurt, bananas, peanut butter, whole wheat bread or pasta.

The key is it has to sound appealing or you won't eat it. Clearly there may be "cleaner foods" out there, but appetites are funny at first, so go with what you WILL eat.

Drink lots of water. Make yourself MOVE even though you don't want to. Do not allow yourself toy sit at home staring at the computer screen (you will be tempted to because kratom seems to affect people like this).

Get outside and WALK or ride your bike…..try and create a new schedule for yourself. Think about the things that caused your addiction. Were you attempting to avoid something? figure out how to address it.

If you need help sleeping then use valerian, melatonin or passionflower (or even a mix of these). The passionflower is good for any anxiety. Kava is also good for anxiety. Just use these WHEN NEEDED and especially don't abuse the kava. I live in a legal state and used MJ with very good effects.

Don't go ballistic with yourself though. Be gentle and loving. Do not berate yourself for getting to this point…….we all get lost on occasion and this doesn't make us bad people. Indeed we are GOOD people.

And we can turn anything around for the better……no matter how hopeless we feel, that is a complete mirage. Don't fall for it.

Come here often. Report your progress in the daily updates thread…..make friends with a few people. Most of us were "closet users" and having company on this journey can really be helpful.

Drug addiction is often fueled by feeling alone in this world…. maybe think a little about that (if it fits anyway). We deserve to be happy and to be thriving……life is to be lived. And not in a comatose kratomized way……finally :

YOU ARE MUCH STRONGER THAN YOU KNOW……GOOD LUCK !

750mg caplets (good on the go - I take these on hiking trips! or when traveling, for convenience) https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004GW9L9E/

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bulk powder (I just toss and wash... lmao, the irony. 1/2 tsp = 749mg) https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00H4HXK5E/

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500mg DPA (no L-PA, just the D - more ideal for nighttime, sometimes I take it during a gym workout to keep my endorphins going longer, time it for about an hour before chugging my protein shake) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B001TNQKLA

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As for when to take it, they're amino acids that compete for absorption with protein. So I've found lately that it works best if I take my 1/2 tsp (about 750mg) right when I wake up, then give an hour before I make my morning smoothie (which contains a lot of protein, along with veggies, fruit, ground flaxseed, oats, basically a ton of superfoods) and/or eat breakfast. Seems to work a lot better when I'm intentional about making sure I can absorb it best. Again, ironically sounds like kratom usage, except the results are exactly the opposite! =) I usually do 750mg in the morning, maybe a 2nd dose before the gym (or do the DPA before finishing the workout), and a DPA at night. I also take week long breaks once in a while.

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So tl;dr better to take it on an emptier stomach, and timed away from any protein intake. But if you don't have time, just take it lol.

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Also, I've taken 1.5-2g doses before, and I'm not sure it made a difference. I seem to get the best results from 750mg-1g. This goes for all supplements these days, I don't really double up on anything anymore.

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Hope it works for you!

Awww Thanks struggle & newgirl, very nice compliments. I personally read up on the vitamin C idea, too---then did tons of research and found this excellent very bioavailable one on Amazon. And the best price I found, too.Worth a look !

I will NEVER forget how cold and alone and lost I felt when I realized how deep I'd gotten in this crap (my mind was a mess, too). So reading the posts here helped me to feel "not as alone" and that made the difference…….I believe in the old paying it forward idea.

We are all the same when we get here. We need a helping hand or encouraging comment to spark our OWN power…..then we can do damn near anything !

Keep going my friend, glad to hear things are still improving :-)

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0006ZNFU6?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_search_detailpage

Hi.

Step one, is to go buy a cheap digital scale that can read tenths of a gram.

Actually, Step One is admitting you have a problem and asking for help. So congrats! You're already on your way!!

THIS is the one I bought off Amazon for $17 and served me well, but just about any will do.

Once you know where you stand, you know how far you have to go.

The tapering guide found in the sidebar is a fantastic resource that many (including myself) used to dial usage down to a more reasonable level before jumping off. This is VERY doable. You can do it.

Commit to change, and then start putting one foot in front of the other.

Supplements are helpful, but everybody seems to have a different experience.

Make a note of how you feel right now. It will be your best resource in times of struggle.

You got this!

I ordered this....

https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B000XY6NAE/ref=mp_s_a_1_10_a_it?ie=UTF8&qid=1494296042&sr=8-10&keywords=black+seed+oil+organic+cold+pressed

It's the third or fourth BSO I've tried and I think the best one so far.

Please don't use that essential oil the pharmacy sells - I would recommend Amazon, a health food store, or a vitamin cottage, just about in that order, too.

Hey there again name buddy!

I had a question about the Ashwagandha. I think this might help me the most after reading about it. Do you know if this brand is any good? There's like a million out there but this had the best reviews. I got 5-HTP coming Tuesday and I stocked up on fruits and veggies and fish. Luckily I was preparing to taper anyway even before I learned about the ban and started eating 3 meals a day again and taking multivitamins.

https://www.amazon.com/Gaia-Herbs-Ashwagandha-Liquid-Phyto-Capsules/dp/B003HD9H0G

I'm exactly like you. The lack of sleep is my main issue. These 2 have worked very well for me and I used to take Ambien a few months back.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00CKQ4TN6/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o02_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

https://www.amazon.com/Nature-Made-Softgel-Natural-30-Count/dp/B0026KLHEU/ref=sr_1_18_s_f_it?s=hpc&ie=UTF8&qid=1474062338&sr=1-18&ppw=fresh&keywords=sleep+melatonin

I take 2 of each before I go to bed and when I wake up (1 of each). Does not make me groggy. Good luck!

