(Part 3) Top products from r/Amd

SSD: Personally I'd go Corsair MP510 over the Intel SSD.

Memory: Crucial Ballistix Sport LT 3200 C16 instead of the G.Skill memory. Same price but it will overclock better. Seriously, if you make one change, make this one.

HDD: 1 TB hard drive is a waste of money.

PSU: Can you wait for like a month? I've picked up Gold and Platinum PSUs for $60 after rebate during the holiday sales. The price of that PSU does not look good to me. I'd probably look at what the difference in cost is for a Gold or Platinum PSU from Seasonic or EVGA.

Monitor: I'd recommend going with AOC C24G1 over that Dell monitor. C24G1 is also 144 Hz freesync, but it has a VA panel which has much better contrast. Unlike most VA panel the response time is still pretty good on it, and the additional contrast really does a lot for image quality. I'll never own an IPS or TN monitor again. Here's a review of the C24G1.

If you can afford another $150 then the LG32GK650F is also a substantial step up in terms of size and resolution. Although response time isn't quite as good, it's still pretty good.

Mouse/Keyboard: The mouse/keyboard come down a lot to personal preference. If you have a Best Buy/Fry's/Microcenter near you, you may want to have your friend go down and try out some mice and keyboards for himself. Maybe he wants to go wireless, as well.

Cable: The monitor should come with a cable. I wouldn't waste money on a cable unless the included cable isn't good enough.

GPU: If you're trying to make an economical build you should just get a 5700 non-XT and then do a soft power table mod to unlock it to 5700 XT. There is basically no risk at all, and the end result will be almost as fast for $50 less.

Looks you have 4 options...

MSI X370 XPOWER GAMING TITANIUM - Most expensive. I'd probably pass on this one personally, too expensive for the features on offer.

ASUS Crosshair VI Hero - Second most expensive, but probably the best one out of the ones up for pre-order on Amazon. 12 phase power design, decent feature set.

MSI X370 GAMING PRO CARBON - Quite a bit cheaper. Seems like a fairly decent board. 10 phase power design, claims support for 3200MHz(OC) RAM. Pretty decent feature set.

ASUS Prime X370-Pro - Cheaper again, and again a 10 phase power design. Supports 2666MHz RAM, but may well OC higher. A fairly nice feature set as well.

There are a few B350s available as well, but I personally wouldn't go for one as they're a bit of an unknown right now in terms of OC capabilities.

The best cheap mid end cooler is the Scythe Mugan 5 Rev B for $45-50. The next step up would be the $55 Thermalright Macho Rev C. Both coolers weigh about the same same (Without the fan: 720g for Thermalright vs 750g for Scythe) but the Thermalright has a 140mm fan at 1500RPM vs 120mm at 1200RPM on the Scythe so the extra airflow should help it pull ahead a bit but you should be happy with either while saving a good $30-40 over the more expensive DRP4 or NH-D15 (I own a NH-D15 btw).

mugan 5 rev B review

https://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/8320/scythe-mugen-5-rev-cpu-cooler-review/index6.html

https://cdn.pcpartpicker.com/static/forever/images/userbuild/259103.3b8b4d18dbe439a882e26d30bb89d870.1600.jpg

https://www.amazon.com/Mugen-Rev-CPU-Cooler-Support/dp/B06ZYB8K77

macho rev b (there isn't a rev C review, the main difference is the fan is +200RPM for the new model)

https://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/6930/thermalright-macho-rev-cpu-cooler-review/index6.html

https://cdn.pcpartpicker.com/static/forever/images/userbuild/266239.ac2d58e6eab1849f1c6e66614515768e.1600.jpg

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07S5VHRXM

BTW, both the DRP4 and NH-D15 will run within 1-2C and 1-2dB of eachother so you are mostly paying for looks and warranty with the Noctua having a 7yr and DRP4 having a 3yr.

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/be-quiet-dark-rock-pro-4/7.html

Any of the coolers you were looking at or I listed will all be effectively silent and all will be able to OC to about the same levels. The CPU itself is $185-200 so I cannot recommend a $80+ cooler and if I were to make a new build right now I would stick with the Mugan or Macho unless I went for a i9 9900k/R9 3900x. I don't recommend watercooling but if you wanted it you should look at the new Arctic Liquid Freezer II which is $90 for 280mm and $76 for 240mm and recent reviews put them above all other 240mm and 280mm coolers.

https://www.kitguru.net/components/cooling/james-dawson/arctic-liquid-freezer-ii-all-in-one-cpu-cooler-review/5/

https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/arctic-liquid-freezer-ii-280-all-in-one-cpu-cooler,6376-2.html

If you don't care to OC your memory (which you should, it makes a pretty big difference and is incredibly safe) as long as you get a 3200-3600 mhz kit with decent timings you'll be alright.

If you do want to tweak your memory in the future, there are plenty of sick deals on 16GB of memory right now.

This Crucial Ballistix kit contains Micron Rev E chips inside of it, and these overclock VERY easily to 3600-3800 cl18 depending on what your cpu can handle. Absolutely amazing sticks for the price, and I'd recommend you pick them up even if you don't tune your memory right now.

For a little extra you can pick up an even faster kit, this patriot viper steel 4133 kit. It contains Samsung b die chips, the most sought after for overclocking and should do much tighter timings than the Ballistix, and for $94 the value is great.

If/when you tune your memory expect anywhere from 15-20% boosts in 1% lows/average fps which improves the smoothness of your game a ton. Here's a great guide on how to do it when you're inclined.

QVL hasn't mattered in my experience.

The MX500 is a great SSD (I have two), but you'll want to go with an NVMe M.2 drive for your primary boot device.

Amazon has the Sabrent Rocket 1TB for $110. It's one of the best bang for the buck PCI Express 3.0 x4 M.2 drives. Similar Phison E12 controller based drives include the $105 Inland Premium 1TB or Corsair's $125 Force MP510 1TB. These are essentially "template" drives using a common firmware, and will generally perform about the same.

Cost is identical, you gain much higher linear read/write rates, higher IOPS and (marginally) lower access latency. It's also a cleaner installation since it mounts directly to the motherboard.

