(Part 3) Best christian bibles according to redditors
We found 2,255 Reddit comments discussing the best christian bibles. We ranked the 702 resulting products by number of redditors who mentioned them. Here are the products ranked 41-60. You can also go back to the previous section.
https://www.amazon.com/American-Standard-Bible-Lockman-Foundation/dp/1885217951/ref=mp_s_a_1_3?keywords=bible&qid=1567689969&s=gateway&sr=8-3
Heres some Jesus ya filthy animal.
https://www.amazon.com/Queen-James-Bible-God/dp/0615724531
honk honk
The Queen James Bible
www.amzn.com/0615724531
It exists LoL
I particularly like the hate reviews from the religious right!
There are numerous resources that I could suggest, but these are a good start.
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I am with you on your frustration that there are also no Star Trek and Lord Of The Rings flairs.
"You have not experienced the Psalms until you have read them in the original Klingon language."
u/PartyPastor, can you make it so?
Here are two articles that might shed light:
The first is by Kallistos Ware, an Oxford professor and Greek Orthodox bishop, and it's typical of his irenic, dispassionate style.
The second is by the late Father John Romanides, a Greek priest and seminary professor; as usual for his writing, it's full of bombast and difficult to read to the end without offense or puzzlement - but his view of the Christian west is not unusual among eastern Christians. I won't claim I share all his opinions or enjoy his style - but his basic point of view is pretty mainstream in Orthodoxy.
As for scripture: Rather than using scripture like a blueprint to build a "Bible-based church," we see scripture as an inspired expression of our faith. It's the oldest and least changeable part of what we receive from the early Church, so scripture is a plumbline with which any belief or practice needs to be compatible. (This is different from the way most Evangelicals expect beliefs and practices to be derived from scripture.)
The Old Testament of the eastern Church has always been the Greek translation begun about 250 BC in Alexandria (the Septuagint.) Our recension is pretty similar to the current scholarly standard, Rahlfs' and continues to include books that Protestants have removed. Although this Old Testament text is a translation from the original Hebrew, it reflects an older text tradition than the modern Hebrew Masoretic Text, which dates only as far back as the Middle Ages. Where the two OT texts differ, quotes in the New Testament/Dead Sea Scrolls/etc usually agree with the older Septuagint tradition.
Our New Testament text is usually called the "Byzantine" text, and includes most of the parts that the current western scholarly text leaves out. Since scripture is an inspired expression of our faith, we're not as concerned as western scholars with paring away marginalia that have become normative readings.
It should be noted that although Hart has robust argument, made in his NT translation, and supplemented in his 'All Shall Be Saved' -- it is a clear break from most scholarship. For a more robust scholarly undertaking Ilaria Ramelli's tome on apokatastasis deals with this favorably -- but again, a break from most scholarship (and orthodoxy, but we aren't concerned with that here).
There is a book called God's Secretaries which is how the King James Bible of 1611 came into being.
At the time, there were many religious factions and many Bibles floating around and these various groups were all bickering with one another. James the First thought that he could quell some of this infighting by having ONE bible. Then, he could get back to one of his favorite pastimes: pedophilia. Heh!
I mean...it's in Klingon... https://www.amazon.com/Klingon-Language-Version-English-Psalms-ebook/dp/B003UHVIOC
The Bible in OP's picture is the New Living Translation. It's actually just a standard Bible with an additional super-condensed ~40 manga pages illustrating stories from the Old Testament, and ~40 manga pages illustrating the Gospel. You can buy it here.
Source: I bought this exact Bible about 11 or 12 years ago.
/u/GarbageGroveFish /u/TreyWimbo
The Klingon Language Version, of course. If you even have to ask, then Mok'Ta vor, kash a'VEH!
The Great Adventure Bible just came out and is pretty good if you want to focus on the big picture of the Bible and understanding the overall story arch.
If you want more detailed study, I'd suggest the Didache Bible, which has cross references to the Catechism.
Yeah, I used the Harper Collins Study Bible when I was in school (I did a double major in English and Religious Studies in a Canadian University) but I believe the Oxford Annotated Bible is also popular when studying the bible academically.
Edit: I also used Ehrman’s The New Testament as a companion when studying the Bible in school.
I've never heard that in my life, and assuredly, the Holy Spirit would aid you as much as anyone else should you desire it. The proper way to read and interpret the book of Revelation (or any book), its exegesis, would be to obtain a study Bible (Personal recommendation), read the historical context, precursor to the book, footnotes, commentary, and of course the verse(s). If everyone followed such guidelines, many questions and misunderstandings would be rendered obsolete.
https://www.amazon.com/Johnny-Cash-Reads-Complete-Testament/dp/0718006771
+1, OP. Grab the Didache version in the RSV2CE translation found here and the cheap copy of the Catechism found here and you'll be set for a long while.
This question was just asked on /r/Christianity. Here was my response:
If you are just getting started, I would recommend the catechisms. The Catechism of the Catholic Church (CCC), depending on your background, may be a bit heavy. I have given people in RCIA the New American Catechism #3 and they love it. Direct and simple explanations of the dogmas of the faith with references back to the CCC and Vatican II.
Also, you should look into getting a good Catholic Study Bible. For beginners, I recommend the Catholic Bible, Personal Study Edition. For the more advanced, the Catholic Study Bible.
