I’ve seen a few posts with those gas bottles and I have it saved in my Amazon list, I think I’m going to have to get one and carry it.

www.amazon.com/dp/B0015I0GE6/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_tai_ED0rDbZB8QC5K

Hydroflask water bottle $20

https://smile.amazon.com/Hydro-Flask-Insulated-Stainless-Standard/dp/B01ACATE9K/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1480146454&sr=8-1&keywords=hydro+flask+water+bottle

O-light brass keychain flashlight - $20

https://smile.amazon.com/Olight-Keychain-Flashlight-Variable-output-I3S-Bare/dp/B01H1HC1NI/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1480146475&sr=8-1&keywords=olight+brass


Snowpeak titanium spork - $8

https://smile.amazon.com/Snow-Peak-SCT-004-Titanium-Spork/dp/B000AR2N76/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1480146497&sr=8-1&keywords=snow+peak+titanium+spork



Kershaw Chill pocket knife - $15

https://smile.amazon.com/Kershaw-3410-Chill-Pocket-Knife/dp/B002IVHQ5Q/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1480146513&sr=8-1&keywords=kershaw+chill

Leatherman Wingman - $30

https://www.amazon.com/Leatherman-Wingman-Multi-Tool-Stainless-Steel/dp/B005DI0XM4/ref=sr_1_1?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1480146546&sr=8-1&keywords=leatherman+wingman

Logitech G502 - $40

https://www.amazon.com/Logitech-Proteus-Tunable-Customizable-910-004074/dp/B00IRHE892


Fisher space pen - $11

https://www.amazon.com/Fisher-Non-Reflective-Military-Cap-O-Matic-M4B/dp/B001E103CY/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1480146580&sr=8-1&keywords=fisher+space+pen



Park Tool MT-1 bike tool (handy for many tasks) - $10


https://www.amazon.com/Park-Tool-MT-1-Rescue-Wrench/dp/B000OZ9WTQ/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1480146598&sr=8-1&keywords=park+tool+mt+1

This is the coolest bot I've ever seen...

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B003SXGN7K/ref=s9_simh_gw_p79_d7_i1

Yes and no. Denatured alcohol from the paint section is your best bet. Rubbing alcohol has too much water in it usually, unless you find some 99%. It will work, but not as well. A quart of denatured is $5. Rubbing alcohol is about twice that price.

Heet costs more and there's little difference. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOLoLx5lF6U

Here's the one I use. (fixed, thanks breadpad) You can put it out and it screws closed to save the fuel. In practice, this sounds better than it works. Just don't overfill, and burn it till it's dry. Comes with a simmer ring. I fooled around with the can ones. My friend's monster can stove is nice. Soda can stoves don't hold enough fuel.

Just get one of these for $35.
http://www.amazon.com/MSR-11792-Pocket-Rocket-Stove/dp/B000A8C5QE/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1345917655&sr=8-1&keywords=msr+pocket+rocket

Then order some 8oz fuel cans to your work. We fed 8 people off 2 cans for 8 days on our last camping trip. I'm guessing you could do 10-12 meals per can pretty easily.

http://www.austinkayak.com/products/5667/MSR-IsoPro-Fuel-8-oz.html was the cheapest i could find it online.

You could in the can cook any soup, stew or veggies in less than 10 minutes on this thing. I've even done steaks on it.

Amazon has one for $15. I’ve broken several of my husband’s mugs so I’m known for ordering them from Amazon before telling him.

Community Troy and Abed Mug https://www.amazon.com/dp/B003SXGN7K/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_a08dBbY3TGX1T

It’s a solid fuel camp stove. The metal part folds out and you sit a pot on top of it. The fuel blocks are burned one at a time but are stored inside of it when not in use.

Edit: similar to this

Titanium Pot - 28 oz savings ($35)

Drop The mug, just use your pot - 4 oz savings (free)

Trowel instead of shovel - 16 oz savings ($20)

Drop the solar panel (doesn't really work well on the move) - 10-ish savings (free)

Sawyer Squeeze instead of Katadyn - 8 oz savings ($30)

Dance Pants instead of packed pants - 14 oz saved ($18) although you probably dont need these since you're wearing zip off pants

I would add a puffy to your clothing, it will get pretty cold - 10 oz gained (can be found on sale for $40)

Leave the extra shirts at home - 12 oz saved (free)

Just bring one extra payer of underwear and socks - 6 oz saved (free)

Leave campshoes at home - 23 oz saved (free)

I really don't know what the survival kit contains, but it can probably be paired down or eliminated

Don't know what the carabiners are for if you're hanging stuff outside your pack you're bringing too much - 4 oz saved (free)

Don't know what the tarp is for the sierras, you already have a tent

125 oz saved or almost 8 pounds. Coming in at a cost around $150.

