(Part 2) Best camping furniture according to redditors

> Shelter consists of a hammock (yo, micro-size tent gang. convince me I'm wrong.

People in Western Oklahoma and most of Kansas mock your hammock.

What if there are no trees or poles sturdy enough to mount the hammock?

YES!! Ask for the ADA sticker if you are experiencing "health issues" and are having difficulty standing and waiting for long hours and otherwise feel "compromised". They do not require "proof" of why someone is having health issues or what those health issues are.

• Also, you might want to modify your SDCC plans. Instead of going the entire day, you might be forced to go back to your room and rest, then return. That will be your judgement onsite.
  
  
• You should also be cautious about standing in outdoor lines in the direct sun. You should even be realistic about waiting in extremely long lines anywhere at SDCC if it appears that you won't feel well.
  
  
• You should BRING A SMALL CAMPING STOOL. There are many available on Amazon and you still have time to get one. This one was recommended by another subredditor as being a life-saver: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00363WYWU/ref=ox_sc_act_title_2?smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER&psc=1 It is also very light weight. I use the tripod style camping stools like this one: https://www.amazon.com/PORTAL-Slacker-Folding-Outdoor-Camping/dp/B073XDCQ4M/ref=sr_1_8?crid=2P1OZCIWTMYPS&keywords=tripod+camping+stool&qid=1562624571&s=sporting-goods&sprefix=tripod+camping+stools%2Csporting%2C206&sr=1-8 I'm very happy with it, but it is a bit bulkier, like carrying a poster tube. Do a search for tripod camping stools to see a large selection.
  
  
• It would be wise to carry some paperwork with you in case you fall ill and the paramedics want to know more. You can just keep something with you that explains your situation and how you've been feeling during your first trimester.
  
  
• There is a "mother's lounge" somewhere where people rest with their babies and children and there are private nursing areas. Maybe resting on-and-off will help. You will have to ask about this when you are at SDCC.
  
  
• There have been other people on this sub who have discussed attending SDCC while pregnant. I'm not sure how well the search will work, but you can try a sub search and see if you can read those posts.

Thanks for the kind words /u/EatMoarToads. Enjoy your time on the Appalachian Trail! Its a beautiful area and I'm sure you'll have a great time.

I'm sure you are thoroughly prepping for the trip, but my 1 suggestion for hikers is always to look into hiking covered hammocks rather than having to bring a tent/pad/etc. This one is inexpensive and has pretty good reviews on Amazon... but there are a LOT of options out there

We'll be here arguing and speculating over Tesla whenever you get back :)

That looks overpriced, also they don't show you anything about how you hang it, I would suggest it would be like a gathered end hammock but with no explanation I'm pretty lost here.

If you're looking to save money you could get a grand trunk for 19.00 or so http://www.amazon.com/Grand-Trunk-GT-05-Ultralight-Hammock/dp/B001AIBJSI

Or you could get an ENO for the price of the hammock you list http://www.amazon.com/Eagles-Nest-Outfitters-SingleNest-Hammock/dp/B001DDPG9I/ref=sr_1_1?s=sporting-goods&ie=UTF8&qid=1346975200&sr=1-1&keywords=ENo just make sure you get the 42 dollar one.

All three of these hammocks are going to need a suspension system. You can read all about that here http://www.hammockforums.net/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=86

Now if you're not going camping and just going to hang in the back yard I would suggest the texsport la paz
http://www.amazon.com/Texsport-14258-La-Paz-Hammock/dp/B000P9GZUA/ref=sr_1_1?s=sporting-goods&ie=UTF8&qid=1346975458&sr=1-1&keywords=tex+hammock probably the best backyard napper around.

Hope all this information helps.

TL/DR Don't get a hammock from these people, there are way cheaper, lighter, and better options for camping and also for the back yard.

This is gonna sound nuts, but get a hammock. Not the kind with two sticks, one of these:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B0042QYO9G?pc_redir=1410767820&robot_redir=1

You don't lay like the people in the picture, but on a slight 30° angle from midline. That gets you almost flat, with a slight incline on your feet and head. The science behind it is sound, and rocking yourself to sleep is amazing.

I used to toss and turn with neck and shoulder pain for 9 hours, and now I'm getting 6 hours of amazing sleep.

for that length of time i would get a larger tent with multiple rooms so you can keep things drying in one area. one or two of the shower units so you have a lot of solar-heated hot water.

I'd also get a real cot that's a foot or more off the ground, so you can sit on it like a bench when needed. they make larger ones if your special friend and you like to snuggle.

Here's the most important two in my kit.

A collapsible chair - http://www.amazon.com/ProActive-DQS001-BLK-Outdoor-Quik-E-Seat-Black/dp/B002JPQU8K/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1413220171&sr=8-4&keywords=small+camping+chair

and a female to female RJ45 connector when you need a REALLY long console cable.

You can get a Yukon Outfitter hammock with bug net built-in (if you don't want it just flip the hammock over) for around $40-50s: https://www.amazon.com/Yukon-Outfitters-Mosquito-Hammock/dp/B00BBY371S/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1468441131&sr=8-1&keywords=yukon+outfitters+hammock

You'll want a hammock tree strap which is REALLY handy. You won't need to do any knots or anything and it stays on there merely by tension with just one wraparound of the tree, and you won't need to worry about it not being sturdy enough compared to a cord. They're cheap, $8 dollars: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00X2B14UO/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o09_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Then you can get a tarp around 10x10 feet for also around $30 (you might already have one since that's universal to tents and hammock). You don't need a heavy duty one, it's hanging in the air above your hammock barely coming into contact with anything, the one you linked in another comment looks heavy. You do want a big one in case of rain, so you'll have enough coverage b oth for your hammock and your gear. https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01AXV8VLU/ref=ox_sc_sfl_title_10?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=A1EF9OE38VX40W

Like isogreen42 said, just sleeping in a sleeping bag in a hammock will mean that you will quash the bottom of the sleeping bag, compressing the material and nullify the insulation, so you'll want an underquilt. You could just use an ultralight sleeping bag or a jungle blanket, and tie the 4 ends to a tree or the line from the hammock. I don't have a link for this one, I'm assuming you already have an ultralight sleeping bag. If you don't, any one you find on Amazon will do. I think I got mine around $15-30.