When you say "study bible" do you mean a concordance or something academic?
I've had my Oxford Press Catholic Study Bible for years now and I've just about worn it out. I can't speak enough about its thoroughness There's a footnote about nearly every other verse and an essay on every book.
However, while it takes spirituality seriously it belongs to the "historical-critical" school of scriptural studies. The scholars will give you great information on the ancient world, controversies in translation, maps, and other things to help you understand the bible academically. That said, there are also notes about how modern scholars believe years of jubilee weren't conducted as proscribed, or that Jericho was not a walled city at the time the walls were supposed to have fallen at a trumpet blast. It doesn't discount the existence of miracles, just makes mention of when the bible seems to be in conflict with archeology or something and why the authors may have written it as they did. On the whole I recommend it.
For a theological meditation on scripture you probably want a commentary.
> Le journalist who's never picked up the Bible in their life
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Uh, ok.
If you believe in this kind of stuff, I have a great book to suggest. It's really exciting and will blow your mind.
Link
When I needed a Bible for one of my classes, we were assigned The Oxford Study Bible. It is pretty extensively annotated and provides a lot of background info.
I dislike the ESV Study Bible - it obscures or dismisses the scholarly consensus on many books, which is academically dishonest.
I highly recommend the Access Bible. Its notes represent mainstream biblical scholarship. It uses the NRSV, which is a cousin of the ESV and is actually easier to read in my opinion (you can compare them on BibleGateway.com - the NRSV and the ESV are both revisions of the RSV.)
I would also recommend the New Oxford Annotated Bible.. It's a little more technical and meaty than the Access Bible. It also uses the NRSV. More importantly, its notes are excellent and represent mainstream biblical scholarship. It comes in an older edition (with shorter, more conservative notes) using the RSV (which is the basis for the ESV and very similar to it.)
Another study Bible I like is the Oxford Study Bible. This uses the REB (Revised English Bible) - this is a British translation that is not related to the RSV/NRSV/ESV family. It's a fresh, creative and easy to read translation that nicely complements the formal translations.
Finally, there is the Norton Critical Edition of the English Bible, KJV. It's very unique for a study Bible, because it focuses on how the KJV influenced English literature. Although the KJV is hard to read, the notes clarify some of the obscure English language.
So... I guess the lesson is that there are a lot of choices out there. But since you're a beginner, I'd highly recommend the Access Bible before you explore the other stuff.
The aptly-named Catholic Study Bible contains a very accessible translation, and good footnotes that explain historical context and some doctrinal points. There are a few questionable comments, but not so many that I wouldn't recommend it to you. It's on Amazon here: https://www.amazon.com/Catholic-Study-Bible-Donald-Senior/dp/0195297768
The New Revised Standard Version is generally considered the most accurate. Two excellent annotated versions of this translation are the HarperCollins Study Bible and the New Oxford Annotated Bible.
The New American Bible is another good scholarly translation. It includes book introductions and footnotes which the copyright holder won't permit the translation to be printed without. I slightly prefer this translation because it doesn't make hundreds of verses plural to avoid the appearance of sexism; for example, the NRSV translates Psalm 1:1 "happy are those who do not follow the advice of the wicked," but the NABRE translates more literally, "blessed is the man who does not walk in the counsel of the wicked."
If you would prefer a more word-for-word literal translation, my recommendation is the New American Standard Bible, which literally renders idioms in the original languages, e.g., "seed of Abraham" where the NRSV or NABRE would have "descendants of Abraham."
I actually have a bible called the Apologetics Study Bible haha. It doesn't give all the answers, and sometimes the answers aren't the best I think, but it does give many good answers and is a great resource to have with you.
http://www.amazon.com/Apologetics-Study-Bible-Understand-Believe/dp/158640024X
Link if you wanna buy it by any chance.
Also, for some other names, look at Ravi Zacharias, Lee Strobel (The author of the Case for Christ book I think), Norm Geisler, and John Lennox.
>https://www.amazon.com/Holy-Bible-Standard-Thumb-Burgundy/dp/1432102400/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1485357852&sr=8-2&keywords=King+James+Bible
WHAT!?!? That one doesn't even include the Apocrypha. All legitimate editions of the KJV have the Apocrypha.
I think https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_xp9_JYrg8 is one of them. It's available on Amazon. http://www.amazon.com/Johnny-Cash-Reads-Complete-Testament/dp/0718006771
it was falling out of fashion at the time of publication, from what i understand... with the exception of a few regional dialects, and as /u/CRCulver said, the quakers.
i wrote a paper that needed me to research the making of the kjv 1611 and what i found most interesting was that comparative studies show that a large majority of the kjv 1611 (upwards of 70%, in the new testament!) was taken from william tyndale’s 1526 translation... you know, when thou/thee/thine was really a thing. so that's one reason why those forms are still found in the 1611 translation, i guess? (if you're interested in this sort of thing, i highly recommend this book, though it definitely isn't a linguistic text, obviously.)