Edit: Some newer drives utilize PCI Express 4.0 x4 connections to enable higher read/write transfer rates on your X570 platform. Very useful for some tasks (eg, linear video editing), but for most tasks don't offer a massive upgrade from current PCI Express 3.0 x4 drives. Add in the extra expensive (1TB starts at ~$175) and it's tough to recommend for most non power-users at this time.

Stupid Question on 2600X and 2700X.

As I understand it (src1, src2) the X varieties of these CPUS will attempt to overclock themselves by evaluating run time conditions, using XFR2 and PB2. PBO2 is additionally available but will void the warranty.

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Educate me if the above is incorrect.

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Questions:

• Do we (r/AMD community) have data on CPU coolers and how they influence X chip performance including the included Wraith Spire/Prism?
  
• Based on this data or general knowledge does r/AMD feel after market coolers for X models are worth the money relative the the performance gain they may bring? I will do the calculations and share back based on informal recommendations.
  
• How much extra Power in Watts is consumed by the CPU when enabling a PBO scenario v not default? One could use a ~$0.08USD/KWh model for energy cost calculation of PBO overclock per year.
  
• Are there motherboard characteristics/motherboard settings I should be aware of beyond the PWM setup if I want to attempt a PBO overclock of an X chip?
  
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  Right now the 2600X is within $20 dollars of the 2600 - so money can be spent on a separate air cooler ($10-$30) if there is some reasonable price/performance of the cooler with or without PBO. Where as the 2700X ($299) even with a recent coupon ($270) is $50 more than the 2700 ($220) which is $40 more than the 2600X ($180). The cost of the 2700X would seem to be out of line, as it essentially better binned 2600X . Again correct me about this - as it seems the 2600 line is just a 2700 with a disabled core.
  
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  Also I am seriously thinking about a 40x40 IC thermal Pad for $13 or a 38x38 TG Carbonaut pad if someone knows where they can be bought in the US market, which would come out of the cooler budget above. Convenience of not having to reapply thermal paste 24-36 months from now, and guarantee of uniformity of heat transfer would seem to justify the pad as an extra vs bundled pastes if any.

Get a cheaper 1TB NVMe. You don't need gen 4 and it's nearly double the cost right now. The SX8200 PRO 1tb is on sale at Newegg, at least in the US.. But even something like this is a solid option!

For motherboards, I like the MEG ACE and VIII Hero. I opted for the Hero, personally.. All X570 boards are nice so just get the one with the feature set you like the most. The Phantom Gaming X is very nice as well! Good cheaper options include the Strix, Pro Carbon, Edge and Gigabyte Aorus boards..

RAM, I suggest you get a decent 3600MHz kit.. If you go lower I would overclock it but it looks like RAM isn't as important this time around but I wouldn't get less than 3200MHz..

Personally, I have some graphite thermal pads coming tomorrow. My thinking was that they should cover the entire IHS completely and help spread the heat away from the one hotspot under the core. I'm currently using IC Diamond, but the stuff was pretty old, and was pretty hard to get onto the CPU, since it kept just sticking to the end of the tube. I got a maximum of 75C on my 3700x with an H105, so I'm hoping that pad helps.

The other 3 youtubers got better performance than the NITRO on the STRIX. This Friday, Strix is on sale at a local massive Canadian Store chain.

https://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=43_557_558&item_id=141144 - Nitro $629

https://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=43_557_558&item_id=140970 - Strix $579

https://www.amazon.ca/PowerColor-Devil-Radeon-GDDR6-Graphics/dp/B07WP6TYQ3/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=5700+xt&qid=1574973400&sr=8-1 - PowerColor $593 (not sold at Canada Computers)

But if you wanna keep Apples to Apples:
https://www.amazon.ca/Sapphire-11293-03-40G-Radeon-Nitro-Graphics/dp/B07XMNGVVD/ref=sr_1_8?keywords=5700+xt&qid=1574973400&sr=8-8 - Nitro $663

https://www.amazon.ca/Radeon-Overclocked-DisplayPort-Graphics-ROG-STRIX-RX5700XT-O8G-GAMING/dp/B07X7KNBMK/ref=sr_1_4?keywords=5700+xt&qid=1574973400&sr=8-4 - STRIX $599

So using AMAZON prices:
Powercolor: $593
Strix: $599 ($579 at CanadaComputers)
Nitro: $663 ($629 at CanadaComputers)

You were saying about the Strix being the most expensive? Because It MUST be only where you live. In that case, I'd order off Amazon if I were you.
$6 difference between the Powercolor and Strix, from Amazon.ca
If I factor my local computer store, then the STRIX is the cheapest by $14.

I checked AMAZON**.COM** to see if in the USA its different. And Nope.
PowerColor - $419
STRIX - $449
NITRO - $483

Ok so we done with the Anti-Asus propaganda? Finish down voting me and lets get back to the Original topic.

Personally I'm just waiting on an X370 motherboard and R7 1800X CPU. Currently have a RX480 (provided in list anyway) as a tie over until Vega. Also preordered the AM4 mounting kit for the NH-D15. Alternatively, you can preorder the special edition AM4 model, but I prefer the versatility of all sockets. The 1300w PSU is way overkill, but I wanted to leave myself the possiblity of a second vega years down the line to scale perf when mgpu and DX12 become more mainstream. I was also creating the possibility of water cooling. Either way, its got a 10yr warranty so should be good all the way until the tech doesn't matter anymore. Bought these all over the last week or so :)

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

Type|Item|Price
:----|:----|:----
CPU Cooler | Noctua NH-D15 82.5 CFM CPU Cooler | $85.49 @ OutletPC
Memory | G.Skill TridentZ Series 32GB (2 x 16GB) DDR4-3200 Memory | $274.99 @ Newegg
Storage | Samsung 960 PRO 512GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive | $329.00 @ B&H
Video Card | Asus Radeon RX 480 8GB ROG STRIX Video Card | $244.99 @ Jet
Case | Phanteks Enthoo EVOLV ATX ATX Mid Tower Case | $169.99 @ Newegg
Power Supply | EVGA SuperNOVA G2 1300W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply | $182.03 @ Jet
| Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts |
| Total | $1286.49
| Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-02-11 14:14 EST-0500 |

I would get a cheaper Ryzen 3 1200 and perhaps look into a cheaper set of speakers such as these

Otherwise, looks great! Your experience will be vastly improved.

vega 56. right now https://www.amazon.com/XFX-Radeon-Graphic-Cards-RX-VEGMLBFX6/dp/B07532T488/ref=sr_1_2?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1509583727&sr=1-2&keywords=vega+56


only at list price. lmao. which its never been at this price. grab one if you can. I think 56 being $100 less than the 64 doesn't justify buying the 64. if you want extreme high end then nvidia cards might be better. but 56 is a good deal.