And then you'll be warm (unless it's down in the 30-40s) and you can just use another ultralight sleeping bag or jungle blanket as the top quilt / actual blanket. Again, $20-30s: https://www.amazon.com/SnugPak-92248-Snugpak-Jungle-Blanket/dp/B00CJFOAZK/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1468441187&sr=8-1&keywords=jungle+blanket

And then you should be set! So you're looking at...around $130? Not too bad for an experiment.

may I recommend getting a hammock like an ENO double nest. more comfortable than my bed, packs down small and light and its great for naps or reading a book in the park. only caveat is that you have to plan where you're sleeping with places that have trees.

Here's a [link](Winner Outfitters Double Camping Hammock - Lightweight Nylon Portable Hammock, Best Parachute Double Hammock For Backpacking, Camping, Travel, Beach, Yard. 118"(L) x 78"(W) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01GCKAM7W/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_V3BtybTXNQRXD) for one I just purchased a few days ago. Haven't got it yet, but looks pretty solid.

My husband and I have two of these. We haven't quite put them through hell yet, but they survived being flopped on by dozens of drunks during a recent weekend group camping trip. Capacity: 800 pounds.

Kamp-Rite Double Kwik Cot https://www.amazon.com/dp/B004M0YY0G/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_MKRIyb2C5F524 this bad boy plus a moon mat on each side is what my fiance and I have used the past 2 years. Best sleep ever for Roo, without a mattress or anything it gets great airflow. But be sure to bring blankets/hoodies. I know we as well as many other people froze one night this past year, because we didn't have any

It’s one of these:
Kamp-Rite Tent Cot Original Size Tent Cot (Green) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B000BH46MU/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_JHhADbY1HNT8H

$150. No mount it just sits on the ground. Takes about 2 minutes to setup and is pretty comfortable. I keep it around to use when I bring a friend camping and they don’t have a tent or sometimes if I don’t have my RTT mounted I’ll use it for a quick one or two nighter.

Everyone that uses it loves it. However if given the choice I’ll still take my Autohome.

https://www.amazon.com/Sunyear-Gifts-Lightweight-Foldable-Breathable-Comfortable/dp/B01D2FFN8S/

I haven't used it, but now I want one.

what's the benefit of going with reflectix? a z seat is only 11 on amazon and the generic version is $2.

unless you already have some sitting around, buying reflectix is more expensive that those options.

I bought this Chinese pad last october and its sufficed

Blue Foldable Folding Foam Waterproof Chair Cushion Seat Pads
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00A8WMS3W/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_yVmGzbZT6S5VN

Its smaller in size and not as thick, but its literally only a couple of bucks with free shipping, so you cant complain to try it out. Just checked my lighterpack and it came out to 1.1 oz

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01GCKAM7W/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apap_NyAuAaGwTzzKW

Definitely feels a lil sketchy getting into it, but fantastic hammock for the price.

Now I understand... http://www.amazon.com/ProActive-DQS001-BLK-Quik-E-Seat-Black/dp/B002JPQU8K/ref=lh_ni_t?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=A3OLRWYORWF98T

Hammocks will range anywhere from $50 for a basic one to $200 for the great ones. The hammocks pictured in my OP are both made by Hammock Bliss

I believe most hammocks are made from some sort of Nylon material. Mine is rated for 350lbs.

When staying overnight, I bring my tarp in my pannier's too. Check out my full setup Hammock + Tarp

You should take a look over in /r/Hammocks I discovered it one day while looking into backpacking subreddits and have been hooked ever since.

Pocket Chair. http://www.amazon.com/Allstar-Marketing-Group-PC011712-Amazing/dp/B004P33I70/

• HAMMOCK - You can surely go lighter than 800g on the hammock without a problem.
  This one is 198g but it's not the largest hammock and I have not personally used it. My current hammock is 550g with whoopie slings in place of what it came with. I think you could likely go 3-400g safely and not risk losing too much comfort.
  
  
• TARP - Mine is homemade and it sits at 440g with everything to hang it. I made it very cheaply with silnylon seconds from [Noah Lamport] (http://www.noahlamport.com/contactus.aspx) but you have to call them and talk to them. You can go smaller and have a lot less weight but I like mine. If you feel like throwing money around you can get down to 122g.
  
  
• STRAPS My homemade straps are 90(ish)g and work very well. You could go shorter for less weight but I wanted flexibility on my hang options. Google gives you lots of options near that cheaply.
  
  
• UNDERQUILT - If you want to save weight 3/4 length underquilts are probably the direction you want. 3/4 length @ 450g I just linked the first one I searched and do not have experience with it specifically. I could list tons of others but I don't think you will have too much difficulty finding options in your weight range.
  
  
• TOPQUILT advice will be similar to underquilt. Just look around and see what fits your need. You may use your current bag for the time being to save money. I personally would buy that last as the function of a topquilt vs sleeping bag isn't that far separated.
  
  
• SUSPENSION - I would probably convert whatever suspension system you get on the hammock to amsteel/dyneema for a weight savings. Its fun to make and not that expensive.
  
  I would have been more detailed but I might just have a hangover.

It's made by SnugPak and I think it's this one. I could have sworn I paid less for it though...

https://www.amazon.com/Snugpak-Hammock-Cocoon-Travelsoft-Filling/dp/B0167IYNLU/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1519069417&sr=8-3&keywords=hammock+underquilt&refinements=p_89%3ASnugPak

I disagree with you on almost every point, but I'm not going to take the time to argue with you, as you seem to have your mind made up to be happy with your purchase.