Bible: https://www.amazon.com/Douay-Rheims-Bible-Burgundy-Premium-UltraSoft/dp/1935302027/ref=sr_1_5?crid=1S6EDTQPMCYQX&keywords=douay+rheims+catholic+bible&qid=1562475135&s=gateway&sprefix=douay+r%2Caps%2C204&sr=8-5
Or maybe: https://www.amazon.com/Didache-Commentaries-Catechism-Catholic-Church/dp/1586179721/ref=sr_1_6?keywords=ignatius+bible&qid=1562475186&s=gateway&sr=8-6
Rosary: https://www.cordbands.com/collections/battle-beads/products/kc-wwibb-silver
Smaller ones: https://www.cordbands.com/collections/pocket-rosaries
The best book on this is God's Secretaries by Nicolson. It is the history of how the 1611 King James edition of the Bible came into being. Understand that there were many bibles previous to this one: Geneva Bible, Bishops Bible, Catholic Bible, Tyndale Bible, etc. King James wanted only one - his.
> This section, along with the preceding one describing the “stream” rising up to water the ground (2.6), may draw on the ancient tradition that a temple is built on a primal mountain of creation from which the waters of the earth flow. The rivers mentioned here combine world rivers like the Tigris and Euphrates (both in Mesopotamia) with the local Gihon that flowed from Mount Zion in Jerusalem (Ps 46.4; Isa 7.6; Zech 14.8), although Cush is generally either Ethiopia or in Arabia. Pishon is unknown; Havilah is probably in Arabia.
> Where are the ancient centers of civilization according to the Bible? The answer to this is hinted at in the
description of the four rivers emerging from the Garden of Eden. It is natural that the ancients should
believe the rivers of Eden to be those flowing through the lands most abundant in water, the foremost
being the Tigris and the Euphrates in Mesopotamia. The Pishon and the Gihon have not been identified
and may have merely been symbolic. But since Havilah is one of the regions of Cush (Gen. 10:7), it would seem that the two major branches of the Nile (the Blue and the White) may have been intended.
Ignatius Bible
Didache Bible. This one is keyed to the Catechism.
I've got a Douai-Rheims and Challoner Revision of the DR, both of which have the excellent Haydock Commentary.
Catena Aurea Online is free, kindle version is inexpensive, leather bound is spendy.
Tell him to read this. It will freak him the fuck out.
> There is no gay Bible
Actually...
as flawed as it is, the most accessible translation out there of the Hebrew Bible is the JPS: this one is the newest.
for a fascinating, sometimes awkward, but totally totally literal translation of the Torah (only the first give), check out Everett Fox's translation
lastly, got to put a plug in for a Jewish translation of the NT recently published called The Jewish Annotated New Testament - it may help clarify Jewish readings of Christian scripture and vice versa.
Good news!
Other comments are correct- BHS and NA28. You should also get a Septuagint. There's a reader's edition of the LXX coming out later this year.
http://www.amazon.com/Johnny-Cash-Reads-Complete-Testament/dp/0718006771/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1330929977&sr=8-2
I like the Catholic Study Bible. The translation isn't exactly what you'd get in the NIV, but it's in the ballpark. Also, the reading guides, introductions, and footnotes for each book are really good. The Ignatius Study Bible that u/Pope-Urban-III mentioned has even better footnotes, but as also mentioned, they haven't published the OT yet. You can find lots of the individual OT books in the same format by them, but they haven't finished all of them yet, it seems.
edit: The Catholic Study Bible's footnotes aren't where most of the theology is. They mostly deal with clarifying language, providing reference to other verses or events, or some literary context. The reading guides go into much more detail on the theological significance of this or that section.
I have this one. No English.
http://www.amazon.com/Johnny-Cash-Reads-Complete-Testament/dp/0718006771
I actually have two other study bibles: the Harper-Collins Study NRSV Bible and Oxford Study Bible: Revised English Bible with the Apocrypha -- think those would be okay?
I'm not sure if I need anything more than that, but I wanted to make sure I was getting everything I needed to get out of reading it. I'm kind of afraid of trying to interpret everything myself without expert advice backing me up.
Using this statistic from Guiness World Records, it is estimated there is about 5 billion copies of the Bible in circulation.
I'll use the New American Standard Bible here for reference. It's, according to the seller's information, 1 inch thick.
That's 5 billion inches, or about 78 914 miles, or 127 000 kilometres. With the Earth's width of 40 075 kilometres, that's enough to circle the world 3 times over.
If we laid all those bibles side by side face down, they'd make a total surface area of 221.4 billion square inches, 55.15 square miles, or 142.8 square kilometres. With that much pavement, you could encircle the world with a road 1.2 yards (1.1 metres) across.
There is an edition of it called the Queen James Bible.
https://www.amazon.ca/Queen-James-Bible-God/dp/0615724531
Alter is wonderful. If you have the time, I'd also highly recommend the available Everett Fox translations. His Genesis, particularly, is breathtaking.
Here you go.
https://www.amazon.com/American-Standard-Bible-Foundation-Publication/dp/1885217951/ref=sr_1_7?ie=UTF8&qid=1500238149&sr=8-7&keywords=bible
Or the Oxford Study Bible if you want a print version.
>Is this in paperback yet? I can't drop $50 on a hardcover.
I don't know your country, but Amazon sells the hardcover for $26 if you can buy it there.
here it is, if your lazy. This reminds me, my parents have two copies, I should pilfer one.
