It is but don’t waste that money.



https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00B4FY8YO/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_QoRKAbBW18T9F



And then some Coleman butane/propane fuel from Walmart for $5


And then a good liter camp cup. I recommend this

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B007OJKI2U/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_kvRKAbZDCD0DN


And then a French press.

You can be selfish:

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00F9ZTL6U/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_-wRKAbS4WN09P


Or be the hero the platoon needs:

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B012FRA8UC/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_myRKAbK7P7BYP

Titanium Pot - 28 oz savings ($35)

Drop The mug, just use your pot - 4 oz savings (free)

Trowel instead of shovel - 16 oz savings ($20)

Drop the solar panel (doesn't really work well on the move) - 10-ish savings (free)

Sawyer Squeeze instead of Katadyn - 8 oz savings ($30)

Dance Pants instead of packed pants - 14 oz saved ($18) although you probably dont need these since you're wearing zip off pants

I would add a puffy to your clothing, it will get pretty cold - 10 oz gained (can be found on sale for $40)

Leave the extra shirts at home - 12 oz saved (free)

Just bring one extra payer of underwear and socks - 6 oz saved (free)

Leave campshoes at home - 23 oz saved (free)

I really don't know what the survival kit contains, but it can probably be paired down or eliminated

Don't know what the carabiners are for if you're hanging stuff outside your pack you're bringing too much - 4 oz saved (free)

Don't know what the tarp is for the sierras, you already have a tent

125 oz saved or almost 8 pounds. Coming in at a cost around $150.

I would start here and then look at replacing your bigger items. The easiest one to save the most weight would be your pack.

Hope this helps!

I'd highly recommend going with a Soto Amicus ($40) or Windmaster ($65) instead. The Amicus is really nice and the Windmaster is more deluxe with nicer performance specs. I have an Amicus and love it. It's reliable, wind resistant, efficient, simmers pretty well, light, compact.

Some people here are fans of the BRS-3000 stove but be aware that even though it's even lighter and cheaper, it has terrible wind performance, bad efficiency, takes longer to boil, doesn't simmer very well, has lots of reports of collapsing or just crapping out completely.

Getting one of those stoves along with a nice titanium pot, you'll be much lighter and more compact than a Jetboil. You can choose the size and shape of pot you want rather than being locked into a heavy proprietary one, and you can switch pots which would be nice if you're sharing your stove with other people who have their own mug or pot.

For pots I'd recommend the Toaks 550 Light or 650 Light for their light weight and convenient shape and handles. But there are lots of other great pots to choose from depending on your cooking style.

To give you an idea of weight: my Amicus is 2.54oz, my 550 pot and lid is 2.52oz, for a total of 5.06oz. Compared to the lightest Jetboil which is 12oz.

an 8X10 equinox tarp, $45 shipped:
http://www.amazon.com/Equinox-145774-Egret-Tarps-8-Feet/dp/B000C3MIL4/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1394138363&sr=8-1&keywords=equinox+tarp

Wetterlings Forest axe, $110
http://www.amazon.com/S-A-Wetterling-Axe-Wetterlings-Axes/dp/B002NWT68K/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1394138611&sr=8-1&keywords=wetterlings

wide mouth stainless steel water bottle, $16
http://www.amazon.com/Klean-Kanteen-Stainless-Brushed-64-Ounce/dp/B0093IS22I/ref=sr_1_6?ie=UTF8&qid=1394138674&sr=8-6&keywords=klean+kanteen

Mora bushcraft, $50 (includes firesteel)
http://www.amazon.com/Morakniv-Bushcraft-Carbon-Survival-Starter/dp/B00BFI8TOA/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1394138730&sr=8-1&keywords=mora+bushcraft

100 feet of parachute cord, $9
http://www.amazon.com/Rothco-Commercial-Paracord-550-Pound-50-Feet/dp/B000S5ODN2/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1394138780&sr=8-2&keywords=paracord

MSR stainless steel pot: $20 (I have one of these, they're fantastic)
http://www.amazon.com/MSR-321109-Stowaway-Pot-1-1-Liter/dp/B000FBSZGU/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1394138913&sr=8-1&keywords=msr+alpine+pot

leather work gloves, $13
http://www.amazon.com/Carhartt-Grain-Leather-Driver-Glove/dp/B005I34I5W/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1394139051&sr=8-2&keywords=leather+work+gloves

That all adds up to $263.

brand isn't that important, but you can also find the following on Amazon for probably around or under $60-$70 total.

1. a wool hat and gloves
   
   
2. stormproof matches (look for the NATO approved ones)
   
   
3. water treatment tablets
   
   
4. a space blanket
   
   
5. a basic first aid kit
   
   
6. a sewing kit
   
   
7. a bandana or other cotton scarf (keffiyeh, etc.)
   
   
8. A stainless steel or titanium backpackers spoon or spork (spoon on one end, fork on the other)
   
   
   The remaining money, probably about $150, I would put on a gift card to EMS, REI, Cabela's, or some other outdoor goods store where he can get some basic outdoor clothing or fill any remaining gaps with his gear, such as a pack. I generally don't recommend bags over the internet because it's so important that you try one on in person before buying it.

I wear the SureFire EP3's a lot- i work in the live events industry and they are awesome for still being able to hear a speaking voice while being in a very loud envirionment.

My time to shine! I'm big into canoe camping. All the links I'm giving you are from Amazon Canada but you can get the same stuff on Amazon USA.

• Get a backpacker's stove. You can get a cheap one from Amazon like this or this.
  
  
• Get a cookpot off of Amazon too like a Toaks pot or Stanley pot.
  
  
• Get a water filter like the Katadyn BeFree.
  
  
• Get a spork.
  
  
• Get a frying pan that has a handle that can fold up. There are a ton of options for this on Amazon.
  
  
• Don't forget a spatula. You can get smaller, lighter options for this on Amazon.
  
  Now you're all set for anything you have to cook.
  