I would start here and then look at replacing your bigger items. The easiest one to save the most weight would be your pack.

Hope this helps!

What about this?

Not to mention aluminum beverage cans actually have an inner plastic/rubberized liner to keep the beverage from contacting aluminum which would impart a bad taste. This liner is dissolving in your fuel and you are cooking over it? Also don't make beer can chicken because of this reason, you don't want to heat a BPA liner. They are inert at low temps but add a solvent or high temp and its a different story.

I have one of these for a portable camping stove... really awesome. Packs down to almost nothing and only requires wood or you can carry alcohol to burn.

Even smaller is one like this. Just being able to hear water or make a soup is huge for cheap food. Thrift stores or garage sales have dirt cheap pots and kitchen utensils all the time. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0009PUR5E/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_1TGzDbWBRF80Q

They’re still listed on Amazon from a third party for about $15 (plus another $5.50 shipping in the US).

Nice post, thanks for sharing!

• I'm not a big fan of military style backpacks, but I don't know why everyone always brings up drawing attention. People prepare for a lot of things, like a car breaking down, not always a nefarious doomsday scenario. Also, if you're hurt and can't get to your bag it will be pretty obvious where to find your FAK or other emergency supplies. Either way I think function should be the first consideration when choosing a backpack that you could potentially need to wear for a very long time.
  
  
• Military style bags are heavy, durable, and come in drab colors that may increase camouflage in the woods and yet decrease it in the aforementioned urban havoc type situation. Overall I've never been convinced the extra weight is worth the usefulness with all the straps and what not, but hey I don't own one so that is really just an assumption.
  
  
• Super new lookin gear, yes indeed. I'd also be interested in a follow-up on what was used hiking/camping overnight and what wasn't.
  
  
• Since that stove is still in the wrapper, I would return it and buy something lighter like this: MSR PocketRocket Stove https://www.amazon.com/dp/B000A8C5QE/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_U.E6xbTXJPCBN - Used it many times and it works great for not much added weight. Others may say remove the stove but a warm beverage or meal can be a life saver physically and mentally.
  
  
• What's the benefit of external pouches when your bag isn't full? You are adding a lot of extra weight at the expense of needing to get to smaller items quickly.
  
  
• How much does everything weigh? Some UL folks can hike ("go") for months at a time with a 15lb base-weight.
  
  Anyway, cheers to a good start! Everyone who is away from home a lot (most of the working population) should have a bag in their car to help get home or sustain.

https://www.amazon.com/CMMG-Tactical-Cooked-Bacon-9-Ounce/dp/B003RC5FQ2

I am a r/VanDwellers and live from a van that has a fridge (cooler-shaped, 12v/24v/120v Dometic 65-quart fridge/freezer combo), a little Camco camp toilet, pressurized hot water tank for dishes and bathing,a Camp Chef dual-burner propane stove with oven that uses Coleman tanks or a white tank, and a modest ($1,300) solar setup...

I've lived completely off grid and mobile since August 20 17 until this past Winter because cold and snow!

With a double bed across the back with regular linens, storage for clothes and tools and cooking, power outlets, I have all the comforts of home.

Not counting the van, my complete setup was about $3,500.

The Prairie Schooner can be disassembled in a day and all the components can be applied to a cabin - as soon as I get some land (LOL!) for said cabin - leaving a regular cargo van for work or resale.

Tactical Bacon

http://smile.amazon.com/Community-Troy-and-Abed-Mug/dp/B003SXGN7K?sa-no-redirect=1

20 dollars for a new one

Just double checked, looks like there are still a few left on amazon.

Omg there is a tactical eating utensi!!. tactical spork

I like the Morakniv and firesteel ideas, and also:

• Wood/tablet/alcohol stove, $19
  
• AccuSharp knife sharpener, around $12
  
• Stainless steel cup that fits perfectly on bottom of Nalgene bottle (can be used for cooking), $9, an Equinox Bottle Bag, $11, a Survivor HK-106 knife w/ fire starter (clip point), $10, and a Nalgene bottle, $10 (pick 2-3 to stay under $30) are the start of a Nalgene bottle kit. That's not an ideal knife and may need sharpening but it is full-tang and I can confirm it fits inside a Nalgene bottle, which the Morakniv for example will not.
  
