(Part 3) Top products from r/seduction

I am obsessed. Here is my current collection:

Most of these you can find on thepiratebay / etc, but I own a hard copy of all of these except for The Mystery Method, which I read probably 5 times before I found Magic Bullets (actually don't own that either, just the pdf). I'll add to this list if I think of more.

Must Reads:

Magic Bullets - Savoy ==>> [Torrent] it's expensive!

• This book is so excellent. It's like a PUA encyclopedia. It walks you through the process, and cites every major text along the way.. none of this "my way works best" crap, but not afraid to make judgments either. For pickup books that employ some form of the M3 Model (however loosely.. which I think means: everyone except Ross Jeffries), this is the authoritative text. If you have an approach that is proven, important, and credible, then it is probably cited in this book.
  
  Influence: The Psychology of Persuasion - Robert Cialdini
  
  
• I got this book because it is #1 on this list. Turns out, it is the modern version of Dale Carnegie's How To Win Friends and Influence People (see review below).. only this time, it's by someone who knows a thing or two about applied psychology (which either didn't exist back then, or was too under-developed to matter). This guy freaking went undercover as a used car salesman, working with fundraisers, etc. Interestingly enough, I bought this book in the same order as The Game, and in chapter 1 Strauss mentions reading Cialdini's book to prepare for a trip to Belgrade with Mystery, which was his formal introduction into the PUA community.
  
  The Art of Seduction - Robert Greene
  
  
• I'm not done with this one yet, but I will say this: if you have a conscience, don't read this. It really is a fascinating study of seduction, but it does focus on seduction as a tool to victimize people.. That said, unlike your typical pick-up type book which does not bother to categorize gamers' personality types, this book categorizes different "types" of seducers. This is extremely helpful because you can figure out what type of seducer fits you best, and what things you need to focus on to improve your game.
  
  How to Win Friends & Influence People - Dale Carnegie
  
  
• This book has sold over 15 million copies. It was originally written in 1937, but has been revised once or twice since it became the best selling self-help type book of all time, which it probably still is. He walks you through the basic principles of how to motivate people.. what works, what doesn't.. etc. Fun, easy, captivating read. It looks thick, but I think I unintentionally read it cover to cover in one sitting the first time I read it in college.. so it's a quick read.
  
  
  Should reads:
  
  The Game - Neil Strauss
  
  
• I think this is one of the best selling pick-up type books. I liked reading it, but it was less of a tutorial book and more of an autobiography.. it does get the job done though. It also is a very entertaining read, and if you doubt that PUA stuff actually works, this will prove to you otherwise because Strauss was a very timid and ugly mofo, but he fucked Jenna Jameson.
  
  The Mystery Method : How to Get Beautiful Women Into Bed - Mystery, Chris Odom, Neil Strauss
  
  
• This introduced me into the world of PUA my senior year of college when I inadvertently stumbled upon a torrent of it (I was probably looking for something to jerk off to. How poetic). I downloaded it just to skim through it skeptically, but this book eventually introduced me to a whole new world. This is an excellent staple / beginner's text, even though I now recommend Magic Bullets because it is so much more objective and inclusive of alternate styles and approaches along the way.
  
  How to Get the Women You Desire into Bed - Ross Jeffries
  
  
• Not done with this yet, but Ross Jeffries is a freak (not meant to be insulting to him). I have no doubt that his methods are effective, but they are very different. And he really seems a bit evil, as opposed to merely mischievous like most other PUAs are. I haven't decided how incompatible, if not just different, his methods are with the Mystery / Strauss crowd.. but then again, I have never field tested any of his methods myself.
  
  Truth in Comedy: The Manual of Improvisation - Charna Halpern, Del Close, Kim Johnson
  
  
• A close friend of mine who studied improv in New York lent me this, and I forgot about it until recently -- but it is a very short but brilliant book about comedy. I'm listening now to David DeAngelo's Cock Comedy series, and I realized that almost everything he's saying is straight out of this little text. It's not really something essential for pick-up, which is why I wouldn't put it in Must Reads, but it is excellent nonetheless.
  
  
  Meh, they're alright:
  
  The Pickup Artist: The New and Improved Art of Seduction - Mystery, Neil Strauss
  
  
• You can definitely get some good stuff out of this book, but the whole thing comes across as an excuse for Mystery to brag about how awesome he is. He seriously spends an entire chapter (maybe more) telling a story about him bragging to other PUAs. He does deserve it though, the man is the single most influential PUA ever, if not the most successful in the field.
  