  Food suggestions:
  
  
• Frozen meat for the first night
  
• Frozen bacon for the first morning
  
• Eggs for the first morning
  
• Salami
  
• Bagged tuna
  
• Bagged salmon
  
• Fish (if caught)
  
• Babybel cheeses
  
• Nuts
  
• Seeds
  
• Beef jerky
  
• Low carb tortillas
  
• Avocado for the first day
  
• Mayo packets
  
• Dark chocolate
  
• Oatmeal packages
  
• Dehydrated fruit like peaches and strawberries
  
• Dehydrated veggies like peppers and onions and mushrooms
  
• Parmesan cheese
  
• Salt, pepper, seasonings
  
• Dehydrated meals from MEC or REI (you can get regular options and low carb options)
  
• Bagged quick cook rice
  
  I tend to not eat three meals a day when paddling. I have breakfast and dinner and maybe some snacks during the day.
  
  Be mindful that if you are paddling and hiking and portaging you're going to be burning huge amounts of calories. If you're just lazing about on a dinghy maybe not so much.

i had those and they always fell out, im pretty happy with these though

https://smile.amazon.com/SureFire-Defenders-filtered-Earplugs-reusable/dp/B009T9QXXQ

https://smile.amazon.com/SureFire-Defenders-filtered-Earplugs-reusable/dp/B004DH7HMA


both the rubber and the foam versions work well for me, i have both becuase they are cheap and i lose shit all the time so i have a pair in the glove box, one in my desk, one in my toolbox lol

I went with a ALPS Mountaineering Lynx 1-Person Tent for sleeping with a Camp Solutions Lightweight Self-Inflating Air Sleeping Pad. Had a 40 degree bag/quilt from Walmart since I was traveling in August time frame.

Took this chair that really came in handy Moon Lence Outdoor Ultralight Portable Folding Chairs with Carry Bag Heavy Duty 242lbs Capacity Camping Folding Chairs Beach Chairs

Cooking set I used was 12pcs Camping Cookware Stove Canister Stand Tripod Folding Spork Wine Opener Carabiner Set Bisgear(TM) Outdoor Camping Hiking Backpacking Non-stick Cooking Non-stick Picnic Knife Spoon Dishcloth. It was good enough for the 3 weeks on the road and im still using it to this day.

Seat cushion which was good but I needed something much thicker by the end of the trip MadDog GearComfort Ride Seat Protector

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I just put all that into a waterproof 45L bag I had and then shoved my clothes into a backpack on top. Jerry rigged a canvas bag on the side for quick access things like tools and such. The net thing on top of my bags was very very helpful as well. I used these hammock straps to tie everything down on the bike since I could use them again PYS outdoor XL Hammock Straps Heavy Duty 20FT & 40 Loops&100% No Stretch (Set of 2) Fits All Hammocks

Other than that it was miscellaneous stuff...

The MSR Titan holds a fuel canister and pocket rocket. It's great for dehydrated meals or ramen for 1-2 people.

4.2oz gets you 0.9L volume, a snug-fitting lid with a handle that stays upright, and a decent pour spout. $60 on the 'zon:

MSR Titan Kettle https://www.amazon.com/dp/B000FBSZF6/

$15.96 for MSR Alpine Stowaway Pot

30% off Therm-a-Rest RidgeRest Classic

I'm really into the single serving Mountian House meals, they taste better than what I make at home. Walmart carries them like $5 each. One for breakfast, one for dinner, and for lunch snacks, Oh! Ricey instant noodles (way better than ramen) or whatever for lunch. Throw a couple Vinacafe sachets for the morning coffee and you're all set!

I'm not Asian but I've found out that the Asian markets (specifically Vietnamese) carry the BEST food for backpacking. They're big into freeze dried, dehydrated stuff with tons of flavor their culture isn't big into refrigeration.

As far as stoves go? I use this one, works great. Oh, and a Sawyer mini filter.

What about a [40oz Kleen Kanteen] (https://www.amazon.ca/Klean-Kanteen-Stainless-40-Ounce-Brushed/dp/B0093IS19C/) and a 750ml Toaks pot? $90 CAD plus tax for the two together.

*Edit: didn't catch the part about being made in Canada. Guessing both of these are from China...

I use this Toaks 750ml Ti pot. Weighs 3.8oz with stuff sack, and I use it to store and keep safe the rest of my cook kit plus some kitchen incidentals like coffee, tea bags, etc.

Just get something like this - they are nesting pots so actually one size can fit in another, but what I do is just have one size, and keep survival/cooking stuff/burner inside of it in my army bag. Makes too much sense to have a pot like this and not heat soup in a can like a bum.

msr titan is on a fantastic sale at amazon right now, $35.96 shipped: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000FBSZF6/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

reg price $60. camelcamelcamel says current price is the lowest ever.


edit: why was this downvoted?

e2: deal is dead. :(

Welcome aboard! :D

I think you will be fine with 35mm tyres. Here's the trick - if it becomes too much you just hitchike through the gravel sections. Hitchhiking is super popular and you won't have issues with it (as a plan B). Honestly, more often than not people I've met would just fly in, buy a used semi-shitty bike and equipment, ride for a month or two, and then sell the bikes. I brought my own since I had contact points (saddle, handlebar) adjusted several times over prior months.

As for camping - it's a mix of paid campsite (usually 5-10 USD) and wild camping. I personally stayed in paid ones when I had a chance - showers (often cold ones though), kitchen, and company are a big draw for me. I wild camped three time, only one of them was "stealth", meaning I just camped on the side of the road. Second one I just asked the permission to camp on what looked like somebody's property and they said "sure thing", and third we camped at the shore of the river where lots of other people camped. For equipment - check out /r/Ultralight - a lot of stuff they recommend is pricey, but at the same time there are a lot of people looking to go on the cheap. I would personally recommend Naturehike Taga 2p tent - it's very light, it's a chinese knock off a well known brand, so it's a good design, and people being saying very nice things about the quality. It can be had for ~100 USD I believe (check out AliExpress or Amazon , whichever is cheaper). You main expenditure items will be sleeping pad and sleeping bag. For pad you want inflatable insulated compact one. If you can afford it - go for Sea To Summit UL Comfort, or NeoAir XLite. If you can't - check out Klymit Insulated Static V. For sleeping bags there are just too many options for me to recommend anything, plus you're headed somewhere where it's not going to get cold at night in January, so there are millions of options.