For anyone else reading this, look for yourselves - compare an ENO DoubleNest for $69.95 from ENO on Amazon to a Dream Hammock Freebird for $75 from their website. The difference in value is forehead-smacking obvious.

ENO DoubleNest - $69.95

• one fabric choice - weight of 3.0 oz (from fabric comparison on Derek Hansen's Ultimate Hang website)
  
• heavy rope + non-climbing-rated carabiner partial suspension
  
• no structural ridge line included
  
• no ridge line organizer included
  
• no full suspension included (you can't even attach to a tree without making another purchase...)
  
• integrated stuff sack
  
• OK stitching, made in China/Indonesia/Malaysia/etc. by some kid
  
  
  
  Dream Hammock Freebird - $75
  
  
• pick your own fabric, down to 1.0 oz
  
• pick your own width
  
• structural ridge line included
  
• ridge line organizer included
  
• full whoopies + tree straps or cinch buckle suspension included
  
• Bishop's bag stuff sack at hammock peak
  
• quality stitching, made in America by people you can talk to, whose reputation is on the line with each sale
  
• add an extra fabric layer for using a sleeping pad (for additional cost)
  
  So, at a bare minimum, $5 buys you:
  
  
• a full lightweight suspension system (your choice of two!)
  
• a structural ridge line
  
• a ridge line organizer
  
• a Bishop's bag ridge stuff sack instead of an integrated one
  
  and that doesn't even account for hammock quality, available options, or customer support differences...

Any idea if they are more into casual hiking/car camping vs multi day backpacking and more backcountry type trips?

• A new nalgene is ALWAYS an appropriate gift for an outdoorsperson regardless of the extent of their outdoor travels.
  
  
• This is personally my favorite camping/hiking/backpacking/boating chair and one of my favorite reasonably priced outdoor products (actually mine is a slightly different local brand, but this one should be directly comparable).
  
  
• A good pair of wool socks is another great gift idea (assuming they aren't allergic to wool).
  
  
• If they are in a cold weather climate these are my favorite warmest pair of gloves. I worked outdoors five winters with them and love them.
  
  
• A touch more expensive but this wool hat is my favorite hat to wear outdoors in the winter and I also used this thing outdoors for 5 winters.
  
  
• The $10-15 energizer headlamps that they sell in Walmart are actually my preferred headlamps over the more expensive outdoor brands.
  
  
• Stuff sacks and dry bags are also good basic ideas.
  
  Most of these things should be pretty safe no matter what kind of outdoors person they are even if they already have some of those items.
  
  
• My FAVORITE item though, that I'm saving for last, is this awesome solar powered, color changing light. I've taken this thing backpacking and car camping, used it when the power was out, had it out in rain and cold, and it is one of my favorite products.

Bring snacks and probably a bag lunch. There are places to eat but lines are long.

On the subject of lines, you might consider a pack stool or something similar, lines for almost everything are going to be pretty significant.

Once you have the schedule, it's a good idea to make a list of priorities as the lines make it difficult to see and do everything.

Get to panels, especially popular panels, 2-4 hours in advance.

PAX is less about retail than other conventions, but several vendors will be on site. I personally only budget ~$20 for non-food shopping, but if you want official PAX merch or some nerdy graphic tees you might want to bump that up a bit.

There will be a lot of free SWAG given away, it's a good idea to bring an empty backpack/bag.

If you play MTG at all you should pop over there. I only play once a year (at PAX) and i love jumping in one of the draft or mini-masters tournys. They start every time they have enough people to start, usually several times an hour.

If you get overwhelmed it might help to head over to the PC free-play area. The line is usually quick and you get to use a computer for ~1 hour to do whatever. It's helped me in the past when I just needed to get away from people for a while.

bug net and hammock is all it takes really. I'll bring a rain fly too since it'll likely rain every day.

https://www.amazon.com/Stansport-Folding-Stool-Black-14-Inch/dp/B001ABPBI4

Like this?

Here. The reviews are mediocre at best-- and it still doesn't match any of your criteria. However, it's the only product I could actually find for sale.

Clamshell-style backpacking seats - example

Uncomfortable, heavy for what they do, high stress areas that rip through under normal use.

Kamp-Rite 3897864 Tent Cot Double... https://www.amazon.com/dp/B004M0YY0G?ref=ppx_pop_mob_ap_share

That’s the cot I have, can’t find the topper I have. Any 6 person tent will do, you can even store your shit under the cot!

Carry your seat with you, links below.

• Camp chair
  
• Lightweight camp chair
  
  If it is a groomed trail then you may be able to take a rollator with you. It helps with both walking and sitting. You can even get taller ones that let you walk fully upright.

The Wise owl ultralight is $37.99. The hammock is small and with the suspension weighs 13oz. The straps and carabiners are on the heavy side.

The hummingbird hammock single is a little bit smaller and lighter at 5.2 oz for the hammock and 1.55 oz for the straps, but more expensive.

The outdoor vitals ultralight is a similar size but the hammock is made from a heavier and stronger fabric than the other two. Comes in the middle price wise and weighs 14oz total.

The grand trunk nano 7 comes in 7.4 oz but doesn’t include the straps.

All of these I would consider travel hammocks in the ~9’x4’ range and ~5-8 oz weight for just the hammock. They’re nice for chillin. They wouldn’t really be great to sleep in but it’s possible.

try something like this instead https://www.amazon.com/GCI-Outdoor-19010-Quik-E-Seat-Black/dp/B002JPQU8K/ref=sr_1_5?s=sporting-goods&ie=UTF8&qid=1495497566&sr=1-5&keywords=portable+chair

This is where it's at. Two cup holders, sturdy, comfy. ALPS Mountaineering King Kong Chair
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B001RLQNSO/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_kE3gzbKM475PR

My set up -

ENO Eagles Nest Outfitters - Sub7 Hammock, Lichen https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00TQZH9Q8/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_4sihzbF49WS5X

Snugpak Hammock Cocoon with Travelsoft Filling, Olive https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0167IYNLU/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_Zrihzb6T8TFYN

Pro Force All Weather Shelter, Olive https://www.amazon.com/dp/B001LZ9EEG/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_zsihzb89Y1Y40

Add some paracord, couple figure 9 carabiners and some climbing o-rings and your set. Relatively lightweight and affordable for what you're getting. Highly recommend this set up if you want to get into hammock camping.