  Rules of the Game - Neil Strauss
  
  
• This is one of those books that you read once a day for 30 days, and write down statements of intent right in the book like "it is my goal to lose my virginity before my next birthday in 3 months." Probably good for beginners, but I skimmed through this after having been gaming in the field for several months.
  
  Haven't read yet:
  
  What Every BODY is Saying: An Ex-FBI Agent's Guide to Speed-Reading People - Joe Navarro, Marvin Karlins
  
  
• This looks really good.
  
  NLP: The New Technology of Achievement - NLP Comprehensive
  
  Easy Mind-Reading Tricks - Robert Mandelberg, Ferruccio Sardella
  
  Palm Reading for Beginners: Find Your Future in the Palm of Your Hand (For Beginners (Llewellyn's)) - Richard Webster
  
  There are also some good videos out there (links are to torrents. these are all several hundred $$):
  
  
  Excellent Videos
  
  The Annihilation Method - Neil Strauss
  
  
• I met a guy who said he was looking around his apartment for things to sell so he could afford the $375 this costs. apparently he didn't think to check thepiratebay ;)
  
  Mystery and Style
  
  
• The videos of Mystery in here are just excellent. It's very interesting to see Mystery actually interacting with other people (not in a set), since he is the god of pick-up.
  
  Decent Videos
  
  Psychic Influence - Ross Jeffries
  
  
• This is interesting.. I'm not much of a Jeffries guy though, mostly because he's the most oddball of the group, and I haven't studied his material enough.

So generally you need to assume a state of mind where you are awesome and no one can tell you otherwise. For now, fake until you got it (which works surprisingly well). But here are some general tips I've given for helping to improve that:

There are several key aspects of confidence to that which are ENTIRELY manageable. Primarily there are the physical and mental aspects of confidence. Physical is easier actually. Hit the gym, use /r/fitness to help develop a routine. Eat proper foods and have a healthy diet (/r/fitmeals). For your appearance post in /r/malefashionadvice for a fashion that fits your figure and stature. Then for your hair you need a style for you, /r/malehairadvice. Finally for general grooming there's /r/malegrooming. Overall with a diet and regular exercise within a year you'll look completely different.

But you don't want to just be the dumb bodybuilder and actually the mental part is harder. But read books, doesn't matter what you read, read books. I remember I was talking to this HB9 Psychologist grad student, a subject I had NEVER done anything with before. But we started talking, I showed interest, commented on what I could and when she was talking about testing mentioend A/B Testing from an article in Wired I'd read. She was blown away that I knew of it. Find fun books to read, Sci-Fi, technology articles, get off Reddit to find interesting subjects to talk about. Reddit can help /r/books is good, just don't be the guy who can only talk about work and class.

For more general motivation in your life find an inspirational figure to model your life on. For me personally it's Theodore Roosevelt, Edmund Morris's biographical trilogy is FANTASTIC. At least read the first book, Roosevelt had to overcome much greater hurdles than you, you can do the same. Don't be afraid to ask questions and figure out why people think you are the way you are, just be sure to change it. If you need motivation, /r/GetMotivated is there for you. Further let this move into other areas of your life, work hard and play hard.

If you truly want a progression to give you some guidance, consdier The Art of Manliness' 30 Days to a Better Man (also just a damn good manly blog.) I'm going to encourage you to read some articles on Art of Manliness, it's not 100% perfect, but a great site for men.

A woman also likes a man with good values. One of the most attractive qualities I've been told by women is that I'm an Eagle Scout. Reasoning behind this is that it says that I embody certain aspects, namely the Scout Law and Scout Oath (as well as the Slogan and Motto). You can still live up to these ideals without being an Eagle Scout, just start now, they really are very manly.

For some inspiration look at this guy and this guy


But more specifically for your circumstances, generally I'm opposed to workplace romance but if you want to give it a shot go for it. First off how much do you two talk? If you're just coworkers that don't talk much, you gotta find a way to get to know her better first. Perhaps a work happy hour?

I mean, yeah, your friend was just trying to shoot the shit with some buddy talk, don't be harsh on him. But you should definitely talk to your best friend about what would you say in these situations, its a good way to be "prepared," and also to work on wingmanship with him (imagine if he's present when you freeze up while talking to a girl at a party or something, he could help you stay in flow). Prepared is not a good word, as it always makes it sound anxious, "sprezzatura" is better, oh, and also be firm in your values, again, honesty helps in building attraction. I think that Machiavelli wrote about this italian expression, how men should act in court with women, and that even if you work hard on something, (he was talking about artists and nobles and their duties, hobbies, so I guess frame is true here too), be non-chalant during a talk about it.