Yeah that's the SB Rocket. also taking a 2tb HDD from the old system that's going to my wife.

That's a perfectly fine i5 2500k build.

Can someone help me out choosing correct RAM for my coming build please...

CPU: ryzen 7 2700

MOBO: Gigabyte X470-AORUS-ULTRA-GAMING

I'm reading this thread but i'm getting nothing out of it.. so i just want the cheapest 3000mhz 2x8gb compatible ram avaible on amazon.it i just want a model preferably a link.

Thanks

A 200GE would be better. It's a bit less powerful but it comes with integrated graphics (like a GT 730, more or less) it's a modern processor and it consumes far less electricity. AMD is about to release the newer version, so it may go down in price soon:

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https://www.amazon.es/AMD-Athlon-200GE-3-2GHz-Caja/dp/B07HJWVJDN

https://www.pccomponentes.com/amd-athlon-200ge-32ghz-socket-am4

I GOT MINE!!!!

$399 @ Amazon,
https://www.amazon.com/Sapphire-Technology-21276-00-20G-Graphics-Card/dp/B0752K3GX5/ref=sr_1_8?m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1503925253&sr=1-8&keywords=rx+vega+56&refinements=p_6%3AATVPDKIKX0DER



or

https://www.amazon.com/XFX-Radeon-Graphic-Cards-RX-VEGMLBFX6/dp/B07532T488/ref=sr_1_7?m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1503925253&sr=1-7&keywords=rx+vega+56&refinements=p_6%3AATVPDKIKX0DER


Note: I bought when already out of stock, but we'll see if the order is cancelled :/


EDIT: BEST BUY DOESN'T HAVE SOLO CARD, PACK ONLY!

Yes.

https://www.amazon.com/AMD-4-Thread-Processor-Graphics-YD200GC6FBBOX/dp/B07HJWVJDN/ref=sr_1_2?keywords=athlon+am4&qid=1570453475&sr=8-2

This. It has integrated graphics so still no need for a GPU but this is even cheaper. You stated that it's for surfing the net only, correct? This will cut it. I'm sure it can do ultra light gaming too. But I'd recommend Ryzen series for gaming if you were to do it.

https://www.amazon.fr/AMD-YD1200BBAEBOX-Processeur-Ryzen-cœurs/dp/B0741DN383/ref=sr_1_1?__mk_fr_FR=%C3%85M%C3%85%C5%BD%C3%95%C3%91&keywords=ryzen+1200&qid=1572022375&sr=8-1

60€ for Ryzen 3. In tech shops outside of Amazon, it's 50€ including tax, excluding shipping.

https://www.amazon.fr/XFX-RX-570P8DFD6-Radeon-GDDR5-Graphique/dp/B077VX31FZ/ref=sr_1_7?__mk_fr_FR=%C3%85M%C3%85%C5%BD%C3%95%C3%91&keywords=rx+570&qid=1572022420&sr=8-7

150€ for RX 570 8GB.

Now, let's have a look at neighbour Germany.

https://www.cyberport.de/?DEEP=GWGF-300&APID=276&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI5oSsh_C35QIVxOJ3Ch0dBwGxEAQYAiABEgKkYvD_BwE

44,90€ for the 1200 Ryzen

https://www.notebooksbilliger.de/xfx+radeon+rx+570+rs+black+edition+8gb+gddr5+grafikkarte?nbb=pla.google_css_smec&wt_cc2=912-0001_Hardware_340370&ef_id=EAIaIQobChMIst7JnPC35QIVh-J3Ch3y2grfEAQYBSABEgJHZPD_BwE:G:s

137,90 for the RX 570 8 GB

So yes. That's real and it's all new parts and it's from reliable sellers.

Noctua is requiring proof of a AM4 motherboard purchase to ship out a free bracket(so you'll have to wait for March 2nd before even having the bracket being shipped out): http://noctua.at/en/noctua-offers-upgrade-kits-for-amd-s-ryzen-platform-free-of-charge

Though you can buy a AM4 bracket from Noctua right now for ~$8: https://www.amazon.com/Noctua-NM-AM4-Mounting-coolers-platforms/dp/B01MTEFT52/

And they also have their most popular coolers selling with the AM4 bracket as well: https://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss_2?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=Nocuta+AM4&rh=i%3Aaps%2Ck%3ANocuta+AM4

Idk, Noctua is being pretty fair and considerate. Not really happy with other companies right now since I was contemplating buying a NZXT AIO but if their brackets aren't coming out till Mid-March then forget about it.

I haven't seen much evidence that an AIO pump can actually scale to a radiator of that size. 240mm seems to be the sweet spot, or you can use a 280 if your ears are sensitive to fan noise (bigger fans can move the same amount of air while rotating at a lower RPM). If you want to go bigger than that, you'll need a custom open loop to get meaningfully better thermals.

Meanwhile, an AIO cooler isn't even necessarily worth the premium versus a high-quality air cooler, the latter of which has no pumps that can fail or coolant that can leak. A Thermalright Macho or Scythe Mugen will perform very well, for much less than a comparable 240 AIO.

Just make sure that the heatsink isn't blocked by tall RAM sticks. If you have those, you'll need something like the Fuma 2.