This is because she has somehow become involved in vampire stories. The Apologetics Study Bible has a brief bit on Lilith and vampires: "Modern-day vampires trace their origins to this verse and the mythical figure of Lilith, who was supposedly created before Eve. The legend of Lilith derives from a theory that Genesis has two creation accounts (this verse [1:27] and 2:7, 20-22). The two stories allow for two different women. Lilith does not appear in the Bible (apart from a debatable reference comparing her to a screech owl in the Hb [Hebrew] text of Is 34:14). Some rabbinic commentators, however, refer to Lilith as the first created woman, who refused to submit to Adam and fled from the garden. Eve was then created to be Adam's helper. After their expulsion from the garden, Adam reunited for a time with Lilith before finally returning to Eve. Lilith bore Adam a number of children, who became the demons of the Bible. According to kabbalistic legend, after Adam's reconciliation with Eve, Lilith took the title Queen of the Demons and became a murderer of infants and young boys, whom she turned into vampires."
This link leads to Isiah 34:14 in all English translations, because it easily shows the wide variance in translation for this verse. This variance is likely caused by different translations following different textual schools. Specifically note the rendering of "night monster."
I would start by reading Dei Verbum. Also, the first 500 pages of this are a wonderful introduction to understanding scripture written by some of the best biblical scholars there are.
If you have a more specific question (and I know something about it) I will attempt an answer.
While I won't dispute the veracity of the post, calling someone on BS when they say they've read the Quran seems strange. What am I missing here:
Quran: 502 pages
Bible: 1002 pages
Of course, different versions will have different size fonts, page counts, etc. Heck, the Quran you're thinking of may have included the Torah, Zabur, Injil and other holy texts but the Quran could just mean the Quran. If so, reading both that and the Bible at an early age is hardly exceptional.
Here is a link to the New Testament on Amazon. It is a new translation based on the Patriarchal Text of 1904. The Orthodox Study Bible is a totally different project.
There is precious little on the internet about whether the Old Testament is in the works or not.
Lol. You might also want to tell /r/Christianity about The Bible.
Carr's book is gospel in this subreddit. Thanks for thinking of us though. :-)
If you are looking for the Septuagint version of the Old Testament, try the Brenton translation (parallel Greek/English).
If you are looking for the Masoretic Text version, I recommend the Oxford Jewish Study Bible (2nd ed.).
>Its quite absurd how they believe some 1500 years after Jesus God finally got around to giving mankind the TRUE word of God
Not only that, when the KJV first came out, it was almost universally rejected, due to its authoritarian tone- no one alive at the time actually spoke that way, with all the "Thou shalt" and such. It was only about a century later that it became widely adopted.
There's a book called God's Secretaries about the committee of 70-ish people who worked to make the KJV at the King's request; it's a pretty good read if you find that sort of thing interesting- it has a secular tone and isn't written with the intent of praising the divine word of gee-oh-dee. ;)
The US Catholic Church uses the New American Bible, so that's the translation you'll be hearing at Mass if you're in the US. So, just search New American Bible and go with that. I would even recommend getting a study Bible to help you understand what's happening and how things relate to other parts of the Bible, because it can be confusing. Just as a recommendation, this one is fantastic.
There are quite a few sources on understanding the Mass. I would look up the Order of the Mass and maybe try reading through that and following along during Mass, so you understand what is being said and also know what to say.
The Catechism is fantastic. Here is a pretty safe bet on getting started with reading that and something to use as reference.
If you're interested in reading the Summa Theologica, there are shorter versions like Summa of the Summa, which, while still not too short, condense down the most important information and make it easier for somebody without as much time to at least get the general idea.
Good luck on your journey, as I am currently doing the same and am in RCIA, but I've been doing my research for quite a while and am very excited for the coming year!
Well my friend, good luck with trying to change people's minds, ever. If you refuse to even read other's opinions and discussions about their views, I doubt you will ever hold a civil discussion regarding religious differences.
Here incase you decide to try compassion instead of closed mindedness, this is a great place to start! Best of luck. Also this but apparently we read it's message differently.
Rahlfs' edition of the Septuagint has the Greek text with critical apparatus and an introduction, but no commentary as far as I know.
There's also a recent edition of the Byzantine text by VTR Publications.
Not exactly what you're looking for, but they seem to be the best option available.
Oh, I had no idea. I'll absolutely do that. Do you know when it's releasing?
EDIT: Found it. Looks like October. Thanks for the heads up! Pre-ordering.
This is the link to buy the NOAB on Amazon:
New Oxford Annotated Bible
It’s offered in a variety of formats, but I think the hardcover (which is akin to a textbook binding) is the best value.
The paperback binding makes the physical book too flimsy in my opinion. I have a similar Bible, the HarperCollins Study Bible (edited by scholars of the Society of Biblical Literature), in paperback and its “floppiness” drives me batty.
NOAB is in its fifth edition, but it is not substantially different from the fourth edition, so you can buy a used copy of the latter for under $20 USD. The third edition is also a good buy—it still incorporates the NRSV as the base text and can be had for $11 USD used. There were substantial changes between the third and fourth editions, including formatting and layout. (Some folks actually like the font used for the biblical text in the third edition over the one used in subsequent editions.)
As for reading strategies, you might like the brisk pacing of Mark (usually considered the first Gospel to be written and used as a literary source for Matthew and Luke, both of which include other material such as the birth narratives not covered by Mark). The Gospel of John, thought to be composed much later, is structured quite differently for various theological and rhetorical purposes.