I think this is also true about possible situations, where you have epxectation about a girl, and prepare for talks in advance, then when "shit hits the fan" you can actually say something, even if most of the times it sounds "canned." I had some pretty surprising outcomes because of this, so yeah, if you know that a girl is going to talk about a topic next time, actually think about what you feel about that topic, like getting a girlfriend. This question gets more relevant if you imagine why the girl asked it in the first place. Did she think that you'd be a nice partner or she thinks that you have fucked up something in your life? It doesn't matter, really. All you need to do is to realize why this is the case, why your life looks like as it is now.

I had some pretty cute girls ask this girlfriend topic, and they were genuinely interested, and it was because they were into me or just liked me, in that situation you already have the ace in your hand, you just have to be nice to them in return. In antoher situation, another type of girl might ask the same question, just to push your buttons (maybe with a RBF), not even looking at you, just fiddling away with their phones. In this case, you shouldn't worry about this, they are just shit-testing you if you are confident enough to face issues like these. If you worry, they've managed to embarrass you and they got the confirmation that they were expecting. So just stay calm and you can be brutally honest too, these types of girls won't get offended that easily if you act like this. Maybe they'll throw a hissy fit if you cross a line (by telling them some cheeky joke about how they have a lot of boyfrined or something in riposte to this girlfriend question), and in that case you pretty much snatched the rein of the conversation at that point from their hands. You should definitely talk to them about these issues if an argument like this happens, as it is very eye-opening to see why they act the way they do, as this RBF attitude is most of the time just a defensive act for them to not get wind up in unnecessarily emotional situations (and you shouldn't judge girls only by the very first impressions).

Main thing is that remain calm and don't lose frame, tell them what you actually think, but if you have a very-very good joke, you can even thaw girls who might open by giving you the cold shoulder (just don't act like a white knight after you get their attention, "sprezzatura" all the way). To tell you a more specific response, I'd need some info about what you do and what are your goals. If you really feel that you need help with getting your shit together, dont be afraid, I was in the same boat as you, and I don't want to be a dick. Just read Jordan Peterson's 12 Rules for Life. It really helped me get better future prospects, work for them, and to be more confident in general, including girls too.

> I had the best sex of my life and discovered myself sexually. This sounds like a good thing, right? Isn't that what people here want?

People who come to seddit, or the PUA community in general, are trying to solve a problem. Yeah, they are socially awkward and want to connect with people on a deeper level but most end up trapped in validation seeking behaviour, where the thrill of some strange is a higher priority than self actualisation. This creates that empty feeling you have now...

...but while most people come here looking for tips on how to pick up women, they soon realise that the more effective methods of seduction have to do with improving themselves, physically, mentally, socially, and spiritually. When I say spiritual, I mean connecting with your inner self and finding your true purpose. But the road to improvement is hard, painful, it will test your relationships, but it's worth it...

...because once you realise that you, subconsciously create the world around you, and you have your priorities in order, you have found true purpose, you are a fount of inner happiness & you understand what true wealth is, then you can live the life you want and deserve.

Come for the sex, stay for the inner game...

P.S.: If I was going to read 1 book on the subject, I would read Noah St. John's The Secret Code of Success: 7 Hidden Steps to More Wealth and Happiness

Try this one:
https://www.amazon.ca/You-Are-Not-Your-Brain/dp/1583334831

It helped me a lot, and at the same time I was starting to use Headspace, an app to learn mindfulness meditation.


One good trick I did: AudioBooks while training. I train for marathon so that means I have a lot of time to listen to those kind of things, might as well use this time to grow!

I've seen "Influence" recommended by someone else, it is a great book also! A lot of book on influence, selling tactics and the ilk are really good, as long as they are used in the right way; It’s not meant to “manipulate” someone into something, but for you to put yourself in the shoes of the “potential client”, understand her needs and try to fulfil them. It’s all about getting a win-win for everyone (sometimes, a win-win situation is also not wasting your time with someone!)

I also read a lot about the difference in male and female. The psychology of both genres differs in some key points that are real logical when you understand them! Like the need to feel safe, for instance, before a woman will “connect” and before you even think of escalating.

One last book I highly recommend, “Emotions Revealed” by Paul Ekman, about recognizing emotions (in yourself as well as the others). Dr Ekman is well renowned on the subject of psychology and the research of emotional intelligence.

Last one, for the road, cause I tought of it while I was writing: The Emotional Life of your Brain By Richard J. Davidson. A neuroscientist approach on how you can take control of your brain, how you can shape it for your needs and reprogram your “filter” to enable you to go further!