Other things you're going to need:

• Stove (I used this one and love it - it's compact, it's light, it's cheap, and it's reliable. The drawback is that it takes a bit more time to boil water, and it can be a bit unstable due to small size, but the alternative is like 50$ more so I just live with it. https://www.amazon.com/Etekcity-Ultralight-Portable-Backpacking-Ignition/dp/B00B4FY8YO/ref=s9u_simh_gw_i1?_encoding=UTF8&fpl=fresh&pd_rd_i=B00B4FY8YO&pd_rd_r=FQNGM82TNCGE7MVAP130&pd_rd_w=9GBOP&pd_rd_wg=9qjrK&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_s=&pf_rd_r=2RQM0WMC7CQWCFAHNXFQ&pf_rd_t=36701&pf_rd_p=781f4767-b4d4-466b-8c26-2639359664eb&pf_rd_i=desktop)
  
• Rainjacket. Yeah, it's going to rain sometimes.
  
• Pot(s) to cook in. Again, no need to go fancy, I use a set of these ones: https://www.amazon.com/MalloMe-Camping-Cookware-Folding-10-Piece/dp/B01743BX1A/ref=pd_bxgy_468_img_3?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=B01743BX1A&pd_rd_r=R9CMCK2HC8H2F0SZRHMK&pd_rd_w=rifN7&pd_rd_wg=UzODw&psc=1&refRID=R9CMCK2HC8H2F0SZRHMK
  
• Warm compact UL jacket. This is what you put on in the evening in the camp if the cold wind picks up. People often go for down jacket and that's a good options, but down doesn't deal well with moisture, so for Patagonia I would actually consider synthetic insulated jacket. /r/Ultralight has a long list of threads discussing cheap (~30$) options from AliExpress - check them out.
  
  All of this together can be had for under 400 USD easily, maybe even 300. That would only be 5-6 nights in a hotel.
  
  Things to consider although not critical:
  
  
• merino shirts and underwear. I never quite understood why people were so crazy about merino until I tried it on my trip. When you sweat it dries up in couple minutes, it doesn't smell (like, I cycled and hiked and slept in two shirts for two weeks and they didn't smell at the end), it's very light, it keeps you warm when it's chilly and cool when it's hot.
  
• Power bank - charging even in campsites is somewhat of a challenge since there are approximately 20 devices macguyvered to a single outlet. With 20,000 mAH bank I only needed to recharge it once in two weeks (I charged my phone off of it every night + a camera battery once).
  
  To reiterate on safety - part I was in virtually has no crime. At no point the situation looked even remotely sketchy. Honestly, the scariest part of the trip by far was deciding to go.

> some general car camping/trail pots for cooking

I never use the same pots for car camping and backpacking. All I need for backpacking is one kettle that's shaped to be easy to pour out of. Low wide pots are harder to pour from without spilling. Something like this. For car camping I like larger enamelware pots like this.

Your stove is fairly heavy, you can save 9 oz with a BRS3000 (.9 oz) and a light aluminum or Ti pot. This is the cheapest way to lighten up if you want to stay with a cannister. A DIY ethanol stove is cheaper and lighter still.

Do you need such a heavy battery?

Are you bringing a phone?

This is what I'm using now, but I don't use anything except the pot. I should have got something like this. It's more expensive but it's lighter and doesn't come with anything unnecessary. They both have stuff sacks.

The Osprey Atmos is a more popular backpack than that Volt. Fit is really the most important part of this - so if you have a chance to try either on - that would be ideal.

• https://www.amazon.com/Osprey-Packs-Atmos-Backpack-Abyss/dp/B077H252N3
  
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  These poles are better than the ones you have listed:
  
  
• https://www.amazon.com/Cascade-Mountain-Tech-Aluminum-Collapsible/dp/B01L2HYPNW
  
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  The North Face Venture jacket is more popular / recommended than the Resolve:
  
  
• https://www.amazon.com/North-Face-Mens-Venture-Jacket/dp/B01HQSBER6
  
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  Skip the solar charger. A USB battery pack is way more useful. Solar are just too bulky and low charge for the effort. Get 2 if you really need the power.
  
  
• https://www.amazon.com/Anker-PowerCore-Ultra-Compact-High-Speed-Technology/dp/B0194WDVHI
  
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  Tent is really small and not a popular/quality brand. How much time will you spend sleeping in this? Every night? Have you ever slept in a 1-person bivy style shelter before? Where will your backpack go at night? I would not recommend this. If you really need to go this cheap (under $100 is SUPER low for a quality ultralight backpacking tent) - then consider Nature Hike brand. They are a knockoff Chineese company that's somewhat good.
  
  
• https://www.amazon.com/Naturehike-Cloud-Up-Lightweight-Backpacking-Footprint/dp/B07HND44Z1
  
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  That sleeping bag is garbage. It's super bulky and not very warm. The 32F rating is a straight up lie.
  
  I recommend this bag instead:
  
  
• https://www.amazon.com/Kelty-Cosmic-Degree-Down-Sleeping/dp/B07MD224VW
  
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  You also need a sleeping pad. Not optional. Check this out:
  
  
• https://www.amazon.com/Klymit-Insulated-Static-Lite-Sleeping/dp/B00UW7LEOW
  
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  100% skip that hammer multitool. WOW is that thing bad. If you need a knife - buy a knife. You do not need a hammer for backpacking.
  
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  The headlamp is great, good choice.
  