You could get the Ninja 4 instead which is similar performing in terms of perf/dB https://www.amazon.it/dp/B00W7AR2IY

Or, for the same price as the Macho, I recommend either the
FUMA - https://www.amazon.it/dp/B071XCCM7V
Mugen 5 - https://www.amazon.it/dp/B06ZYB8K77
or Ninja 5 - https://www.amazon.it/dp/B079X3DBH8
Which all perform better.

intel was selling 4/8 like 2 years ago as their top-tier, and amd came out with 8/16, this is why we are seeing 8/16 from intel today, amd have opportunity to pressure intel again after 2 years, but they wont because you said so, ok

even today you can get 2700 for 220 bucks https://www.amazon.com/AMD-Ryzen-Processor-Wraith-Cooler/dp/B07B41717Z

i assume they might increase the prices, but lets say 3600 for 220 and 3600x for 250

https://smile.amazon.com/Acer-Predator-PH517-61-R0GX-Processor-Graphics/dp/B07GWX5X26

You might have to go ahead and upgrade your RAM and the SSD yourself, but, you're welcome.

while that person did try to help, he is a bit out of touch with ssd prices..

sata ssds haven't gone down in pricing in a meaningful way for the past year, they are still around ~110$ for 1tb and samsung likes to charge their tax on top of that too..

instead, you can get nvme ssds such as this or this for the same price..

their performance and warranty is equivalent to a samsung 970 evo, if not better.. and are miles faster than a sata ssd...


RAM: while the one you picked is 3600mhz, it's running at cl18 the memory latency will be same versus a kit running at 3200/cl16 or 3000/cl15.

get these crucial ballistix sticks instead, you can overclock them way beyond their rated speeds (Search for E-Die overclocking on the web to see approximate results) make sure they have "AES" in the model name and you're 100% guaranteed to have E-Die sticks.

CPU Cooler: while noctua is great and all , i personally think the NH-U12S is a waste of money at that price point, just use the stock cooler that comes with your ryzen cpu for a while and save those 70$ towards a noctua nh-u12a or a Noctua NH-D15 (Comes in black variant too now).


Motherboard: can't really recommend one , but instead i urge you to to look at this am4 motherboard list here they all have their own pros and cons, nothing is perfect :^)

XFX makes the best RX480, although if your budget allows for it I would spend an extra $40~ and get a FuryX. Cooling problem solved, and you have a lot of potential down the road.

Go for the ultrawide 29UM67 or 68.


If you don't want Ultrawide, look for the [LG 23MP68VQ] (https://www.amazon.co.uk/LG-23MP68VQ-23-Inch-Class-Monitor/dp/B01F1PSHVW/) it is at a good price on UK, USD $180.76 cheaper than amazon on USA.

This one only taking in consideration that 27" is too big for 1080p... IMO.

IPS, Freesync, 75Hz.

First if you're a gamer 3600x would be a better buy, since you will be able to turn on PBO and let it do it's magic, check the reviews again once a working Bios& agesa is shipped.

https://www.pc-kombo.com/us/benchmark/games/cpu/compare?ids[]=AMD+Ryzen+5+3600X&ids[]=AMD+Ryzen+5+3600

Then the x570 is most definitely unnecessary if you are just going for a budget 3600& non-PCIE4.0 SSD, as x570 will be the last of AM4.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/c7qj5e/am4_vcore_vrm_ratings_to_help_you_decide_on_a

From all the complains that people are posting, do avoid Asrock board, as their support for the cheap low end board is close to non existent in a timely manner,

With their poorly implemented Bios and one of kind budget components(for low end boards, Taichi is a totally different story) it will underperform atleast for sometime, compares to The other three brands.

And last, the RAM kit on your list is using Hynix CJR dies which you will have a very difficult time getting it even to 3600MhzCL16 with reasonable voltage.

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https://pcpartpicker.com/list/DspK6s

Here I've compiled a build that you can use as a reference, the RAM on the list rocks samsung B-die which can be easily tweaked to Zen2 sweetspot 3733Mhz with tight timings. Ofc there are much better price-performance options such as Micron E-dies https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07M9HZFP2 given if you don't need RGBs on your RAM.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07GWX5X26?pf_rd_p=183f5289-9dc0-416f-942e-e8f213ef368b&pf_rd_r=C6KWK23A2QQEDV9FN00X

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This one looks OK. Ryzen 2700 with a Vega 56.

Thanks for the reply, what do you think of the Micron E-Die on these Ballistix Sports?

On amazon they are showing them just not in stock basically like everywhere else. https://www.amazon.com/Sapphire-Radeon-PCI-Express-Graphics-21260-00-20G/dp/B01GTYIEG2?ie=UTF8&me=ATVPDKIKX0DER&ref_=olp_product_details

The most powerful Ryzen laptop you can get at the moment (but also the heaviest and most expensive): https://www.amazon.com/Acer-Predator-PH517-61-R0GX-Processor-Graphics/dp/B07GWX5X26

Otherwise this is probably something more geared towards your needs: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07G7GSM29

You can attach the Noctua NH-D15 and D15S with a kit they sell for 7$ in the states.

Noctua NM-AM4 Mounting Kit for Noctua CPU coolers on AMD AM4 platforms.

https://www.amazon.com/Noctua-NM-AM4-Mounting-coolers-platforms/dp/B01MTEFT52/ref=s9u_simh_gw_i1?_encoding=UTF8&fpl=fresh&pd_rd_i=B01MTEFT52&pd_rd_r=FZ9FPV9PDQHDF6AFX3F0&pd_rd_w=kXNxo&pd_rd_wg=IcIXX&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_s=&pf_rd_r=QRZ5VN0RQ3VYVS63JMP2&pf_rd_t=36701&pf_rd_p=781f4767-b4d4-466b-8c26-2639359664eb&pf_rd_i=desktop

Also they send you a free AM4 bracket for any approved cooler manufactured by them, but it took about 21 days to get mine. [That was Germany to the US and through customs]

https://www.amazon.co.uk/LG-23MP68VQ-23-Inch-Class-Monitor/dp/B01F1PSHVW

LG 23MP68VQ-P


IPS, 1080P Freesync over HDMI.

You are welcome.