Hope this helps!

not yet. but there's something that's been on my reading list for a while now. reviews are good, and a friend that i trust with this sort of thing told me about it.

Impro: Improvisation and the Theatre

i skimmed a bit, and there's a section (abut 1/4) of the book on status play, which seems like it's full of good/interesting stuff. some of it probably relevant for seduction, or just social interaction in general.

also, "yes, and..." seems like a good mindset to be in. especially in a group setting when you're trying to be fun.

So, "The Red Queen" is a great book, but more for the material behind why the routines work.

If you're looking for something about the inner game in terms of mindstate, Style recommends "Mastering the Hidden-Self"

http://www.amazon.com/Mastering-Your-Hidden-Self-Guide/dp/0835605914

I know, I know, sounds super new-age. However, it's actually a basic primer on huna philosophy that worked wonders for me and several of the friends I subsequently lent the book to.

Otherwise, I think the only honest answer is Nietzsche or perhaps Camus

To be honest: I'm not a great fan of weed. It amplifies psychological problems like anxiety or depression. I had my fair share of them and one important step to recovery was to quit (If you are interested r/leaves).
If it hinders the process? I don't know to be honest and frankly there could be no answer on this question, because it could depend on the person.

What you could do about your thoughts is pausing Transformation Mastery for a while and reading this book: Feeling Good: The New Mood Therapy .
This book will help you get rid of these thoughts and will give you a jump start.
Another one, which is not nearly as important as this amazing book is: You Are Not Your Brain.
And if you're really really ambitious this one The Happiness Trap too.

If you can't afford these books pm me.

Robert Greene has a good series of books that probably help you out. Art of seduction / Laws of Power / Mastery. You can always check out the always helpful How to Win Friends and Influence People.

Wrote that from my mobile. To spell the links out, what can be helpful for you are those:

https://www.amazon.com/New-Rules-Attraction-Keep-Make/dp/1402266529/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=arden+leigh&qid=1554639308&s=gateway&sr=8-1

https://www.amazon.com/Art-Seduction-Robert-Greene/dp/1861977697/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=art+of+seduction&qid=1554639377&s=gateway&sr=8-1

https://www.amazon.com/Introducing-NLP-Psychological-Understanding-Neuro-Linguistic/dp/1573244988/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=introducing+nlp&qid=1554639402&s=gateway&sr=8-1

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Besides those, a lot of the knowledge base in PUA comes from stuff like

https://www.amazon.com/Evolutionary-Psychology-New-Science-Mind/dp/1138088617/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=evolutionary+psychology&qid=1554639453&s=gateway&sr=8-1

There's probably some more books for both genders, but there's also quite a market for books just for females (like the one by arden leigh), where you can find all sorts of things, like even exotical stuff like

https://www.amazon.com/Ho-Tactics-Uncut-Spending-Sponsoring/dp/0692258841/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=ho+tactics&qid=1554639560&s=gateway&sr=8-1

but the issue is pretty much the same one as in the dating / seduction / pickup niche for us guys, you stand in a huge pile of crap and have to search for the gold nuggets on your own.

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As suggested, start watching other funny people and deconstruct why their humor works. If there's no improv class, pick some improv games from online and practice with a trusted friend. Learn how to tease women and practice.

Also, I haven't read these books yet but I've heard great things: The Comic Toolbox and The Comedy Bible.

Be worth trying to establish if she’s found her ‘quiet’ confidence. I wrote this with women in mind but I think it’s equally relevant to men. Good luck https://www.amazon.co.uk/ENCHANTING-ME-Romantic-Emotional-Intelligence-ebook/dp/B07SKGB3WZ/

A few, in no particular order:

The Way of the Superior Man: A Spiritual Guide to Mastering the Challenges of Women, Work, and Sexual Desire
http://amzn.com/1591792576

Influence: The Psychology of Persuasion (Collins Business Essentials)
http://amzn.com/006124189X

Mastering Your Hidden Self: A Guide to the Huna Way (A Quest Book)
http://amzn.com/0835605914

My Secret Garden: Women's Sexual Fantasies
http://amzn.com/0671019872

Introducing NLP: Psychological Skills for Understanding and Influencing People (Neuro-Linguistic Programming)
http://amzn.com/1573244988

What Every BODY is Saying: An Ex-FBI Agent's Guide to Speed-Reading People
http://amzn.com/0061438294

The Red Queen: Sex and the Evolution of Human Nature
http://amzn.com/0060556579

Outliers: The Story of Success
http://amzn.com/0316017930

Iron John: A Book About Men
http://amzn.com/0306813769

• The Comic Toolbox by John Vorhaus <-- Learn to make jokes
  
• The Power of Now by Eckhart Tolle <-- For inner game
  
• The Seven Habits of Highly Effective People by Stephen Covey <-- Not necessarily pickup-related, but it's good overall life advice.