I'm at work so I don't have photos of my stuff. But here is the list of the basics. The stuff below, plus food, and a change of clothes will get me through a long weekend and on top of some nice terrain. I include my sock liner/sock combo below because I am so damn happy with them (and not expensive).

• Black Diamond Infinity 60 pack
  
  
• Surplus Military Woodland Cammo Bivy Cover
  
  
• A 40° Slumberjack Sleeping bag and a 20° Slumberjack sleeping bag that can nest to be a 0° sleeping bag (Not sure which model... they are about 10 years old).
  
  
• Yukon Outfitters Parachute hammock with net
  
  
• 2 Sierra Cups and a spoon from when I was a Boy Scout over 30 years ago.
  
  
• Whisperlite MSR stove
  
  
• Wigwam Ultimax Sock Liners with Merino Wool Socks
  
  
• Frog Toggs Rain suit
  
  
• Estwing Hatchet (If needed. If I am going distances, I don't take the weight, but it is an amazing tool for the size/weight/practicality)
  
  
• Leatherman PST
  
  
• Cheap walking sticks from wal-mart
  
  
• 2 Nalgene Water Bottles
  
  
• A Fly from my old Kelty 2 person tent.
  
  
• Some cheap Chinese made waterproof hiking boots that I got at Wal-Mart and have been unstoppable.
  
  
• A pump style water filter Mine isn't MSR, but it looks like this.
  
  
• Coleman Chilko River Parka for my outer shell, various synthetic fleece and wool layers for my inner layers. A dry fit long or short sleeve synthetic shirt for my wicking layer. I have gone down to single digit camping in that without a bulky coat.
  
  
• Energizer headlamp (AAA batteries!)
  
  
• 100 feet of this orange reflective cord
  
  
• A very comprehensive first aid kit I have assembled over the years to deal with everything from cuts and scrapes up to broken limbs and serious bleeding. (Sam Splint, Quick Clot, Homemade Cravats sealed in vacuum packs, trauma shears, various OTC medications, epi-pen). It is a little heavy, so I have various sizes I bring depending on the duration of the trip, my traveling companions (usually Boy Scouts) and our distance from help.
  
  
• A Yaesu VX8R Radio I'm a HAM and it is a great emergency radio.
  
  
• Garmin eTrex 20 GPS (AA Batteries!)
  
  I am pretty frugal so I don't have top tier stuff, but if I spent 10x more I might save 2-3 pounds... easier for me to put down the spoon and lose that much weight from the engine (me). I mostly go with the Boy Scouts as an Assistant Scoutmaster, so I don't do much "extreme" stuff. We mostly do 10-20 mile hikes in New England (4000' peaks with cold, wet, unpredictable weather).
  
  

This backpacking chair
ALPS Mountaineering Weekender Seat (Steel Blue) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B001URCH7G/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_5VGNybPV6SDC1

I have been leaning more toward the ultralight school of thought and have been dropping pound after pound of gear and lightening my whole kit but I refuse to drop this.

Nothing beats leaning back and stretching my legs out after a long day hiking. My mates give me shit for it but jokes on them when I'm sitting comfortably and they're sitting or squatting on the cold hard ground.

This is my personal favorite:

Hiking to the middle of nowhere and reading a book while lounging on one of these in the sun, https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01D2FFN8S/

Winner Outfitters Double Camping Hammock - Lightweight Nylon Portable Hammock, Best Parachute Double Hammock For Backpacking, Camping, Travel, Beach, Yard. 118"(L) x 78"(W) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01GCKAM7W/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_3nStzb5GHPCC3

I understand not wanting to carry a chair all day, but if your dad is 63 then laying/sitting on the ground for hours at a time might be pretty hard on him.

You could look into getting one of these chairs, it weighs about 7lbs which isn't nothing but it could make a lot of difference for him.

Or these are light and portable and would at least provide some back support without being a pain to carry around.

These are all great suggestions. Probably the best in the thread. Each of these items takes up little space, is very useful and could save someone's life. A compass and Lifestraw stay in my pack for all adventures. They always get used.

A nice throw blanket, or parachute hammock are also great ideas.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01GCKAM7W?psc=1
http://www.coalatree.com/home/153/kachula-blanket-v1

For me a 14x14" inch piece of reflectix is the absolute mininum I am going to bring. Folded in half it makes a nice seat that keeps my ass dry and warm and unfolded it gives me something dry to stand on when I am changing. I sometimes like to bring a stansport stool with me if I know I'm going to be hanging out with friends. This one has a good height and weighs about a pound.

THIS !
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B001RLQNSO

EDC to SDCC:

Black Sharpie for autographs
Poster Tube
External batteries for gadgets (solar is really nice)
E-Cigarette for indoor nicotine fix
Cliff bar for Hall H sustenance
Platypus water bottle for easy refilling
Deck of Cards
Camera
pocket chair

https://www.amazon.com/Foldable-Folding-Waterproof-Chair-Cushion/dp/B00A8WMS3W/ref=sr_1_6?ie=UTF8&qid=1521516967&sr=8-6&keywords=thermarest+sit+pad

Try one of these. Much smaller and lighter than s chair. And really makes those rocks comfortable.

Even cheaper.

Maybe a tent cot? You'd have to measure to make sure it would fit, since the legs aren't at the ends.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B000BH46MU/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_awdb_t1_XKDUAb2BDWG9W

I used to go backpacking as part of a job, so I have a ton of camping experience. Currently, we car camp and sleep in a tent on comfy air mattresses... which is a different experience and seems to require more gear.