The NOAB study notes will prove helpful as you read the biblical text, as well as the book introductions and a number of essays that are found in the appendices. Keep in mind that the individual biblical scholars who were engaged to write the notes are working against space limitations (lest a 2400-page book become a 4800-page book), so some of their annotations will be brief as a result. If you have more questions concerning the text there are other specialized resources available (e.g., individual commentaries) in which scholars have more space to address various questions one may pose of the text.
I have this collection https://www.amazon.com/Lost-Books-Bible-Forgotten-Meridian/dp/0452009448/ref=tmm_pap_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=1539492052&sr=8-4 which seems to be okay. Not sure how good the translation is but it’s probably decent. It has some junk like the Infancy Gospels (TBF they do have some interest because false prophet Muhammad got some of his ideas from these books.) but it also has all the works of the Apostolic Fathers that you list except for 2 Polycarp and Diognetus. I personally really like Hermas so far. And of course the KJV Apocrypha https://www.amazon.com/Apocrypha-King-James-Version/dp/0521506743/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1539492693&sr=8-2&keywords=kjv+apocrypha and the Septuagint translated by Brenton https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0913573442/ref=ox_sc_saved_title_1?smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER&psc=1.
I've had this version of the Septuagint sitting in my Amazon wishlist for quite a while (despite not being able to read Greek).
I'm inferring from the top listed review that it's in Koine Greek, and hasn't been adapted into modern Greek, but I wouldn't swear to it.
If you're looking for a solid Orthodox New Testament with study notes; I recommend EOB: The Eastern Greek Orthodox New Testament
The Ancient Commentary on Scripture Series (published by InterVarsity) has in-depth patristic commentary on individual books of the Bible. It goes verse-by-verse, so it sounds like what you're looking for. If you want patristic/medieval commentary for free, this site is quite good: https://sites.google.com/site/aquinasstudybible/home .
As for Bible translations, Fr. Thomas Hopko once recommended the RSV (plus the apocrypha) for balancing readability and literalness. I myself like the KJV, but the RSV is quite good: Ignatius press publishes a good edition.
Fr. Laurent Cleenewerck, an OCA (?) priest, is working on translating the Bible from the official Greek of the Orthodox Church. He has only finished the New Testament. But you can pair it with Lancelot Brenton's (old) translation of the Septuagint.
For what its worth, Richard Hays has recently published a book explaining figural exegesis (the method for interpreting the bible that the Fathers use), called [Reading Backward] (https://www.amazon.com/Reading-Backwards-Figural-Christology-Fourfold/dp/1481302337/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1500494710&sr=8-3&keywords=richard+hayes).
https://www.amazon.com/Bible-Cockney-Mike-Coles/dp/1841012173
At the end of October, Orthodox scholar David Bentley Hart has a translation of the New Testament coming out that looks quite promising
If your son is academically up to it the Revised English Oxford Study Bible(blue cover) is an amazing resource with very detailed footnotes written by historians and theologians, introductions to the context/history/genre/etc of each text, and a long section of academic articles on different topics.
While some things might be a bit beyond his years the translation is excellent and understandable, and the wealth of knowledge in it will be relevant as he continues to learn and deepen his own understanding.
EDIT: amazon link - http://www.amazon.com/The-Oxford-Study-Bible-Apocrypha/dp/0195290003
Tell him you thought he was starting a book club and send him one back.
The Queen James Bible https://www.amazon.com/dp/0615724531/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_R8pUAbG3HB9KH
someone send this to him
http://www.amazon.com/Johnny-Cash-Reads-Complete-Testament/dp/0718006771
I don't know about a list, but there are resources. Cuck mentioned study bibles, and those are great. When I started taking religious studies classes in college, I got the Oxford Study Bible, and the essays in that were quite helpful.
If you don't want to put out that kind of money, though, use an online Bible and Wikipedia. If you start with Genesis, read this first. If you flip to Chronicles, try this. Not sure what constitues a gospel? Who was Paul writing to in Galatia?
Some would disagree, but I think just picking up a Bible and starting to read it all by itself is rather useless. You need context. That means putting in a lot of work.
Oh, the reviews on Amazon for that one are also a bucket of laughs! Except for feeling bad that people believe that shit and it scares them...
edited for wrong thig put in at first
>Edit: any recommendations for the most "unbiased" versions?
You might consider the New Oxford Annotated Bible. Here’s a bit from the blurb:
>For over 50 years students, professors, clergy, and general readers have relied on The New Oxford Annotated Bible as an unparalleled authority in Study Bibles. This fifth edition of the Annotated remains the best way to study and understand the Bible at home or in the classroom. This thoroughly revised and substantially updated edition contains the best scholarship informed by recent discoveries and anchored in the solid Study Bible tradition.
You might also consider The Study Qur’an. A bit from its blurb:
>Drawn from a wide range of traditional Islamic commentaries, including Sunni and Shia sources, and from legal, theological, and mystical texts, The Study Quran conveys the enduring spiritual power of the Quran and offers a thorough scholarly understanding of this holy text.
https://www.amazon.com/Manga-Bible-NLT-Tyndale/dp/1414316798
From what I can tell, this isn't a full manga, but a text based bible with some manga pages/illustrations. There is, however, this series, which seems to be from the same production, but are full graphic novels.