180 euro's here so probably cheaper in the US.

here's a good example:

Acer XF240H bmjdpr 24-inch Full HD (1920 x 1080) G-SYNC Compatible Monitor

Try to get a Vega 56 on Monday for 409€. There are also some preorders for rx580 with not so insane prices

https://www.amazon.fr/Sapphire-11265-05-20G-graphique-Radeon-Express/dp/B071CQ5LRV/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1503833871&sr=8-2&keywords=rx+580

Depending on your gaming needs a ryzen 1700 + rx580 will be the better combination for productive work.

Why not an IPS FreeSync monitor, like the LG 23MP68VQ?

Personally getting this one: https://www.amazon.co.uk/LG-23MP68VQ-23-Inch-Class-Monitor/dp/B01F1PSHVW

IPS 1080p Freesync 40-75Hz (over HDMI) for 165€ is nice.

well, seems amazon is doing it now too. >:( selling the $499 vega for $700
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B074N1JN4F/ref=olp_product_details?_encoding=UTF8&me=

It's your lucky day

Yes you do...

AMD Athlon 200GE 2-Core 4-Thread AM4 Socket Desktop Processor with Radeon Vega Graphics (YD200GC6FBBOX) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07HJWVJDN/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_VhAjDbMA14KKR

The 8GB (OC'd) also has a listing. (Currently sold out.) Was anyone able to order or see the price? I'm curious because the non-OC'd version is selling for $270.

did you check everywhere?
this says it does international shipping,
https://www.amazon.com/Sapphire-Radeon-NITRO-GDDR5-11260-01-20G/dp/B01J1M4CZG/ref=sr_1_12?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1474705646&sr=1-12&refinements=p_n_shipping_option-bin%3A3242350011
if your country is eligible im sure the shipping cost wont be over $120

If you are going to go at the low end PC "low budget" take advantage of low price on sale that are going to start, example:

- Check CPU price on amazon for a reference:

https://www.amazon.com/Best-Sellers-Computers-Accessories-Computer-CPU-Processors/zgbs/pc/229189

Do you see the Ryzen 3 2200G APU (CPU+GPU) at this time is at ~89$?

Or the Athlon 200GE ~59$?

- Check MoBo price:

https://www.amazon.com/Best-Sellers-Computers-Accessories-Computer-Motherboards/zgbs/pc/1048424/ref=zg_bs_nav_pc_4_229189/140-5590597-4965200

Do you see the GIGABYTE GA-A320M-S2H MoBo at this time for ~50$

As you can see you can get all from ~110$ to ~140$ ( CPU + GPU + MoBo )!? :)

A socketed laptop with a 2700 with V56 and a 1080p144Hz display

with fully accessible drives and RAM

and you can overclock/undervolt it

https://www.amazon.com/Acer-Predator-PH517-61-R0GX-Processor-Graphics/dp/B07GWX5X26

The only thing slightly better would be a 3700X+5700 version of the same thing

If you don't want to go through the hassle of asking AMD for a bootkit, just get yourself an Athlon 200GE for $50 and hold on to it for this exact reason.

AM4 will support Ryzen 4xxx chips and the same situation will likely exist...

Pulse

Nitro

I'm leaning towards the nitro, just depends on when they become available.

I'm not too sure I'll be able to fetch a good price for this 290, however.

I'm waiting on Nitro+ as well. For those that do want the PCRD, it is pre orderable on Amazon now, but you have to wait a couple of weeks: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07WP6TYQ3?ref=em_1p_0_ti&ref_=pe_2409890_229390510

Same price on amazon.fr/.es
https://www.amazon.fr/Sapphire-11265-05-20G-graphique-Radeon-Express/dp/B071CQ5LRV
https://www.amazon.es/Sapphire-RADEON-GDDR5-PULSE-Radeon/dp/B071CQ5LRV

I ordered one on co.uk, but I have no idea when it will be available :)

lul

One of the 5 star reviews about the card is about improving mining efficiency, oh how sad.

The Acer Predator Helios 500 is the only one I know of that sells with a desktop 2700 on Amazon. Custom builders like Origin, Xoticpc, and others also offer them, but on their websites and as part of barebones laptops that you have to select parts for.

amazon has been spotted

https://www.amazon.com/Sapphire-Radeon-PCI-Express-Graphics-21260-00-20G/dp/B01GTYIEG2?ie=UTF8&me=ATVPDKIKX0DER&ref_=olp_product_details

and

https://www.amazon.com/XFX-Radeon-Graphics-Cards-RX480M8BFA6/dp/B01H3P9CKI?ie=UTF8&me=ATVPDKIKX0DER&ref_=olp_product_details

you can pick one up from Amazon for 8 bucks and have it in short order. https://www.amazon.com/Noctua-NM-AM4-Mounting-Coolers-Platforms/dp/B01MTEFT52/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=nm-am4&link_code=qs&qid=1567795212&s=gateway&sourceid=Mozilla-search&sr=8-1

US. https://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B074N1JN4F/ref=olp_f_new?ie=UTF8&f_new=true

It's not showing up anymore, but there was a 699 listing shipped and sold by Amazon.

If you want stronk IPS: https://www.amazon.com/Dell-SE2717HX-RVJXC-Full-Monitor/dp/B01LXTK4T6/ref=dp_ob_title_ce

If you want 144 Hz:

Either this: https://www.amazon.com/Acer-XF240H-bmjdpr-24-inch-FreeSync/dp/B01DHTWZRQ/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1482965114&sr=8-2&keywords=144+hz+freesync+monitor

or this: https://www.amazon.com/AOC-G2460PF-24-Inch-Gaming-Monitor/dp/B01BV1XBEI/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1482965114&sr=8-1&keywords=144+hz+freesync+monitor

Well, 5700XT Red Devil is 439$

https://www.amazon.com/PowerColor-Devil-Radeon-GDDR6-Graphics/dp/B07WP6TYQ3/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=5700+xt+red+devil&qid=1574436823&sr=8-1

2070 Super Gaming OC is 499$
https://www.amazon.com/GIGABYTE-GeForce-Windforce-Graphics-GV-N207SWF3OC-8GD/dp/B07WN6RVHH/ref=sr_1_5?keywords=2070+super+gaming+oc&qid=1574436850&sr=8-5

It's not a 100$ Difference, more akin to a 60$ difference.