We have an old cop car- think Mercury Grand Marquis or Crown Vic with a huge trunk- so we pack everything into the trunk. I have two bins-- one is the camp kitchen and the other is for general camping gear such as a tarp, camping chairs, the [lantern] (https://www.amazon.com/Coleman-CPX-Classic-LED-Lantern/dp/B01LFD0AUU/ref=sr_1_4?s=sporting-goods&ie=UTF8&qid=1504640586&sr=1-4&keywords=coleman+battery+lantern), headlamps, air mattresses, pump, etc. We use opaque Rubbermaid tubs (avoid the clear ones and especially the Sterilite ones- they always crack). I think that we have one 14 gallon Rubbermaid Roughneck bin... the other bin might be the 18 gallon version. All other items such as the stove and the sleeping bags aren't in bins- we only have room for two bins in the trunk. I pack food in reusable grocery bags. We usually use the trunk as storage/pantry while we're at the campsite, but the two Rubbermaid bins are rain resistant so they are usually under the end of the picnic table.


This summer I revised my packing list (which was on random scraps of paper) and put it in a binder. The binder is great... I added several easy camping recipes such as white chili and potatoes with spam that don't require refrigeration.


I like being able to grab the bins, inventory and restock quickly. I hate running around the house grabbing things from various rooms, so we've bought duplicate items that stay in the "camp kitchen" bin. These include a mini cutting board, a paring knife, a mini wok or very deep frying pan, a medium sized stainless steel pot with a lid (from a thrift store), a wooden spoon, tongs, a spatula, a slotted spoon, a can opener, a pot holder, a dish rag, a dish towel, a sponge, dish soap, a couple of lighters, and some assorted ziplocs and trash bags. A camp coffee maker and a couple of cups are nice to have, too. We use paper plates and bowls and plastic utensils because we've decided that we want to minimize doing dishes while camping.

I'm thinking of setting aside a couple of old sheets and some beach towels for camping use only--- anything that reduces packing effort.

Final random tip... I read a Life Pro Tip that tortilla chips make good kindling. It's true. My husband struggled to start a fire for 45 minutes the first night. Night two- I had one going in 5 minutes thanks to tortilla chips.

Do you mean a tent cot like this one? https://www.amazon.com/Kamp-Rite-Tent-Original-Size-Green/dp/B000BH46MU/ref=sr_1_5?s=automotive&ie=UTF8&qid=1505342705&sr=1-5&keywords=Tent+Cot

I never thought about putting a cloth on it... How did that work out?

http://www.amazon.com/ProActive-DQS001-BLK-Quik-E-Seat-Black/dp/B002JPQU8K/ref=lh_ni_t?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=A3OLRWYORWF98T

Worst bot ever. This is d.u.m.b. Dumb.

http://www.amazon.com/Kamp-Rite-FC321-Double-Kwik-Cot/dp/B004M0YY0G/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1422344793&sr=8-3&keywords=Double+fold+up+camp+bed

http://www.amazon.com/Intex-Classic-Airbed-Pillows-Double/dp/B000HBIL9O/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1422344818&sr=8-1&keywords=double+inflatable+mattress

I bought them both from Amazon

I use this hammock, though I also used this one for a couple months with no problem (just wanted something wider)


And this stand.

Sounds like you're well suited for the trip with that plan.

FWIW this thing looks really cool, but expensive.

I don't know if this chair is bifl, but I know that the style of chair is from the Civil War era:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00SGNAWV0/ref=pd_lpo_sbs_dp_ss_1?pf_rd_p=1944687442&pf_rd_s=lpo-top-stripe-1&pf_rd_t=201&pf_rd_i=B00884YH36&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r=1TQCVD7J36V1GCW5R3TK

Another low sitting chair that would work well on sand, that's even more portable would be the crazy creek design chair: http://www.amazon.com/ALPS-Mountaineering-Weekender-Seat-Steel/dp/B001URCH7G/ref=sr_1_12?s=sporting-goods&ie=UTF8&qid=1427075951&sr=1-12&keywords=alps+mountaineering+chair

This is the one I bought. It comes in at 18oz. According to Helinox, their Zero is 17.28 without the bag, so roughly same weight. https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001ABPBI4/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&psc=1&linkCode=ll1&tag=dailycartooni-20&linkId=9ca243e2441481fde2c02d441565d34c

Grand Trunk Ultralight Hammock - 12oz, $20

Outdoor Products Tarp - 20 oz $50, or 35 oz $60 for the bigger version

Sleeping Bag - 27 oz 55F $40

pillow - $30 3oz


I'd start out with this setup, plus some paracord and two to four tent stakes for securing the tarp.

If it's hot enough I'd ditch the sleeping bag for a silk sleeping bag liner. If it's cold enough I'd use a bag with a lower temp rating.

If I think bugs will be an issue I'd add an eno bug net

If you're not a hammock guy or think finding trees will be an issue whhere you're going I'd look into something like a eureka solitaire, but you'll want to add an air mattress when sleeping on the ground. The mattress can be used in the hammock too, it adds a lot of warmth in cooler weather.

Lastly, don't be afraid to utilize your environment. I've slept in all sorts of improvised shelters. In fact on my last tour I didn't bring a tent or hammock, just a bivy, sleeping bag, mattress and pillow. I knew spots along my route like churches and parks that had covered areas where I could sleep, so I used those to save on my gear weight. I've slept in caves too. One time I slept in an abandoned school bus. Using spots like this can make your nights more comfortable and save you the hassle of setting up a tent that evening.

What's for display?

http://www.amazon.com/Kamp-Rite-Bushtrekka-Bicycle-Trailer-Oversize/dp/B002KKBT9Y/ref=cm_cr_pr_pb_t


No need for a trailer though, hiking tents would be small enough to stow in a sidecar. 2 bikes with panniers would be far more practical though.