I have been told by many that the Fox translation is the most faithful to the poetry and the meaning and it keeps as much of word play of the original as possible.
Actually, yes
Of course thats a thing. Now I have to learn Klingon !
I've all but stopped coming to this sub.
The idea that Christianity is a matter of opinion and personal interpretation has done immeasurable harm to those truly seeking Christ. Without guidance, "every man his own Pope" quickly becomes every man his own god, and his own holy writ.
I genuinely despair for the honest one seeking Christ that comes to this place in hopes of finding Truth. So much half-understood Scripture, so much heresy masked as "this is what I feel is true," and so much outright mental illness using the name of Jesus where someone else might use Xenu or Bigfoot.
This post will get downvoted all to hell and back, but to the true seekers, I say: don't look for Christ on an anonymous internet forum. Read the Epistle to the Romans – this new translation is amazing. Read Lost to the West, a great book on the history of the early Church in context of the Eastern Roman Empire. And find a church where you can be guided properly.
Get the New Oxford Annotated. It has a lot of current scholarly essays, notes, graphs, maps, etc. It's in readable English (none of that King James nonsense), so you'll actually understand what's being said. You only need to read the KJV if you specifically want to argue with old people and fundamentalists. If you want to understand the Bible for yourself, get something in your language. ;) this was the one I got for myself at the advice of r/AcademicBiblical. It's been good.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/0190276088/ref=dp_ob_neva_mobile
Edit: for your mobile device, try the YouVersion Holy Bible app and read the NET version. It also has a lot of notes, but they are a lot more theologically motivated sometimes than the more scholarly notes from the Oxford Annotated.
App:
https://www.youversion.com/the-bible-app/
NET:
https://netbible.org/reader
For real, my parents got me a "manga Bible" several years ago when I started watching anime. I... didn't read it. It's in a cupboard somewhere.
That is it based on byzantine texts is foundational, and some even argue that the king imposed personal translation rules, I can recommend this book as a good but not extremely heavy reading on the subject. If one think the byzantine texts are corrupt, well, all serious scholars I've heard or read think so. Here wlc takes a clear stance on the matter.
Here.
May I suggest the Queen James Bible for all your personal agenda needs
If you believe in hell, you should read the book 23 Minutes in Hell by Bill Wiese! Definitely a thought provoking book, even if you don't believe its author was truthful!
http://www.amazon.com/23-Minutes-In-Hell-Torment/dp/1591858828
Look at what's available to you. Read some things. Attend churches that focus less on it being a religion and more so it being a relationship with God. Talk to the pastors there about your issues with Christianity. Make it a priority in your life to find truth. Go where the evidence takes you. No matter where it does, you're going to have to take a leap of faith since no side can be proven totally 100% true.
I recommend Lee Strobel's Case for a Creator, and Norman L. Geisler and Frank Turek's I Don't Have Enough Faith to be an Atheist, The Apologetic's Study Bible, The Complete C. S. Lewis Signature Classics, Cold-Case Christianity: A Homicide Detective Investigates the Claims of the Gospels by J. Warner Wallace, and really just Apologetics in general
Apologies if I haven't been clear in my previous points. I would encourage you to read through the entire Jewish Old Testament (the TaNaKh) and see if you find a different emphasis in the flow of the text vs. the christian old testament. It would be very hard to understand my argument without really getting a sense for how the order of the books can shape the focus of the text. The key here is you have to read it all. Most christians like to read snippets from a book in the bible and then find some applied truth for themselves but these books (for the most part) were not written as fortune cookies (exception of psalms proverbs and songs of solomon) but were written as books that should be read in their entirety. My point rests heavily on understanding how editing the order of these books alters the narrative and philosophical emphasis, so I would encourage you to really look at the TaNaKh or for starters even Everrett Fox's The Five Books of Moses which is a transliteration of the Torah and see what these texts were to the people who wrote them.
As for your requests, there are many other gospels from different sects of christianity. The two that come to mind for me are the gospel of thomas and the gospel of judas. For further contrast look into the church of ethiopia to get a sense of what a non-western christian church is and how it differs theologically from the christianity that originated in Rome.
http://www.amazon.com/Bible-Cockney-Well-Bits-Anyway/dp/1841012173
> ...capitalism, in its original form, values capital more than labour
Here you go
If you haven't yet, look into apologetics, the study of explaining seeming inconsistencies and offenses in Christianity and the Bible.
[Holy Bible: King James Version]
(http://www.amazon.com/Holy-Bible-King-James-Version/dp/1585161519/ref=sr_1_3?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1331623800&sr=1-3&tag=bookforyoudm-20)
I recommend the Oxford Study Bible as a study bible. I use the The HarperCollins Study Bible but after using the OSB at the library I much prefer the former. The bid difference may be that HarperCollins uses the NRSV (Oxford uses the REB)--if I recall correctly the NRSV is the preferred translation for theologians.
There are several Orthodox English translations, although only one that covers the entire Bible - this one:
https://www.amazon.com/Orthodox-Study-Bible-Hardcover-Christianity/dp/0718003594/
Several other (arguably better) Orthodox translations also exist, but only covering parts of the Bible - usually the New Testament. Here is a good one for example:
https://www.amazon.com/EOB-Orthodox-Testament-Patriarchal-extensive/dp/148191765X/
Not exactly what you are looking for, but you may want to check out The Five Books of Moses, a translation of the Torah by Everett Fox. This is my personal favourite translation. It's unique in the English language in that Mr Fox's primary goal in translation was to keep the poetry, vocabulary, and syntax of the Hebrew as closely replicated as possible. It's really quite a beautiful read, even apart from it being the Torah, and gives a huge amount of insight as to recurring themes, wordplay, and historical contexts that have been lost in translations aimed to make it more 'easily understood'. There are also many, many footnotes involved.