I would like to try it on my vega 56 card but i have found its measurements are:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMD_RX_Vega_series - 12.5×109 486 mm2
40x40 pads

Amazon as someone else has mentioned

https://www.amazon.com/Sapphire-Radeon-PCI-Express-Graphics-21260-00-20G/dp/B01GTYIEG2/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1467741890&sr=8-4&keywords=rx+480

https://camelcamelcamel.com/Gigabyte-GV-RXVEGA64-8GD-B-Radeon-Graphic-Cards/product/B074N1JN4F?context=search

There is one, $699 direct from Amazon

MSRP should be $599 since I think its a bundle with the games / discount coupons.

The Gigabyte Air version is still available on Amazon for $599 GV-RXVEGA64-8GD-B

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B074N1JN4F/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER&psc=1

where do you live because on Amazon it's £5 more.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/AMD-Ryzen-8-Core-Wraith-Cooler/dp/B07B41717Z

Amazon has it on backorder

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07WP6TYQ3

I pre-ordered the asus prime x370 pro witch I think has similar mounting holes. EDIT: at closer look it doesn't look like it has the same holes as the VI Hero.

No.

A 200GE would have been much better and cheaper: https://www.amazon.co.uk/AMD-YD200GC6FBBOX-Athlon-Processor-Graphics/dp/B07HJWVJDN

200GE is newer and based on ryzen architecture and it has better Vega 3 graphics

a8-9600 is based on old terrible FX

I like Noctua but not enough to drop $100 for just a CPU cooler. I went with the Scythe Mugen Rev.B, it's another big bastard cooler with similar performance for half the price, smarter buy imo.

really curious why the amazon page shows 3200mhz (OC) as the max ram speed... Checked the official Asus site and it shows only 2666, so I guess thats the real answer? I guess I can cheap out on ram after all... Really annoyed with the mixed info.
https://www.amazon.com/Prime-X370-Pro-Ryzen-Motherboard-Lighting/dp/B06WD4N297

If you are going by this : http://imgur.com/uMUCEmt

as the basis of a 490, I am sorry to break it to you but it is a Typo.. the part number is a REF RX480

https://www.amazon.com/Sapphire-Radeon-PCI-Express-Graphics-21260-00-20G/dp/B01GTYIEG2

All Kits with AES in the part number have Rev E chips

16GB (2x8GB)

• https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B07M9HZFP2
  
• https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B07MGPH9R9
  
• https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B07MGPH9R9
  
• https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B07MNJP6RW
  
• https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B07MNJTHF1
  
• https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B07MNJKPSK
  
• https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B07M5RLBKF (Cheapest ATM)
  
  32GB (2x16GB)
  
  
• https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B07MR1HWXT
  
• https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B07M5RKH5Z
  
• https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B07MNJTVF2
  
• https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B07MNJGP3G
  
• https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B07MNJNSQ9
  
• https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B07MD3WDLS
  
• https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B07MNJHJ2G

No complaints, works great for just $199. 144HZ Freesync

https://www.amazon.com/Acer-XF240H-bmjdpr-24-inch-FreeSync/dp/B01DHTWZRQ/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1493318725&sr=8-1&keywords=freesync+144

This will be a very quiet and temps will be lower too. And it's half the price of even a cheap water solution.

Acer XF240H bmjdpr 24-inch Full HD (1920 x 1080) AMD FreeSync Display (Display Port, DVI & HDMI Port, 144Hz Refresh Rate) $199

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01DHTWZRQ/ref=ask_ql_qh_dp_hza

this one was 189.99 only a week ago.

Regarding shipping locations available you have to check on the product page.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/LG-23MP68VQ-23-Inch-Class-Monitor/dp/B01F1PSHVW/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1469444026&sr=8-1&keywords=23mp68vq

I just bought this one https://www.amazon.co.uk/LG-23MP68VQ-23-Inch-Class-Monitor/dp/B01F1PSHVW 23" ips with FreeSync over hdmi (range is only 45hz-75hz tho)

You didn't specify a price range, and I'm not familiar with what they normally go for in Canada but: https://www.amazon.ca/Sapphire-Radeon-PCI-Express-Graphics-21260-00-20G/dp/B01GTYIEG2/ref=sr_1_1?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1469476080&sr=1-1&keywords=RX+480


or https://www.overclockers.co.uk/search?sSearch=RX+480 They ship to Canada, just add a card to basket and in basket you can choose country and see price incl. VAT.

https://www.amazon.com/XFX-Radeon-Graphics-Cards-RX480M8BFA6/dp/B01H3P9CKI?ie=UTF8&me=ATVPDKIKX0DER&ref_=olp_product_details

https://www.amazon.com/Sapphire-Radeon-PCI-Express-Graphics-21260-00-20G/dp/B01GTYIEG2?ie=UTF8&me=ATVPDKIKX0DER&ref_=olp_product_details

I found these listings for it in the US:

4GB OC - Amazon: $229

8GB Non-OC - Amazon: $269

8GB OC - Amazon: $(279?)

8GB OC - Newegg: $279

I'll edit this if I find any more listings

https://www.amazon.com/Sapphire-Radeon-NITRO-GDDR5-11260-01-20G/dp/B01J1M4CZG/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1472922714&sr=8-1&keywords=Sapphire+Rx+480

2.35 lb

Just as a side note this is the OC version
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01J1M4CZG

What exactly are the differences between these two 8GB models?

https://www.amazon.com/Sapphire-Radeon-NITRO-GDDR5-11260-07-20G/dp/B01J1M4BZ2

https://www.amazon.com/Sapphire-Radeon-NITRO-GDDR5-11260-01-20G/dp/B01J1M4CZG

Meanwhile Noctua gives free AM4 mounting kits for their coolers now if you provide proof of ownership of a Noctua cooler + AM4 mobo or CPU.

Or you can buy it now.