For sure the Alps Mountaineering King Kong Chair. I've owned it for a few years now and other than the threads that were stolen by birds to make a nest (literally, birds picked a good portion of the right arm threads clean for nest making material, I left it sitting outside for a few days - my bad) it's in flawless condition. Despite the missing threads, it's still 100% usable.

https://smile.amazon.com/dp/B001RLQNSO/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_nS_ttl?_encoding=UTF8&colid=285G74DVU2SLB&coliid=IYRQIPUSZDLMH&psc=1

*just re-read the thread and noticed that you want one that reclines. This doesn't recline.

I bought the green Yukon outfitters hammock when it was on sale at Woot! It was like $25 https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00BBY371S/ref=twister_B00MAUNB2M?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1

I also bought a Yukon outfitters rainfly (black) for $20 on sale at Woot! and swapped out the orange reflective paracord with black paracord. It blends nicely with the woods (well, over other colors atleast).

The bug net works great (kept me from the horde of mosquitoes in the Florida summer) and you can use grommets to make your own ridgeline so you can have a handgun setup at the ready inside your tent. I'm 200 lbs 6'2" and I drunkenly fell backwards onto the net and it somehow didn't tear at all after 20 seconds of trying to flip back. It's not a double but if you're hunting I'm going to assume you'll be so tired it probably won't matter.

I ordered off Amazon. I used this link: https://www.amazon.com/Amazing-Pocket-Chair-As-Seen/dp/B004P33I70

It seems to be out of stock at the moment, but I'd keep an eye on that link in case it comes back.

I just got the Coleman brand one here

I don't think the hammocks are provided, but there are thousands of them. I'd definitely recommend getting one of your own. It looks like the price has gone up since I bought it (about $50) and don't forget the straps!

On second thought, might just need to get one of these.

edit: on third thought, it seems SUPER impractical compared to just carrying a backpacking tent in one of the aforementioned trailers.

Amazon has a version for $12.38:
http://www.amazon.com/Grand-Trunk-Ultralight-Camo-Hammock/dp/B001AIBJSI

I started out with this one. It is dirt cheap and does the job for hanging out but is too short and uncomfortable for sleeping in.
I then got a hammock from Dutch and it is so much better! You will need a suspension system anyway so why not just get everything at the same place...

http://www.amazon.com/Foldable-Folding-Waterproof-Chair-Cushion/dp/B00A8WMS3W/ref=pd_sim_468_2?ie=UTF8&dpID=51MQ9-9eWrL&dpSrc=sims&preST=_AC_UL160_SR160%2C160_&refRID=0EFZKJN7YQS63P6GRCW4

This is the one my girlfriend and I have been looking at. I think it is the same one that Gander Mountain sells, and we have checked it out in person and it was of somewhat decent quality. We've been getting sick of using an air mattress, and I havent yet sold her on the idea of using a sleeping pad...so we are tempted to pick this one up.

They are all made by Camp Time at the end of the day

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https://www.amazon.com/Camp-Time-Pack-Stool/dp/B003EA4E3C/ref=sr_1_8?keywords=Camp+Time&qid=1567133859&s=gateway&sr=8-8

http://www.amazon.com/Amazing-Pocket-Chair-Portable-Seat/dp/B004P33I70 ?

I use this 'coccoon'. It's great. Sometimes I need more weight on me to sleep, so I add a throw blanket in the cocoon with me. I'm also a side sleeper. I tend to curl up on my right side, with my knees kind of bent. I use a U-shaped travel pillow.

I've tried doing back to a mattress and it's just not as comfortable. The only downside is I have two dogs that have figured out they can wake me up by shoving the hammock.

Wanted to chime in and say, I'd love to see your plans, too, if you care to share with the rest of us! I thought picking up a grand trunk for $17 the other day was good (Amazon sale -- now $20), but you're putting me to shame! Paired with this compact and quite warm sleeping bag, you're off to the races.

Actually, the one you linked as an example is pretty good. My dad has it and spends most of his time outside in it. It's plenty comfortable and it's lasted him years.

I bought this one:

https://smile.amazon.com/ALPS-Mountaineering-King-Kong-Chair/dp/B001RLQNSO/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1491700453&sr=8-1&keywords=ALPS+Mountaineering+King+Kong+Chair

based on the review here:http://www.outdoorgearlab.com/Camping-Chair-Reviews

It scored an 82/100 but that's because it's so fucking heavy. It weighs 13 pounds. But as long as you aren't carrying it very far, it really shouldn't matter when you're spending a couple hours in it.

I've taken it car camping and to dozens of little league games and can't think of one single complaint.

Get this one

9 inches high? Maybe.. I had my eye on this one, which is heavier, but doesn't have you squatting..

http://www.amazon.com/Stansport-Folding-Stool-Black-14-Inch/dp/B001ABPBI4/ref=pd_sim_468_3?ie=UTF8&dpID=41hVg00nEoL&dpSrc=sims&preST=_AC_UL160_SR160%2C160_&refRID=1F5KD0NAPVBPY60ZR7B9

I ended up using and keeping:

Hammock Bliss No-See-Um No More - The Ultimate Bug Free Camping Hammock - 100" / 250 cm Rope Per Side Included - Fully Reversible - Ideal Hammock Tent For Camping, Backpacking, Kayaking & Travel https://www.amazon.com/dp/B002COCF3M/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_FyoZBbZ7WENFZ

Quick thinking on your part then! Grab a little something like this and you can do the pose at the drop of a hat.

IN the hammock? See, I'd be worried about water pooling. I'd want something with holes on either end for the tie lines and maybe a drawstring to cinch it up nice and tight.