Amazon link: https://www.amazon.com/23-Minutes-Hell-Story-Torment/dp/1591858828/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1540526945&sr=1-1&keywords=23+minutes+in+hell+by+bill+wiese
I’m jumping in on this to get opinions on NETS for the OT and this translation of the Patriarchal Recension NT.
OP, to give one answer to your question, NRSVs are easy and cheap to come by with all the deuterocanonicals, but the books won’t be in the right order and the protocanonical translations will be Masoretic-Septuagint hybrids.
https://www.amazon.com/Holy-Bible-Standard-Thumb-Burgundy/dp/1432102400/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1498229043&sr=8-5&keywords=king+james+thumb+index
I think this is the one!!
I always enjoy the Jewish Annotated New Testament or the New Oxford Annotated Study Bible. Both use the NRSV with top-notch commentary and essays. The NOASB is often used in academic biblical courses in universities, for example.
https://www.amazon.com/Bible-Cockney-Mike-Coles/dp/1841012173
I think his name is Bill Wiese.
This already exists. I own it.
http://www.amazon.com/The-Apologetics-Study-Bible-Understand/dp/158640024X
https://www.amazon.com/EOB-Orthodox-Testament-Patriarchal-extensive/dp/148191765X/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1480517056&sr=8-3&keywords=the+eastern+orthodox+bible
It was in the introduction to the gospel of matthew in this book. Despite the heavily theological appearance, the notes actually widely depart from typical Christian beliefs and are all written by liberal scholars.
It has greek and English translations both, on opposing pages. And it tends more toward the literal interpretation than the "practical" spirit of the text. I think it's a good cross-reference to King James and other "practical" translations for that reason - because of the differing approach.
That said, I am by no means a biblical scholar, or even a Christian. This is just my opinion based on the small amount of biblical reading that I've done myself.
edit: This is the version I have, although I have an electronic version so it's more difficult to read:
https://www.amazon.com/Septuagint-Apocrypha-Greek-English/dp/0913573442/ref=pd_cp_14_2?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=77P7MJ7V7VC5X6KS9NR0
An example passage comparison from one of the Amazon reviews (the review also has two pictures of the book so you can see how the greek & English texts are aligned on the page/paginated):
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Proverbs 15:28 KJV:
The heart of the righteous studieth to answer: but the mouth of the wicked poureth out evil things.
Proverbs 15:28 Septuagint:
The hearts of the righteous meditate faithfulness; but the mouth of the ungodly answers evil things. The ways of righteous men are acceptable with the Lord; and through them even enemies become friends.
This guy claims he did and (of course) wrote a book about his experience.
There is also a cokney bible.
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Bible-Cockney-Well-Bits-Anyway/dp/1841012173
It looks like you have a lot of questions about the bible and most of them see to revolve around contradictions, wording and interpreting the couture of that day from the standpoint of the culture of our day.
You may want to get The Apologetics Study Bible: Understand Why You Believe. It explains and adds context to a lot of the tricky parts of the Bible. And if you don't like it, then at least your better understanding of the Bible will help you make arguments that can hold some water and stand up under scrutiny. ;)
This one.
I'm not one to defend quite409, but in this I have to agree. I never felt the exact pronunciation was important for the same reason that we say Jesus. We don't say Yeshuah or Yehoshuah and are not ever certain if had 2 or 3 syllables in his day. And yet "there is not another name under heaven by which we must be saved."
Yahweh is not accepted by all bible scholars. Everett Fox, who wrote the Five Books of Moses ( https://www.amazon.com/Five-Books-Moses-Leviticus-Deuteronomy/dp/0805211195 )- an amazing translation that tries to pay attention to the word play, puns, and onomatopoeia that came from listening to the words, which was the experience most of it's audience had.- in his forward, discussed which version of the name was best and his was Yahve I think.
In any case, I don't think it matters from a biblical standpoint.
And I especially dont think it matters since I don't believe in the bible or in Jehovah in the slightest. No skin off my back.
Even if I did, I'd never serve him. He is a sociopath.
I was gonna say something to u/quite409 about birthdays and pagan origins. But, eh. Not worth it.
Apparently yeah https://www.amazon.com/Klingon-Language-Version-English-Psalms-ebook/dp/B003UHVIOC
http://www.amazon.com/23-Minutes-In-Hell-Torment/dp/1591858828 ???
Read the first page of that once and it states that Hell's on the inside and gives an approximate distance from the surface in feet...
Here is a really interesting book about how the KJV came into being:
http://www.amazon.com/Gods-Secretaries-Making-James-Bible/dp/0060838736/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1376153086&sr=1-1&keywords=god%27s+secretaries
Would this be the Didache you're talking about? https://www.amazon.ca/Didache-Bible-RSV-Commentaries-Catechism-Catholic/dp/1586179721
It looks beautiful and I love what you've said so far about the commentary, etc.