  The stove / pot / cook kit is okay. It's a popular budget option. If you could spend a bit more there are better choices. For example:
  
  
• https://www.amazon.com/TOAKS-TOA-POT-750-Titanium-750ml-Pot/dp/B009B98FGW
  
• https://www.amazon.com/MSR-PocketRocket-Ultralight-Backpacking-Camping/dp/B01N5O7551
  
• https://www.amazon.com/Optimus-8016166-Titanium-long-spoon/dp/B0045UA8G2
  
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  Don't forget TP/wipes (and a way to pack them out once used), good wool socks, dry bags / pack cover, food bag, water bottles, map, first aid, toiletries, lighter, duct tape, phone/camera, and other random items. Plus clothes of course - lots of layers!

Toaks for comparison - $55, 185g, 1100ml (with pan/lid)

Purchased from some farmers market that happens to stock Korean/Mexican housewares. Haven't cooked on the IMUSA yet but I'll report my findings.

edit: did very well with cooking, handle was hot to the touch but with a splash of water I could hold it again. Fire stains rinsed off reasonably well.

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overall I am very happy with this mug, it's big and light and just about hugs my MSR fuel canister with some wiggle room for aluminum wind cover, so it's just perfect to store.

> Will be used to cook pancakes, eggs, and other pan stuff.

The problem with pancakes and backpacking is that most backpacking stoves have a very narrow flame pattern. With a lightweight, large (8"+) frying pan, the outer edges just don't get/stay hot, so if you try to cook a large pancake, you end up burning the center while the edges are still uncooked. So make smaller pancakes, which you an cook in a smaller 6" pan (it's hard to flip pancakes in a pot).

Edited to add:
I've got an old MSR Alpine Cookset which has a frying pan... it works OK, but I generally don't bother frying anything while backpacking so it doesn't get much use.

There are cheap anodized aluminum cooksets I see on Amazon all the time... never tried it myself, but seems popular. There are similar ones that are cheaper if you search.

Then there's the good ol' aluminum mess kit. Used one of them every trip while in the Scouts decades ago.

Aluminum is light and cheap, conducts heat well, but food tends to stick. Ti is light and expensive, doesn't conduct heat well so you get hotspots, and food tends to stick. Steel is heavy but durable, some foods stick but not as bad as others. Anodized aluminum is light, durable, mostly non-stick, conducts heat pretty well, but not as cheap as plain aluminum.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B009B98FGW/ref=mp_s_a_1_3?qid=1465500857&sr=8-3&pi=SY200_QL40&keywords=titanium+pot+backpacking&dpPl=1&dpID=41U7k4-BtyL&ref=plSrch

Stove: BSR Ultralight stove

Spoon: Toaks Ti Long handle

Pot: Toaks Ti 750ml

Fire: Bic Mini

Seasoning: Tabasco in 30ml plastic dripper bottle

Water bottle: Smart Water 1L (x2)

Purification: Boil (winter) Sawyer Squeeze (other 3 seasons)

Meals: Mountain House, Packit Gourmet, SPAM singles, trail mix

I eat right out of the bag for the dehydrated meals

Camp Stove, great for stew

Collapsible, silicone

0.7L TI, Usable on a stove, $35 (flash companion is 1L, $50-60)

0.45L smaller TI mug at $20

Or any other light-ish mug... GSI enamelware mugs are like $4. If you want to heat/rehydrate in succession, I'd recommend getting something with a lid, optionally double-walled/insulated so you don't need a cozy. Keep in mind if you get a double-walled mug, you won't be able to heat stuff up in it in a pinch.

Edit: Alternatively, if you and your wife are willing to share a pot, sell your flash cup and get a pot. More fuel efficient, less stuff to carry.

I use Surefire EP3 Sonic Defender on the range and on planes. 24dB reduction with "blocking" of sound above 85dB (works best for sharp sounds). Very comfortable once you are able to find the right fit. Ear canal width will be determined by EP3 Sonic Defenders (narrow ear canal) or EP4 Sonic Defenders (standard ear canal); both modes also denote sizes but that is for earlobe cavity (concha bowl) dimensions (most people are medium). Test out your ear canal with cheap disposable earplugs unless you have been told by doctor that you have a narrow ear canal.

I was dead-set on a JetBoil MiniMo. Walked into REI with a more experienced buddy and we put this setup together...its smaller and lighter than a mini-mo and way more flexible for the future:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9BKJNYchiEo

parts list:
Snow Peak 700 - https://smile.amazon.com/Snow-Peak-Trek-Titanium-Cookset/dp/B000AR2N7Q

4oz fuel - https://smile.amazon.com/Jetboil-Jetpower-4-Season-Fuel-Blend/dp/B000NMAMOO

jetboil base - https://smile.amazon.com/Jetboil-Fuel-Can-Stabilizer-Size/dp/B00MUYUDC4

BRS stove - https://smile.amazon.com/BRS-3000T-Outdoor-Camping-Cooking-Ultra-light/dp/B072N82R83

bic mini lighter - https://smile.amazon.com/Lot-Mini-Ebony-Black-Lighters/dp/B00863W71I

MSR french press - https://smile.amazon.com/MSR-Windburner-Coffee-Press-Kit/dp/B00YOBML2Q

Vargo folding spork - https://smile.amazon.com/Vargo-T-217-Titanium-Folding-Spork/dp/B004R1LYEO

PackTowel UL face towel - https://smile.amazon.com/Packtowl-UltraLite-Face-Towel-Clay/dp/B017W4M7N4

dish soap - https://smile.amazon.com/Sea-Summit-Wilderness-Ounce-250ml/dp/B0029W1394

I suppose THESE in aluminum aren't terrible for the budget minded, You can find several different varieties for around 15-20 bucks. They include folding spork, bamboo spatula and other goodies.

The One Egg Wonder is popular with the UL community, just chop that handle off. Be mindful of the "one egg" deffinition as this pan is 4.75" around, i.e. SMALL but lightish.