I thought of getting a basha with a hexagon shape and using the tie points because I could use it as a rainfly or sunshade as well, but then I found a "hammock cocoon". https://www.amazon.com/Snugpak-Hammock-Cocoon-Travelsoft-Filling/dp/B0167IYNLU/ref=pd_rhf_dp_s_cp_1?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=B0167IYNLU&pd_rd_r=BXCE2XBGVEWTRTPGHN9T&pd_rd_w=Kn38f&pd_rd_wg=ZQCWC&psc=1&refRID=BXCE2XBGVEWTRTPGHN9T

Looks like I have some research to do while I get more /r/beermoney.

edit: While I'd like a cocoon which could accommodate a bugnet, this rainfly seems to convert into an enclosed tent. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B06WVJKTK3?psc=1

I bought this one on Shug's recommendation and am happy with it. 17 ounces is all.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B001ABPBI4/ref=cm_sw_r_other_apa_4oRKybJBFVCQS

Nice! I was looking into the Eureka Solitaire 1-person but I saw those complaints and decided to keep searching. Something that did seem interesting was the Kamp-Rite Tent Cot but then I saw how it folded up.

https://www.amazon.com/Stansport-Folding-Stool-Black-14-Inch/dp/B001ABPBI4/

A lot of people use the Camp Time Stool. It's the one Dynamic Discs sells with their custom seats. I've had it and a cheap one from Amazon and the Camp Time is MUCH better. It's wider so it puts less pressure on the man bits, IME.

As for an umbrella, I love my large Gust Buster.

outdoors stuff!

Doublenest Hammock :)

That's a pretty good idea. I also carry a pocket chair which folds up pretty small for working on UPS's which are always on the bottom of our racks.

https://www.amazon.com/Coleman-2000020262-Event-Stool/dp/B00363WYWU/ref=sxin_2_ac_m_pm?ac_md=1-0-VW5kZXIgJDEw-ac_d_pm&keywords=pocket+chair&pd_rd_i=B00363WYWU&pd_rd_r=757938c7-f346-4e66-b3ce-38791e373cdf&pd_rd_w=dxhPw&pd_rd_wg=WjHwY&pf_rd_p=808372f4-ce06-4458-88ef-16b605aa053a&pf_rd_r=P8AXFW1GR16W5XF5FVE5&psc=1&qid=1575049106

If you left when you said in this comment, then I hope the trip is going well and this may be too little to late for this trip, haha. With that said, I really like the kit. Having backpacked 2,000 miles of the Appalachian trail in two long excursions separated by the harsh 2013/2014 weather and learning my limit on whats just enough to get by on for me, here would be a few things I would change:

Switch out the balaclava for a Buff. Awesome piece of gear and very multifunctional.

Forego the 2x extra socks. One extra pair should be plenty for camp/sleep if you need them or if your daily ones get gross (doesn't sound like you're going on an extended excursion so this doesn't seem to be a concern) and I wouldn't bother with waterproof shoes or socks. As much as companies have gotten better waterproofing technology, in my experience light, breathable gear will always fare better, especially for shoes and socks - waterproof will work until you get swamp feet if they do not dry/breathe enough, or work until water gets into the shoe. Which, if you are cycling, the only recognizable reason would be rain. Its going to get in your shoes, period. Your body heat and riding on the bike will dry out regular shoes and socks just fine. I would go for the thicker soled trainers but nothing beefier than that, just to have less pedal power loss than thin soled trainers.

With that said, a good pair of gaiters (shoe covers) is worth it, and a very simple and extremely light solution can be found at

dirtygirlgaiters.com

I hiked in mesh trainers with dirty girl gaiters through 2 feet of snow for about 3 weeks. It worked very well, but I really needed about another inch of "waterproofing" (shoes that weren't technically waterproof, but had higher walls instead of mesh right down to the sole) and got another pair of trainers that worked better. No issues with wet feet after that.

I would not take that bivy, period. That style of bivy isn't multifunctional, which in my gear is something I try to employ. I would go with:

A bug bivy:
http://borahgear.com/bugbivy.html
6oz
(The one I continue to use and love is the Marmot Terra Cotta, but its a bit heavier and uses one small pole instead of a rope pullout. I can't find where anyone sells it anymore. I slept under the stars most nights I could with just a bug bivy)

And a tarp (the lighter the better, but more expensive and can be a bit more delicate. Never had an issue with cuben fiber tarps myself, 100% waterproof and LIGHT):
http://www.hammockgear.com/standard-cuben-fiber-tarp-with-doors/

This tarp is the one I use. 6.5oz not weighing the UL tie off rope or snakeskin (more on this in a second) It has doors so if I know its going to be rough weather or cutting wind you can 'batten down the hatches', tie it close to the ground and close the doors, which would keep me from having to use warmer, heavier, bulkier gear for the windchill factor. Easy to get out of even like that and can set it up in any configuration the moment calls for. Tarps have more of a learning curve but it really isn't that difficult when you start using them and don't take long to set up once you get it down.

Snakeskins for a tarp are the best thing EVER. The skins follow the ridgeline of the tarp and hold everything together. All that you have to do to put the tarp up is pull it out of the your bag, tie one end off, tie the other, then slide the snakeskins from the middle out, unfurl the tarp and tie off your corners. Nothing touches the ground and takes 3 minutes to be done.

The mesh bivy/tarp system is going to weigh just about the same, ~1lb as the bivy you're using if you use light guylines for the tarp.