You can get an x370 Mobo for only $20 more. Use the code BIGTHANKS to get $8.62 off.

https://www.amazon.com/Asus-PRIME-X370-PRO-ASUS-Motherboard/dp/B06WD4N297/ref=sr_1_6?ie=UTF8&qid=1487804676&sr=8-6&keywords=ryzen+motherboard

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B06WD4N297?ref=emc_b_5_t

X370 Prime Pro is also up. 170$. Cheapest X370 right now.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B06WD4N297/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s02?ie=UTF8&psc=1


Read the reviews. Memory issues and board not posting.

Define "budget."

https://www.amazon.com/Mugen-Rev-CPU-Cooler-Support/dp/B06ZYB8K77

Some RX 580's 8GB for preorder at a NORMAL price.

Sapphire Pulse:

• 240€ https://www.amazon.fr/dp/B071CQ5LRV
  
• 248€ https://www.amazon.es/dp/B071CQ5LRV
  
  Sapphire Nitro+:
  
• 240£ (~260€) https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B071Y7CKM2
  
  MSI Gaming X+:
  
• 295€ https://www.amazon.fr/dp/B071CKS8Q5
  
  
  Meanwhile, 20/6-20/8, two months of Aorus XTR preorder from amazon.de...
  

https://www.amazon.co.uk/SAPPHIRE-Pulse-Radeon-GDDR5-Graphics/dp/B071CQ5LRV/ref=sr_1_1?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1504615679&sr=1-1&keywords=rx+580

https://www.amazon.com/AMD-Desktop-Processor-Stealth-YD1200BBAEBOX/dp/B0741DN383/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1501202142&sr=1-1&keywords=ryzen+1200

is your browser not working?

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0741DN383/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_X9DgDbNW0PZRC

Do you have a link? I'm not seeing that here when I search for that same model.

so does WaPo

Here's another one:

https://www.amazon.com/Sapphire-Technology-21276-00-20G-Graphics-Card/dp/B0752K3GX5/ref=sr_1_2?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1503925510&sr=1-2&keywords=sapphire+rx+vega+56

https://smile.amazon.com/Sapphire-Technology-21276-00-20G-Graphics-Card/dp/B0752K3GX5/ref=sr_1_2?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1503925601&sr=1-2&keywords=sapphire+vega+56

https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B0752K3GX5/ref=ya_aw_od_pi?ie=UTF8&psc=1

https://www.amazon.com/Sapphire-Technology-21276-00-20G-Graphics-Card/dp/B0752K3GX5

The Vega 56 is also down to $399
https://www.amazon.com/XFX-Radeon-Graphic-Cards-RX-VEGMTBFX6/dp/B07532T488/ref=sr_1_2?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1509583922&sr=1-2&keywords=vega%2B64&dpID=41rUn7%252BhtPL&preST=_SX300_QL70_&dpSrc=srch&th=1

https://www.amazon.com/XFX-Radeon-Graphic-Cards-RX-VEGMLBFX6/dp/B07532T488/

>AMD Ryzen 7 2700 Processor with Wraith Spire LED Cooler

https://www.amazon.com/Innovation-Cooling-Graphite-Thermal-Pad/dp/B07CK9SHZG/ref=sr_1_2?crid=1M9MMLSGCTD2D&keywords=graphite+thermal+pad&qid=1568119585&s=gateway&sprefix=graphite+ther%2Caps%2C150&sr=8-2

Close: 2700 in a thicc laptop.

Not enough people know about this little okay, big, but still a gem:

Acer Predator Helios 500 - Ryzen 2700 + Vega 56 for $1300.

sabrent 1TB NVME just 99$:

https://www.amazon.com/Sabrent-Rocket-Internal-Performance-SB-ROCKET-1TB/dp/B07LGF54XR/ref=cm_cr_arp_d_product_top?ie=UTF8

as ssd benchmark:

https://imgur.com/a/cbAqH8t

Sabrent Rocket 1tb is cheaper and faster. £109

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Sabrent-Rocket-Internal-Performance-SB-ROCKET-2TB/dp/B07LGF54XR?th=1

the PCI 4.0 version £199!

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Sabrent-Internal-Maximum-Performance-SB-ROCKET-NVMe4-1TB/dp/B07TLYWMYW/ref=sr_1_2?keywords=sabrent+rocket+pcie+4&qid=1574122135&s=computers&sr=1-2

wait for friday

Should the 3200 CL16 sets hit the same speed, or is it only the 3000 CL15 sets that clock so well?

https://www.amazon.com/Ballistix-Sport-PC4-24000-288-Pin-Memory/dp/B07M9HZFP2

Ballistix Sport LT 16GB Kit (8GBx2) DDR4 3200 MT/s (PC4-25600) CL16 SR x8 DIMM 288-Pin Memory - BLS2K8G4D32AESCK (White)

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07M9HZFP2/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_9kOjDbEVMV39X

Micron e-die, should OC to 3733 from reports I’ve seen.

Here's the link just in case: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07WP6TYQ3/ref=sr_1_18?keywords=rx+5700+xt&qid=1566503017&refinements=p_n_feature_four_browse-bin%3A6066318011%2Cp_n_availability%3A1248801011%2Cp_36%3A40999-&rnid=386442011&s=pc&sr=1-18

I didn't plan on buying this, but I saw it was in stock, so I did:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07532T488

Expected to ship September 6. I already have a GTX 1070 that works fine. Wondering if I should keep the order or cancel.

I would not buy the 2070Super and buy a 5700xt and with the savings squeeze a SSD in there as you will see major speed increases over a regular old spinning hard drive.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B07WP6TYQ3/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_awdb_t1_dKEYDbE2KC58V

LG have a few new ones. I bought this one recently from Amazon UK for £125. Couldn't recommend enough.

there is one a bit cheaper on amazon.fr
https://www.amazon.fr/Sapphire-11265-05-20G-graphique-Radeon-Express/dp/B071CQ5LRV
preordered mine ~3 weeks ago, still waiting, they answered some guy on amazon that they could be available around ~15th... I have my doubts

Nice monitor op. An off topic question: I live in 3rd world Africa, and freesync monitors are not really sold by local vendors. Im looking to import from amazon this Monitor for the equvalent of $440 :(

Seeing that it would be almost impossible to send it back, how reliable are new monitors thees days, am I taking too big of a risk?

https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B07CK9SHZG/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o02_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

You didnt HAVE to smear it with grizzly :/

Gz. I ordered mine 4 days after you, Sapphire’s Pulse version and haven’t had an update other than the price drop.