If you want something that actually functions as a frying pan, I use THIS but it comes in heavier @ about 10.5 oz. I use it rarely but it actually works for frying where the THIN titanium/aluminum pans do NOT.

You must properly "season" the MSR pan, but it works beautifully.

I use this. I also have a the Toaks wood stove and 450ml cup. It all nests together really nicely like a Russian doll and fits in my 45L pack.

An aluminum or titanium pot would save 80-100g. This $35 titanium pot looks good. Using a lightweight plastic cup would save 50-60g.

Maybe try a DIY alcohol stove, which would save about 400g on a weekend trip. (On longer trips a canister stove has reasonably good weight efficiency.)

2kg is pretty heavy for a sleeping bag. Switching to a down quilt would save about 1500g. Enlightened Equipment is a great brand with really good prices.

Your pack is probably fine for now, but once you've upgraded your other gear and you have a better idea what capacity you need, you could probably save 800-1000g with a lighter pack.

Me and my friends hike in the ozarks once or twice a year. Actually we're going down there March 30th - April 2nd for my bachelor party, just doing an easy loop around the Council Bluff Lake. We're going to span it out over a few days to leave more time for drinking and shenanigans. But typically we try to do a new section each time we go out. What section are you doing? Bell Mountain is a good one if you're looking. Quite a bit of elevation change for a missouri trail, but some nice sights along the way. But then if you're only staying one night, you might not have time for a section that includes Bell Mountain. Maybe you should consider the Council Bluff Lake trail too. It's supposed to be a really easy section, 12.5 miles and relatively flat. Water access from the lake at all times (get a filter of some kind) and could be done in one day if you needed to. Camping only allowed more than 500 feet from shore FYI.

Okay, for your real question, gear.
-Get a water filter (I have the MSR Sweetwater Microfilter, it's awesome) that way you know you can get water if you need it and it will be clean

-it seems ridiculous, but I really recommend you get some trekking poles. They help immensely.
-Get some good waterproof boots. Splurge on some good hiking boots if you think you're going to keep hiking. Your feet will thank you. nothing more miserable than being 10+ miles from civilization with blistered and bloody feet.
-A headlamp. Seriously useful for when the sun goes down. Doesn't have to be fancy.
-What are you doing for food? For a one day trip, you probably won't need much, but consider picking up a cheap backpacking stove. I can vouch for this one and you'll need to buy a canister of iso/butane fuel. The fuel is best and way cheaper to buy in a store. Just check out Bass Pro or something.
-A lightweight pot like this one to cook in. It's perfect size and incredibly light. Don't forget utensils if you need them. And consider bringing some bags of tea. It's amazing how nice a hot cup of tea is in this scenario.
-Lightweight food, like Mountain House freezedried food is awesome for backpacking, but expensive.
-Take a lightweight pocket knife. Doesn't need to be fancy, just a basic cutting edge.
-Water bladders or nalgenes to pump your water into. I will usually use a 3L Platypus bladder for bulk storage and then a 1 or 2L camelbak with a drinking tube to drink while I'm walking. Depending on water availability, of course. If there is frequent water availability, I carry less. Water is HEAVY.
-Take some kind of rain gear if you think it might rain, along with a rain cover for your backpack. Being soaked in the cold is miserable. And not being able to get warmed up because your tent and sleeping bag are soaked can even be dangerous.
-Take a spare pair of dry clothes to wear at night at your campsite along with some flip flops or something. Believe me, you'll want to be able to take your boots off but still walk around the campsite.
-Bring gloves and a hat. Bring at least one pair of spare socks
-Bring a basic first aid kit
-some way to start a fire. I use those long bic lighters for bbqs. Also I cheat with those esbit firestarter cubes when it's wet
-Print off a copy of the the map for the trail you're following and laminate it

Things I discovered that all newbies buy but after the first trip realize they don't need:
-A saw
-An axe
-One of those red plastic mallets to drive in tent stakes
-A giant knife
-A Machete
-A camping chair
-Battery charger
-Solar powered everything (okay, a solar lamp or something might be okay if you want to carry the weight)
-A bunch of paracord


I don't know, I'm sure I missed some stuff, but I'm bored and excited about my upcoming trip and thought I'd ramble off a few things. Hope you have fun!

That Jetboil system -- which works beautifully -- combines a heat exchanger on the bottom of the pot, with an insulating neoprene sleeve. It's brilliant, and I wish someone made an equivalent one for Esbit tabs or alcohol stoves.

It's made me consider making a neoprene sleeve for the Olicamp XTS pot, or possibly for the Esbit CS985H-EX.

Not sure if you want the pot to have that volume or if the combo pot+lid can have, but I've liked this AMG set and its pretty cheap at $40USD

It is the oolong. I thought it was a nice pairing but honestly, I have pretty low standards.
I think I’ll do a YouTube video to show my process because I’ve seen several people asking the same question. But basically I used a small stove that is very cheap but has incredible reviews from amazon. I’ve used it for years. I boil the water either in a boil pot, also from amazon and linked below, or a kettle, also cheap and from amazon. Once everything is boiled I put it in a thermos. I usually boil about 1.5 to 2 liters to put in the thermos and brew with that. My thermos keeps it plenary hot for almost 6-8 back to back rounds of gongfu. The thermos I like is the half gallon ozark trail. It’s so cheap and the other size thermos’s from them suck but the half gallon keeps water hot or cold longer than the $90 yeti half gallon thermos. Ozark trails is 15 and I read it comes from the same factory as yeti but I have no solid source on that. The YouTube reviews are great though. It seems to be difficult to buy recently due to low stock but you can find it on amazon.