HAMMOCKING:
If you are attracted to the idea of hammock camping but haven't tried, I would go that route instead of the bivy/mat/tarp. You probably won't want to comepletely overhaul your system this time being your trip is so close, but for me its the best sleeping system. Its going to weigh pretty much the same, my basic set up with the hammock, all the lines, treestraps, and tarp is somewhere at 1.5lbs, whereas the bivy you are using is 1lb and the pad is 7oz. You still would need insulation, and you may still use the pad you have (more on that later) so it may be a little bit heavier (gasp) but much more comfortable and flexible system, not needing to have a flat spot that isnt going to get wet, needing only two trees 8-14 feet apart. Use the same tarp, but have this:

Grand Trunk Nano 7 hammock (I am 5'5" and 150ish so this fits me well. You may need to find a different UL hammock that fits you if you aren't around my size) 7 oz:

Grand Trunk Nano Hammock https://www.amazon.com/dp/B002WZN77Y/ref=cm_sw_r_other_apa_a7ClybWE775H7

Use a whoopie sling system (NO KNOTS, easiest way to hang a hammock. Slide the rope braided through itself to achieve the right hang):

https://shop.whoopieslings.com/

(Not that you'd need it now, but I made a very simple bugnet for the hammock like seen here:
http://www.instructables.com/id/Hammock-Bug-Net-Cheap/ )


I've slept in hammocks for about 1.5 years out of the last 3 whenever I discovered using them as a real sleeping system when hiking. Started hanging at home. Best sleep of my life. Best of all when camping everything is off the ground, and you can pee without even getting out of bed in the cold (as a guy) by just leaning out to one side (this takes practice xD )

For insulation you need to find out how you can be comfortable. I have a down under quilt (connects to the ropes of the hammock and cradles the hammock underneath) rated to 0 (been WARM, not just surviving, to -10 with the extra fill when I custom ordered the 0 degree bag [I had the over quilt with it as well during that time, which is like a sleeping bag with the head end opening like a blanket just past the footbox, much easier to get in and out of in a hammock]) that I also got at hammockgear.com. Its a small operation and the guy who owns it is super helpful.

You can also go with a space blanket as an underquilt. It would take a bit of taping and adding a clip to use like an underquilt, but it wouldn't take long and be very light and cheap.

Or keep your pad and use it in the hammock. Not the most ideal but it would work and still be more comfortable than the ground. I used the NeoAir Xlite, similar to the Nemo you're using, and was comfortable down to 40° with a sleeping bag liner and wool long johns and long sleeve shirt

The insulation factor is going to greatly depend on the person and where they are comfortable at, and what gear they are comfortable using. Keep in mind you can still prevent wind like you would with a bivy on the ground by tying the hammock a bit lower and tarp lower to the point that the tarp edge meets the ground.

I hope anything I've said here is useful. Definitely would like to hear how the trip goes, and whether or not your concerns were met or other concerns came up. Good luck!!

This is in no way a home.. it is a poorly designed bike tent trailer. I do not understand why he keeps saying "keeps people safe"? What about a tarp draped over a pvc and ply wood triangle keeps people safe? Something like this on a bike trailer would seem more useful for what he is going for.

I just do not see a practical application. (yes, I get that it could be nice for homeless, but I think a tent that could put put in a backpack would be much more useful, a bike trailer is big and bulky,not something that can be quickly packed up and carried around.

On the side of a person camping, either go with a normal tent, way lighter and compact!)

also this is the same stool for cheaper.

If you think you can find trees to use it, I use this eagle's nest. It's compact, light, and comfortable, and you don't need to carry a pillow. Definitely not for cold weather, but that's no issue for you. Protip: don't buy the rainfly as 8x10 tarp works just as well.

If you're worried about places to put it up, mindeyesight's tent option looks good.

Pocket chair !!!!!!!!!!!

you know what, i think its actually a single? it's this one. i was going to buy a double but i think i changed my mind at the last minute

I wouldn't go for the Mosquito Hammocks, I tried the Expedition model out and it was a POS. It was uncomfortable and the workmanship was bad. It immediately started to fray at a poorly sewn hem along the zipper and the fraying fabric caught in the zipper. I felt the built in nylon webbing was much too tender and looked like crap in just a few uses.

I own a Hammock Bliss No-See-Um No More. I like it. I'm 6'2" and 230lbs.

I think if I was starting again I'd save up for a Warbonnet Blackbird. I have their Superfly tarp and love the craftsmanship in it. I'm saving now to pick one up.

An example. It is a appealing idea.

I use a pocket chair
http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B004P33I70/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?qid=1404564791&sr=8-1&pi=SY200_QL40

The EZ-up/tapestries/cot combo last year was AWESOME. I slept from about 6am-1pm easily every day thanks to that sweet airflow <3

Bought this one from Amazon. It's sturdy af, but the downside is it takes up almost as much space as the EZ-up when it's packed.

They tend to be too short and narrow. Many do not come with ridge lines and the suspensions can be less than ideal. That being said, [ I started with this one and it's ok] (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002COCF3M/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1)

Dude, the seat goes as low as $18. Are you trying to be funny or something? This bot is never wrong. Your face is the worst face ever. It's d.u.m.b. Dumb!

Here are the prices: http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B002JPQU8K/ref=dp_olp_new?ie=UTF8&condition=new&qid=1376716228&sr=1-1

It compacts really small so it would be easy to ship, but do you mean how big it is when it's in use? This is the exact one he has

IDK What sort of weather you'll be camping/hiking in, but this is a pretty basic list of gear that I would take if I were on a budget:

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B006JYHI24/?tag=ultrastuff-20

http://www.amazon.com/Suisse-Sport-Adventurer-Ultra-Compactable-Sleeping/dp/B001TR7QZA/ref=sr_1_3?m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&s=sporting-goods&ie=UTF8&qid=1408072994&sr=1-3&keywords=ultralight

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00FB7XYXM/?tag=ultrastuff-20

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B002COCF3M/?tag=ultrastuff-20

That's a bag, tarp, hammock and sleeping bag. They all have great ratings and should get you through just about anything.

Me, personally, I carry my hammock, a wool blanket and my tarp from http://www.bushcraftoutfitters.com/ ( http://www.bushcraftoutfitters.com/Coyote-Tarp-10x10-tarp-10x10-coyote.htm ) in my army surplus bag. I also carry my stainless steel pot and cup, cordage, zip ties, leather gloves, folding saw, axe and knife with me when I'm out in the woods. I have a "space blanket" too.

My pack could be lighter for sure, but everything I have serves a purpose.

Whenever you decided you want to get into campinp/hiking/bushcraft/whatever, decided what you really need/want to have with you. Don't just jam random "camping" supplies in your bag. Take your time, research and pack carefully. Your back will thank you.