But the I bought a Vega 56 on launch day because I couldn’t wait, now I won’t know what to do with the 580 if it does ship...

The good news, creating my own substrate out of thermal pads and the use of a graphite pad was EXTREMELY effective, but also quite risky in the channels of the DIE and HBM. You can see closely that the silicon has chipped off after a couple of times I dug out my DIY substrate with metal tweezers. This was my resolution for about a week and you can see my largest problem here is board warp from my custom mount. I was working to fix this warping so my mounting pressure was even and this is when I was not paying attention as mis-assembled the water block mount.

Images: https://imgur.com/a/WnoHkOZ

Final Products:

• https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00N1QZY4M Polyimide Film Adhesive Tape
  
  
• https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07CK9SHZG Innovation Cooling Graphite Thermal Pad
  
  
• https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00UYTTXSM Arctic - Thermal Pad 145 x 145 x 1.0 mm
  
  YMMV, I would recommend a 1.5mm pad for the surround. The channel needs to be vertically installed and 1.0mm was good for me but installation must be meticulous. Several cuts for the channels should be made to optimize single installation, correct height with no overlap and appropriate top-to-bottom coverage. Do not use a metal pick/tweezers, cut a Q-Tip at an angle to create a channel clearing device https://i.imgur.com/uvmWLrW.jpg. Protect your chip giblits with the Polyimide tape or nail polish, preferred over cutting the thermal pad, the extra pad is desired for mounting variability.

Hehe. $8 for you, £25 for us. smh.

Your best bet for a AMD gaming laptop for 144hz- https://www.amazon.com/Acer-Predator-PH517-61-R0GX-Processor-Graphics/dp/B07GWX5X26

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The best advice I can give is to build a desktop for gaming and have a low power laptop for mobility if you need to use a computer on the move. AMD based laptops are usually a bad idea as the performance per watt is poor compared to Nvidia cards. So you get a thick, loud, and Hot laptop with poor battery life for more money than an nvidia based laptop.

Where are you getting those prices? the i9 usually goes for $500 no? And here's the ryzen 7 2700 for $265

I'm using the Mugen 5 scythe rev. B instead of the stock cooler. On the Ryzen Master stress test, 100% load all cores, I reach 81 degrees with all cores at 4075 Mhz with PBO on. I'll keep an eye out in games to see what temps/clocks I reach during normal loads.

I've seen Fury X lower than Fury now and then. This XFX Fury X from amazon, for example, is currently $460USD

Having said that, you could also hang around /r/hardwareswap and look for lightly used ones. I see over there someone selling two Fury X for $650 or $350 each. This seems like a reasonable price to pay until Vega - you can then sell the Fury and get something back, not sure how much it might go for then, but you'll pretty much be sure to get something.

Sapphire is selling theirs to for the same price but no backplate I don't see why anyone would get it over the XFX though.

Available from Amazon now too but it's from a third-party seller and the price is ridiculous

https://www.amazon.com/AMD-4-Thread-Processor-Graphics-YD200GC6FBBOX/dp/B07HJWVJDN

The Fury X is only $308 on Amazon.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0106IJXX0/

There's a fury x on sale at amazon for $300 right now. https://www.amazon.com/XFX-R9-FURY-4QFA-RADEON-FURY-3xDP/dp/B0106IJXX0/ref=sr_1_11?ie=UTF8&qid=1484502820&sr=8-11&keywords=radeon+fury

Wait another 4 hour for vega presentation.
Also you might want to check Fury X. Its only $320 now with water cooling. $300 after rebate. Or you can literally buy it for $260-280 with purse.io.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0106IJXX0/

Well the Sapphire RX VEGA 56 black was in-stock for MSRP for a full minute before it became out of stock and disappeared from search results, you need a link to access it now : https://www.amazon.com/Sapphire-Technology-21276-00-20G-Graphics-Card/dp/B0752K3GX5/ref=sr_1_8?m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1503925253&sr=1-8&keywords=rx+vega+56&refinements=p_6%3AATVPDKIKX0DER

Hell, it wasn't even listed as "RX VEGA 56", it went by a model number and the graphics coprocessor on the product page listed the card as a " Radeon R9 Fury X ", but the item model number correctly points to a RX VEGA 56. Managed to snag one, we'll see if it ever ships.

couple of points

amazon is likely to have higher than msrp, regardless. why? history. fury x $30 above msrp at $679.99. how much will it be for vega,? not sure. is it for sure going to happen with vega? no guarantee but i'd say likely.

however, i'd say the sky already fell when the FE came out and showed us what we all feared: amd will not compete with halo nvidia like they have in the past.

after that it's all somewhat minor issues now.

EDIT: http://imgur.com/59ErO8B

user experience and machine longevity; perhaps watching those movies or youtube in 4k.

watching movies stutter-free while downloading or compiling or exporting video now that your sibling has decided to become a programmer or youtuber.

if starting at intel G4400 (a crappy experience), you're only talking $120 for double the cpu power plus dgpu. you'd spend more than that upgrading the shitty machine in a couple years, meanwhile the amd would still be holding its ground. i agree some would think they'd prefer the G4400 but it'll fall short of expectations and they'll want to replace it sooner than they might think, thus the short term saving becomes a long term loss.

if you start with a more and more reasonable intel cpu, the price to go double the power with amd drops to $50 in the low-mid range, and becomes $0 or cheaper at the mid and high ranges.

ryzen 1200: $109
nvidia 1030: $67

You just missed This Fury X for 308$, Maybe look into a normal fury, This Fury was 256$ yesterday, maybe keep an eye on these 2 for a couple days, they might drop again.

Good luck.

Huh. Fury X is at $400 on amazon. Once that gets to $350, I'll probably jump and xfire it with my fury air.