Etekcity Ultralight Portable Outdoor Backpacking Camping Stove with Piezo Ignition https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00B4FY8YO/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_boVKBbQV7ECNZ

Olicamp Hard Anodized XTS Pot (1-Litre) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B007OJKI2U/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_fpVKBb5SZQFED

Trangia 25 Aluminium Kettle (0.9-Liter) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B000BSDUQM/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_KqVKBb0EM1Q1X

Ozark Trail 64 Ounce Double Wall Stainless Steel Water Bottle https://www.amazon.com/dp/B071ZWPKLS/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_VvVKBbK5WDCNS

Ear plugs with a valve. Something like this will allow you to still hear the quiet parts, but the valve kicks in and blocks when it hits a certain DB. I dont have experience with this set in particular, I generally rock Surefire Sonic Defender EP3's if i'm at a concert (cause I already use them for shooting sports), but I'd imagine ones made specifically for concerts would be your best bet. They'd be much better than foam plugs you'd have to remove/reinsert as the volume changed throughout the film

I also have this. The pot it comes with is great, but I upgraded to the Optimus Terra which is better quality in my opinion, and the heat exchanger is a bit better!

> Would it be better to get a smaller pot and heat up water separately? Or a bigger pot and heat all of the water up at the same time?

A smaller pot has a better surface area (ie, heats up better) ratio:

• 1100ml pot = 4.5" x 4.375" = 94sqin of surface area & 70cuin of volume
  
  
• 600ml pot = 3.75" x 3.5" = 63sqin of surface area & 39cuin of volume
  
  
  Take what you will from that....there's a convenience and cost tied to each as well.
  
  It really just depends on your goals...I end up just bringing a 2nd cookset for these situations because I rarely have a hiking partner that wants to go as fast and far as I do...so that changes my UL goals a lot and I'll opt for convenience/comfort over weight.

Amazon

Huh. Pure Outdoor looks to use the same supplier as Olicamp:

http://www.monoprice.com/product?c_id=124&cp_id=12404&cs_id=1240404&p_id=15324&seq=1&format=2
vs
https://www.amazon.com/Olicamp-Hard-Anodized-XTS-1-Litre/dp/B007OJKI2U/

I have the olicamp, and it is a great pot.

https://www.amazon.com/Olicamp-329000-Vector-Stove/dp/B007S3MPL4/
vs
http://www.monoprice.com/product?c_id=124&cp_id=12404&cs_id=1240404&p_id=15631&seq=1&format=2

and
https://www.amazon.com/Olicamp-Kinetic-Ultra-Titanium-Stove/dp/B007OJKI0M/
vs
http://www.monoprice.com/product?c_id=124&cp_id=12404&cs_id=1240404&p_id=15632&seq=1&format=2


so.... get the pot on amazon and the stoves from monoprice.

I just tried rice over a dried chickpeas with a camping pan - the MSR Alpine "stowaway." Link. I took the lid off, but the handle still works great, and the 1.1 liter is sized perfectly for my 6qt instant pot. I put it on top of an inverted steamer basket.

Get some surefire plugs. They have a port for pressure equalization.

I grabbed one of the personal camp stoves that uses small fuel bottles when Bookmans closed their sporting good store. Something like this https://www.amazon.com/Carabiner-Bisgear-Backpacking-Non-stick-Dishcloth/dp/B01HPA43SC/ref=sr_1_sc_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1519657872&sr=8-2-spell&keywords=backpackign+camp+stove.

This means you can heat things and have an easier time starting fire. Dry/dead wood isn't always easily found and having one of these means less time prepping for food. I'd also bring matches and a lighter as 2X backups.

I've looked at some of the solar panels with LED lights. Those look really interesting and might be worth adding to my pack, though I have no experience with them.

https://www.amazon.com/TOAKS-POT-750-Titanium-750ml-Pot/dp/B009B98FGW

I googled for everyone:

> 750ml mug-shaped titanium pot

And this came up. Looks cool.

These are a little spendy but are actually purpose built. Honestly though, having gone down this road a number of times I would suggest sticking to an aluminum or titanium cook pot to boil your water in and use your favorite over the counter bottled water brand bottle of choice. I personally like Smart Water brand. They're stupid durable, available in a variety of shapes and sizes. When you're done with your camping trip just throw it away and get another one next time.

How old are you kids? Have they been camping before? Plenty of stuff to make them comfortable and happy. These Mystical Fire Packets are great and my kids (6 and 4) really look forward to using them. Good shoes, plenty of snacks and treats, maybe their own cookware. If your kids are older maybe you don't need to go this route. I just try to make trips as fun and exciting as I can for my youngsters to get them interested.

I'll go a little off kilter here. If I'm on a more fishing oriented trip, I'll pack ~2/3 of my normal food allotment. At worst this puts me in a caloric deficit, but not starving. At best, I may end up packing out some of my food. I absolutely only do this for shorter (<4 day trips). Let your dog bring his own food in his usual proportions, big diet changes are a no go on trail, which can already be stressful for them.

Cookware, I have a pot/lid setup (around 6" diameter), where I'll cook the instant grain in the pot and saute the fish in the lid afterwards, and one stove.

For cooking, I like to take some soy sauce powder and add mustard powder for a mix, japanese seven spice , couscous or rice, and some olive oil. The premise is I'll either have protein with my grain, or I won't. Start the rice while dressing the fish (Opinel 6). I'm a fan of bone in, skin on, but you'll have time to fillet or skin if you like. Once the rice is done, switch to the lid, add oil, bloom the seven spice, add the fish and cook, finish with water and soy+mustard powder (this emulsifies for a nice sauce). Pour the sauce over the rice, and finished. If you didn't have any luck, its still pretty damn tasty rice. If you're worried about calories, bringing some extra oil and nuts (pine or peanuts are my preference) can go a long way in making the meal more satiating, but adds weight. Obviously share with your pup so he'll love you more.

The right fly can be important, but I have yet to be let down by generic sekasa kebari (on western and tenkara setups). To the point that I don't even bother with flotant anymore, if it sinks I jig, if it floats I let it. At most I'll add a tungsten bead to a couple in case the fish are really deep.