Awesome, thank you so much. This is the kind I purchased, is it ok?: https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B000CB7N34/ref=sxts1_a_it?ie=UTF8&qid=1492192993&sr=1

If you can, get a hold of this book: http://www.amazon.ca/Rein-Your-Brain-Impulsivity-Thoughtful/dp/1616494670

Read it when you have some spare time, especially if you are craving hard. When you are craving hard, before making the impulse decision to take kratom, read a few pages from this book.

You will learn to teach your brain to think with the cortex rather than the limbic. Making decision thoughtfully rather than impulsively. I know that may sounds scary, but it's really not. It helps me a lot when I get cravings. It's a very good book and I highly recommend it for anyone while they are quitting anything.

Not all green tea is created equal, I'd recommend sencha for a much higher dose of theanine (which gives you the relaxing buzz), also a much smoother taste. Also make sure not to over-steep your green tea as it makes it taste more bitter.

Here's the sencha i use: https://www.amazon.com/Davidsons-Tea-Bulk-Sencha-16-Ounce/dp/B000SAPX8G/ref=sr_1_5_a_it?ie=UTF8&qid=1542312854&sr=8-5&keywords=sencha+tea&dpID=41DZ3w-DabL&preST=_SY300_QL70_&dpSrc=srch

I have this one https://www.amazon.com/Sphere-Gadget-Technologies-Lightphoria-Energy/dp/B004JF3G08/ref=zg_bs_13053141_12?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=ZNA1EJ79ETGXPWSNY466

There are a ton of them on Amazon https://www.amazon.com/Best-Sellers-Health-Personal-Care-Light-Therapy-Products/zgbs/hpc/13053141

Lots of difference price ranges. Basically, it mimics sunlight and kind of tricks your brain into thinking you're looking at the sun. I like to put it on the corner of my desk while I work. It looks like a sunny window out of the corner of my eye.

L-Theanine is pretty decent for anxiety. (https://www.amazon.com/L-Theanine-Servings-Nootropic-Supplement-Anxiety/dp/B00H46X2LC), So is Ashwagandha (https://www.amazon.com/Natures-Answer-Alcohol-Free-Ashwagandha-2-Fluid/dp/B0001VUTZY/ref=sr_1_3_a_it?ie=UTF8&qid=1491951403&sr=8-3&keywords=ashwagandha+extract). Probiotic foods from Greek Yogurt to Kimchi are also a life saver. 90% of your body's serotonin actually exists in the gut, not the brain. If you've been on kratom for a while, chances are you don't have much good bacteria their left, so you're lacking that serotonin. Anyway, I used to think people were full of crap when they talked about natural methods of dealing with addiction (other than exercise)...but there are definitely some out there that really work.

Himalaya Organic Ashwagandha 60 Caplets for Anti-Stress and Energy 670mg https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0002BBATC/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_eOsGyb7ZX1GPZ

I got this from my local natural food store. They had it on sale for 12.99.

I'm so glad to read this as I have had terrible diarrhea for the last 15 days after quitting CT. I was concerned that it was liver damage from kava I was taking to sooth PAWS anxiety. I think that the kava was making it worse, but the gut problems were probably mostly from the kratom withdrawal. Thanks for putting my mind at ease. I hope that your gut gets back to normal soon. If you have to have diarrhea, this is a lifesaver:

https://www.amazon.com/Bidet-MB110-Non-Electric-Mechanical-Attachment/dp/B001KKRCFA

Take high absorption magnesium. It will help with a lot of withdrawal symptoms.

I felt the same way mate, had to goto the ER 5 times for panic attacks, couldn't breathe, thought I was gonna die. Was all due to anxiety. Only lasts the first 2-3 weeks.

Benzos can be used to help with this, but the dependency/addictive nature of benzos is really bad - so if you go this route, be very careful.

As far as my research has brought me, and actual usage/experimentation, American Skullcap is really a phenom for destroying anxiety and insomnia brought on by kratom withdrawal. I'm in week 3-4 of withdrawal and I slept for the first time without using addictive substances like benzos. I just drank 2 glasses of skullcap tea and conked tf out.

I trust Frontier Co-Op for all the herbs I buy, organicly grown, safer than buying extracts with who knows what in them.

Here's the product I use: FRONTIER CO-OP SCULLCAP HERB CERTIFIED ORGANIC, HERBAL SUPPLEMENT 16OZ

Hope this helps other people who are concerned with trading one addiction for another, just to deal with withdrawal.

All my research points at Skullcap being non-habit forming, non-narcotic. Classified as a "nervine" in classical herbology.

Give black seed oil a try. It helped my RLS.

https://www.amazon.com/SweetSunnah-Unrefined-Unfiltered-Preservatives-Artificial/dp/B000YN1IRM/ref=sr_1_10_a_it?ie=UTF8&qid=1495544818&sr=8-10&keywords=Black+Seed+Oil

Can’t hurt!
(Unless you have a family history of schizophrenia)

Start with about .1g

Get a milligram scale

5-htp and Tyrosine. Otherwise, time.... Sam-E can also help but also hurt depending on your issue. Something else i looked at but never used since you body has been through so much stress and others have mentioned this brand: https://www.amazon.com/Gaia-Herbs-Adrenal-Health-Phyto-Capsules/dp/B0036THML2/ref=sr_1_3_s_it?s=hpc&ie=UTF8&qid=1466451274&sr=1-3&keywords=adrenal+fatigue+supplements