Manga Messiah, Manga Bible
If it is this version the OP is thinking of ( https://www.amazon.com/Septuagint-Apocrypha-Greek-English/dp/0913573442 ), the Apocrypha is not usually in the Bible...
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Will it help someone's faith - perhaps, perhaps not.
> It's not an XY problem. It would be if he wanted to make a game and asked about writing an engine.
*facepalm* The nature of an XY problem is that you can't know that.
> He obviously knows his shit so why would he write a book on developing game engines
Because he knows how to make engines, people exist who want to make them, and therefore making a book on that subject will generate money. You can get books that teach you how to sacrifice animals (this is a popular one); that doesn't make it a good idea. Of course, that doesn't make it a bad idea either; the point is that the existence of a book is completely irrelevant.
> And what about Unity?
Staffed by veteran game developers who have written numerous games.
You seem to be missing the point. It's not that the OP can't write a "game engine" -- it's not that it won't be a useful exercise, that he won't learn anything -- it's that it's not the most effective use of his time.
The difference between concert violinist and the thousands of hopefuls who never make it that far is not typically raw talent, it's that the best players know how to practice. They get more out of an hour's practice that you get out of three. Multiply by 15 years and they've got a massive advantage.
The OP will learn more about how to write a game engine by trying to write a game, and subsequently trying to use that code to write another game, so on and so forth, than just trying to imagine what a generalized game engine looks like and coding against that.
In fact, this is true of development in general. The reason agile practices are so popular now is that it turns out minimizing scope and writing code that solves actual problems then iterating works better than trying to anticipate everything you could possibly need up front and writing that (i.e. "waterfall").
And he'll learn far more than looking at existing game engines and aping them, which is what you seem to be suggesting, because he'll actually understand the motivation for their features, and he'll get to gain that understanding from the bottom up in simpler contexts that a modern, feature rich game engine.
There's also a version translated into Klingon.
I really, really like Johnny Cash' reading of the New Testament - especially when he reads, "Wooooe to you, Pharisees. Hypocrites!"
For the Old, I don't think you can beat James Earl Jones - but get the version without the musical score
Though not an academic history I found this book enlightening on the early days of the COE. https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0060838736/ref=pd_sim_14_1?ie=UTF8&pd_rd_i=0060838736&pd_rd_r=JYZZ0GA7B9YR2T616PC4&pd_rd_w=SOm8I&pd_rd_wg=Zf2WD&psc=1&refRID=JYZZ0GA7B9YR2T616PC4
>The King James Bible remains the most influential Bible translation of all time. Its elegant style and the exalted cadences of its poetry and prose echo forcefully in Shakespeare, Milton, T.S. Eliot and Reynolds Price. As travel writer Nicolson points out, however, the path to the completion of the translation wasn't smooth. When James took the throne in England in early 1603, he inherited a country embroiled in theological controversy. Relishing a good theological debate, the king appointed himself as a mediator between the Anglicans and the reformist Puritans, siding in the end with the Anglican Church as the party that posed the least political threat to his authority. As a result of these debates, James agreed to commission a new translation of the Bible as an olive branch to the Puritans. Between 1604 and 1611, various committees engaged in making a new translation that attended more to the original Greek and Hebrew than had earlier versions. Nicolson deftly chronicles the personalities involved, and breezily narrates the political and religious struggles of the early 17th century. Yet, the circumstances surrounding this translation are already well known from two earlier books-Benson Bobrick's Wide as the Waters and Alister McGrath's In the Beginning-and this treatment adds little that is new. Although Nicolson succeeds at providing insight into the diverse personalities involved in making the King James Bible, Bobrick's remains the most elegant and comprehensive treatment of the process.
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Jesus said and taught quite a few things
https://www.amazon.com/Holy-Bible-Standard-Thumb-Burgundy/dp/1432102400/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1485357852&sr=8-2&keywords=King+James+Bible
Hey, check out this site: http://www.str.org/site/PageServer
It is ran by a man named Greg Koukl. He is a Christian Apologist based out of California. His main goal is to make "christian ambassadors" and prep them to give clear, precise answers to some of the hardest challenges we face today. The site has great articles and study materials about almost anything that you could need. He also airs a weekly radio program called "stand to reason" which is on 2-5 Sundays. I believe he has been on the air for more than twenty years and the back catalog of free podcasts is astounding. I can tell you from personal experience that my faith has grown leaps and bounds since discovering this ministry as well as my ability to reach out to non-believers.
I was tired of only being able to give answers like "well, the Bible says" and "i was told in church that"...these arguments will get you no where. I strongly recommend checking out the site and the podcast archive as well as some of the books that they recommend.
Other than that, i saw someone mention Lee Strobel's books which are very good and worth the read. I also would suggest getting an apologetic study Bible. Here is the one I use: http://www.amazon.com/Apologetics-Study-Bible-Understand-Believe/dp/158640024X/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1292216686&sr=8-1 , but that is just one of many that you can choose from.
After doing some real studying the last couple of years, I can honestly say that a lot of the "hard hitting arguments" that you mentioned, hold no water
Hope this helps.
https://www.amazon.com/Holy-Bible-Standard-Thumb-Burgundy/dp/1432102400/ref=mp_s_a_1_3?keywords=bible&qid=1558012637&s=gateway&sr=8-3