I use a pocket rocket 2 (big fan, the Deluxe looks good too) with an Optimus Terra Weekend HE cookset. The Terra is still a two piece and non-stick like the Vango, but also has these Heat Exchange fins that supposedly reduce boil time by like 20%. I haven't tested that claim but I have cooked in it and I would recommend it to others.

But I would also second the recommendation to just get a single light pot, which gets way more use than the pan for me. i've got a [Toaks 650ml] (https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B00SMFNAZW/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o05_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1) that i like a lot for when i don't need to share food (which is why i usually bring the pan part of the Terra)

However, if both options here are more expensive wherever you are due to international shipping or whatever, the Vango set is probably fine. Nothing looks terribly off about it

Thank you so much for the detailed answer! The link is not working though. I am assuming you mean these ones? Edit: Saw it.

I didn't pay attention to the weight of the tent. I figured if I was gonna get one, might as well get a bigger one but you're right. I don't think I'll ever need a 2+ person tent, perhaps this one. Also, just checked my sleeping bag and it's rated for 40F which is no good. Think I'm going with this one. I dropped the lanterns and the torches as you suggested. A headlamp and my phone should be enough.

I didn't put in a stove just to be on the safe side since I'm going through an airport. I added this cooking set with one stove, and I'll just get the fuel from a nearby Walmart once I'm there. I'm lost when it comes to the sleeping pad. Suggestions?

It's expensive for what it is, because the odds and ends aren't worth anything. Heck, for not much more, you could get a Toaks Titanium 1100 pot with bail handle and the nesting titanium wood stove. You've already got water bottles and cups.

Cheap would be lixada stove and Zebra Pot and a Nalgene with a steel nesting cup from Walmart. If you want the alcohol backup, learn to make a cat-food can stove. You could assemble that whole setup for about $55 and it would still be lighter than Dangerous Dave's stuff.

SureFire EP3 Sonic Defenders filtered Earplugs, double flanged design, reusable, Clear, Medium https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0010HFAKC/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_EBe5Cb5AGF0V1

Those say EP3, but they are the EP2 design with only two major diameters on the canal plug.

I use this https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00GP1GSAO/ref=od_aui_detailpages00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

I've had these for a long time and love them. Cheap and won't fall out of your ear. If you open the little plugs you can carry on a conversation easily but any harmful noise is eliminated.

http://www.amazon.com/Surefire-Sonic-Defender-Protection-Medium/dp/B0010HFAKC/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1380740875&sr=8-1&keywords=Surefire+EP3

I have used an alcohol stove for about 6 years and I love it. I use mine with an MSR Titan Kettle but it is about $50. A cheap option would be to use a grease pot. Loads of people swear by them. You can buy one at Walmart too. The Toaks titanium pot is around $30. People also use this mug to cook water in and claim it will boil 2 cups. Here is another grease pot that people use.

You can make a windscreen for it out of lightweight aluminum flashing or heavy duty cooking foil.

GSI Outdoors makes a pretty handy kit. Expensive, though.

I have this Mallome set. So far pretty good, but only really big enough for 1-2 people. I picked it up after deciding to downsize my cook kit.

I almost never take cast iron with me, as I find it really heavy and bulky to bring along, even car camping, and it seems like a lot for 2 people.

Heh, it's been a bit but...

I ended up getting a SnowPeak Lite Max and Optimus Terra HE Cookset.

Sort of a make your own jetboil kit. Two reasons for this... First, I don't like being tied to one thing so the idea that the jetboil stove only works with the jetboil pots bothers me (and I've heard the pot support doesn't work nearly as well as their own heavy skillet). Having another pot I can use with my alcohol stove is great. Secondly, I wanted a pot/fry pan combo which the terra HE has. I'm one of those rare people that uses the tiny skillet lids to make pancakes or eggs (or, use it as a coffee mug).

I plan to check out how well the HE pot works with the alcohol stove, too, and see what a wind shield/heat reflector will do for it. I like the alcohol stove. I'm tempted to order Trail Designs alcohol stove too, my only gripe with the trangia is that it's heavy (the tradeoff being you could run over it with no damage, and it can be capped with unused fuel still inside).

https://www.amazon.com/TOAKS-Titanium-1100ml-Pot-Pan/dp/B009MZHRKU/ref=sr_1_14?ie=UTF8&qid=1526333523&sr=8-14&keywords=toaks

I use these:

GSI Outdoors Halulite Boiler Cooking Pot, 1.1-Liter https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00GP1GSAO/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_gGI0CbV08N5W5

BRS Outdoor Camping Gas Cooking Stove Portable Ultralight Burner 25g https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00NNMF70U/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_HFI0Cb57SJ66E

Total weight: 135g or 4.76oz; Total cost: $47

You can get stuff that weighs less but I’m cheap.

I think it is really good already but if you wanted to lose some oz for $$$:

• Could save 5 oz on new pad. Neo-Air Xlite but kinda stupid expensive.
  
  
• Could lose 4 oz on new pot. This is 3.9 oz
  
  
• Poop shovel seems heavy. 3 oz down to 0.6 oz with this.
  
  
• Could find a lighter rain jacket but again prob not worth $$$

Outdoor or hunting stores would have headphones for this purpose. You can still hear people next to you talking but loud noises are blocked out. They're made so you can hear your partner/footsteps/etc but protect your ears from gunshots.

https://www.amazon.com/SureFire-Defenders-filtered-Earplugs-reusable/dp/B004DH0YEI/ref=sr_1_17?ie=UTF8&qid=1540303808&sr=8-17&keywords=hunting%2Bearplugs&th=1&psc=1

Stuff that looks like this^^

I have one of these. It's very nice for the reasons you mention. I also have an Imusa 12cm and a Toaks 750ml pot. All are useful in different ways and for different applications. One is tall and skinny (Toaks 750), one is short and wide (Toaks 700), one is tall and wide (Imusa). My main criteria is being able to fit 2 cups of water, but right now am really liking the Imusa for its wideness (to better accommodate my Fancee Feest alcohol stove) and its tallness because I was able to make a nice aluminum flashing windscreen that I can fit inside the pot when I'm not using it.