I can sympathize with this mindset. I'd highly recommend picking up [No More Mr. Nice Guy] (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004C438CW/ref=dp-kindle-redirect?ie=UTF8&btkr=1). [This post] (https://www.reddit.com/r/GetMotivated/comments/2mwfgz/text_no_more_mr_nice_guy_detailed_notes_on_how_to/) is a fairly good summary to give you an idea. I'm still working through the book myself; classes just wrapped up so I can finally really tackle my reading list.

>anything is better than being alone though

I disagree. If you're hanging around genuinely shitty people, I think you'd be better off alone for a while. In that regard, you could work on self-improvement and get yourself to the point where you are what you provide to people (good people) and you don't have to give them any goods or services in order to be liked in return. Does that make sense? I'm not trying to sound like an asshole but I used to be exactly where you are and that last line resonated. PM me if you want to chat about things

http://www.amazon.com/The-Introvert-Advantage-Thrive-Extrovert/dp/0761123695 might be of interest.

Also you might like The Tao of Pooh

You're not staring. You're making eye contact.

It's the first step in the human mating ritual (source: Peoplewatching). And breaking eye contact by looking down is her first submissive gesture -- remember, we're apes. Never forget you're an ape. And so is every girl you'll ever meet.

So when she holds strong eye contact then breaks it by looking down (especially if she reestablishes the eye contact) she is completing the first step of the human mating ritual. But you have to do your part too by providing something for her to submit to -- and that means you have to make her be the one to break eye contact.

You can read a book on it here: https://www.amazon.com/Introvert-Advantage-People-Thrive-Extrovert/dp/0761123695.

For one thing, Introvert's "think to talk" which helps with preparing things to say and use them, which can be very helpful, such as with DHV stories. Extroverts tend to "talk to think" which can be tricky unless they can learn to manage their energy, body language, and filters to say the right things calibrated to the right pace/people/situation. I find that high extroverts tend to have a more difficult time learning pickup at the beginning (because they have to learn and manage so many things at once) but can make up for it later....assuming they put the work in.

This this and this, if you ever want some more reading material.

Arden Leigh is what you'd be looking for:

http://ardenleigh.typepad.com/blog/2009/07/a-girls-guide-to-seducing-johnny-depp.html

She's working on a book, but unpublished as of yet:

http://www.amazon.com/New-Rules-Attraction-Keep-Make/dp/1402266529

http://www.amazon.com/The-Alphabet-Versus-Goddess-Conflict/dp/0140196013

"Alphabetic writing, Shlain believes, "subliminally fosters a patriarchal outlook" at the expense of feminine values.""

Yep. Someone saying the alphabet is an instrument of patriarchy gets published in academia, your argument is invalid. This turd is just the tip of the iceberg of the "women's studies" shithole.

I know this is slightly unrelated, but it's really not.

You have massive 'inner perception' problems. Everybody here is going to talk about inner-game, but I'm going to take it a step further.

A psychedelic experience.

What is the Psychedelic Experience?

A floatation tank, meditation, psilocybin, LSD, DMT or ayahuasca will ALL make you confront yourself, the egoic filter is literally BLASTED away, there's nothing left but you and raw emotion and you can work through a ton of stuff, such as getting validation from deep within yourself, and another- that in this moment, everything is actually okay, and you already have anything you could possibly need. (It's possible, I promise!)

People will throw game books at you, but since you have read models and no more mr nice guy, you should really check this one out.

The power of now

At least you have somewhere to work from now! Before you can fix it you had to know it was there, ya?

Look if it just comes down to "too afraid", then you'll either have to grow some balls and do it anyway, or not. And the second option means not getting any pussy, it means BEING a pussy. Your choice.

Bran thought about it. 'Can a man still be brave if he's afraid?'

'That is the only time a man can be brave,' his father told him.

I was scared the other day when I told an aggressive guy at work that he had to wait and closed the door on him. I was scared when I did a firewalk. I was scared every single time I went on stage to sing and play, and I did that more than fifty times. But I did it anyway because I know you either do it or you don't and not doing it is NOT an option.

You know on some level that there is nothing to fear. I have just given you a way to remove the pressure of winning.

The only way you will remove the underlying emotional fear is by proving otherwise repeatedly. And nothing will make that happen except doing it. In some cases, the underlying fear NEVER goes away.

Too fucking bad. Welcome to being a man.