One other thing I have discovered is the lid to the 700ml fits my lidless Imusa pot perfectly.

While you’re still unsure about actual needs (you seem to have lots of ideas), something like this gives you a pan and a pot and a stove and more... just don’t use on a fire. Bisgear 16 Pcs Camping Cookware Stove Carabiner Canister Stand Tripod Folding Spork Set Outdoor Camping Hiking Backpacking Non-Stick Cooking Picnic Knife Spoon https://www.amazon.com/dp/B074TYYRCK/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_KsKrDb4H4T92D

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B074TYYRCK/ref=cm_sw_r_sms_c_api_jNl1AbM2WAEGF

Pretty decent set for being so cheap. The stove works just as well as my MSR stove so far.

I started working on a kit and figure it would be good to brainstorm about it a bit. While it probably doesn't deserve it's own thread, I'd like some input about it if possible since I still have time to change things around before I order anything.

I plan on going hiking/camping anywhere from 1-3 days and potentially even more if possible.
The pack I'm currently looking into is the 5.11 Rush 72 which should fit the bill. It has a pouch for my hydration bladder (which is a must have since I live in an arid region and running water can be rare depending on where you are located) as well as the molle for additional customization if needed.

When I'm out camping I like to have the ability to fry food as well as grill it. I have a makeshift grill that I constructed out of four tent pegs and a grate so I have that covered. In regards to frying I found a cook set that seems like it would be useful for my needs. I doubt that I would bring the entire set with me (besides the frying pan and maybe the pot if I have dried meals) which should cut down on weight a little.

For my sleep system I'm looking at a Aqua Quest 10x7 ultralight tarp, paracord (for hanging the tarp plus other uses if needed), and an OutdoorsmanLab Ultralight Sleeping Pad. I'm not entirely sure that I need a tarp since it rarely rains here but I can see it having potential against sun/wind. Both the sleeping pad and tarp fold up to about the size of a bottle which will allow me to store more gear if needed. I already have a sleeping bag insert and mummy bag if need be but I don't see myself using them for 3/4ths of the year.

Lastly, I'm looking at getting a Mora Companion for bushcraft related activities.

In total all the gear weighs about five pounds which seems reasonable enough. Let me know what you guys think.

I use this mug for hot beverages and sometimes meals. I've used odd pieces of cloth as a hot pot holder,

I'm building a coozie out of reflectex for this mug, a larger pot i use when i have to simmer meals, and another one for "cook in bag" meals.

Civ here, gonna get an IR reflective flag patch like the one you have (I'm guessing). I thought you only get the reverse flag for the shoulder?

Also

Water, check
TQ, check
ammo, check,
pack, check.

• 1 change of clothes
  
• Provisions (high calorie good nutrient)
  
• large knife
  
• concealed back up pistol in case you are disarmed
  
• 1 bobby pin
  
• 2 handcuff keys - one in your bag and one on your person.
  
• pocket saw
  
• water filter
  
• a good pair of gloves (I've got camelback magnums, they're awesome)
  
• Compass
  
• Magnesium fire starter
  
• emergency blanket
  
• bug spray you'll thank me
  
• a couple contractor trash bags (this will help waterproof your shelter and it's amazing insulation.
  
• medkit (you said its on your list)
  
• sighting device (unless you have a scope on your rifle)
  
• flares/flaregun
  
• chemical lights
  
• flashlight
  
• bear mace
  
• compact cookset for boiling water, cooking/retaining nutrients.
  
• 100 ft paracord
  
• toilet paper or wet wipes (trust me)
  
• 1 bar antimicrobal/antibacterial soap
  
• toothbrush/paste
  
  and then depending on where you live, you may want some climbing equpment, like a descender or ascender and some rope.

i like this one a pan type can be easier for some cooking, even though a canteen cup or a kleen canteen & can are nice to like this the cup is deeper & stores easy. Just my 2 cents

If you’re looking for more durable reusable tips, I use these with my clarity aloft set:

SureFire EP3 Sonic Defenders Filtered Earplugs, Double flanged Design, Reusable, Black, Medium https://www.amazon.com/dp/B004DH0YEI/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_lGz7CbZE140XM

msr titan 25% off at amazon $45.95 free shipping

MalloMe has a mess kit which is available for around 25 bucks on Amazon. Its pretty decent.

https://www.amazon.com/MalloMe-Camping-Cookware-Folding-10-Piece/dp/B01743BX1A/

If you want the same exact design, here are two brands who make the same thing.

NuoYa001 or the Optimus Terra Weekend HE .95L Pot

You can't fake it. You don't have to. The more honestly you live, and the more you "turn on the lights" of the dark room, the simpler, not easier, it'll be. You'll see the path up the mountain, but climbing isn't any easier, if that makes sense. Find the path. Yours. I melted down at a social event recently, and my family, thankfully, understands.

If I had my earplugs, it would've been easier. The bar was so loud I couldn't think. It felt like I was floating, and I was terrified. In the future, I know I'll have to leave, because I can't fake it.

There's so much more joy to be had when you don't have to endure shit you genuinely don't like because other people like it.

Stress is caused by going against the way things are. Be honest, to yourself and everyone else. Good luck.

You'll pack cooking equipment, but i'm not sure how you plan on carrying a sheet steel pot and pan set, steel bowls, wooden utensils, and a cast iron pot stand, unless you have a pack horse somewhere accompanying you.

They make gas burners that screw directly on to a small gas can, and then that whole thing comes apart and fits in a small pot. Usually made out of titanium because when you're backpacking weight is everything.

I take my dutch oven and pot stand car camping... but if I were on "a week long hike", i'd be taking my small camp stove and pot, and eating dehydrated food.