• The book Where There Is No Doctor, $25
  
• Perhaps a keyring for EDC featuring such things as a Streamlight Nano ($7), firesteel ($10), something like a [Kingston SE9 USB drive](https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00URLZTNU/ ($7), a universal handcuff key ($5), and a whistle ($8).
  
• A Leatherman Squirt PS4 (with pliers) for EDC, $30
  
• WaterBOB, $23
  
• Emergency hand-crank radio, $20+

I stopped drinking coffee on the trail in favor of a quicker start and less things to bring, but when I was making coffee in the morning I used one of these and liked it a lot: GSI Outdoors Ultralight Java Drip https://www.amazon.com/dp/B001LF3ICU/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_-XuPAbQ8YS64S

It’s cheap, clips to the top of the cup, arms fold in to make it pretty compact, and only weighs half an ounce.

Tactical bacon has found its purpose.

https://www.amazon.com/CMMG-Tactical-Cooked-Bacon-9-Ounce/dp/B003RC5FQ2

Oh gawd.

1. Find a way to create a flat floor - fold down the rear seats and shove some plywood in there if need be. Uneven surfaces are murder on your back.
   
2. Any enclosed space will start to smell funny due to humidity buildup. A car in motion circulates air constantly; a car at rest will fog up fast. Rolling down a window a bit (and maybe covering it with a bit of mesh) is advised.
   
3. Febreeze your car. You can't smell it. Everyone else can. (Emptying about half a bottle into your car, idling it with the heat cranked up until it gets stupid hot inside, then driving a mile with the windows open to purge it is recommended.
   
4. If you can, get a tiny under desk space heater (mine is about 200w) on a long extension cord. You can keep the car surprisingly warm without the windows fogging.
   
5. Once it hits freezing, all bets are off. Exposure is like the worst flu you've ever had.
   
6. Wal-mart is generally very hospitable to people living in their cars - and it's clearly marked if they're not. Califorina, Colorado, and Tucson are the major exceptions.
   
7. A cooler full of ice is a must-have. A good cooler can go quite a long time on a few bucks of ice.
   
8. An Iwatani butane burner and a frying pan will let you cook quite a lot at a rest stop - just put it on a picnic table; they're designed for indoor tabletop use. This one is great value.
   
9. If you make it to south-central Wisconsin, I'll buy you brunch.

Jetboils boil water better than almost anything. If you're eating freeze-dried mountain house meals or something, you can't really beat it. Otherwise, they're just like any other canister stove.

If you want something simple/light/cheap, you could get something like:

This BRS Stove and

This Ti pot or a bigger one for more people/larger meals

and a canister

And tactical sporks are a real thing

This is nice and I appreciate all the thought that went into it.

And yet, I find double-ended utensils annoying. If one end has good on it, it's awkward to use the other end.

I'd rather have this than this

Camping stoves are less than $10, and the fuel will last for a couple days worth of dinners. Fried eggs and Grilled cheese can help keep you warm!

Plus you can justify the cost by actually using the food you've already got. Plan B would be to buy the fuel and make a stove out of a used can, but that's more dangerous for most people.

A lot of people are going to suggest that you just build your own. It's pretty easy to do so out of a cat food tin or a soda/beer can. There's a ton of websites and YouTube videos with directions on how to do so, so a google search for instructions should easily yield results. Homemade alcohol stoves are also going to be lighter yet than any commercially produced models.

The only commercially produced brand of alcohol stove that I have any familiarity with is the Trangia Spirit Burner. They are pretty cheap (usually around $15) and while they are light, they are noticeably heavier than a soda can stove is. They are much more durable than most homemade models are, though.

The one thing that I like about the Trangia is that you can purchase it with a primer for it improves the stove's efficiency in cold weather. You could probably build one yourself to use with a homemade stove, too, though.

(Edited to add links.)

same mug but on amazon I've been using the mug for two years and love it.

My time to shine! I'm big into canoe camping. All the links I'm giving you are from Amazon Canada but you can get the same stuff on Amazon USA.

• Get a backpacker's stove. You can get a cheap one from Amazon like this or this.
  
  
• Get a cookpot off of Amazon too like a Toaks pot or Stanley pot.
  
  
• Get a water filter like the Katadyn BeFree.
  
  
• Get a spork.
  
  
• Get a frying pan that has a handle that can fold up. There are a ton of options for this on Amazon.
  
  
• Don't forget a spatula. You can get smaller, lighter options for this on Amazon.
  
  Now you're all set for anything you have to cook.
  
  Food suggestions:
  
  
• Frozen meat for the first night
  
• Frozen bacon for the first morning
  
• Eggs for the first morning
  
• Salami
  
• Bagged tuna
  
• Bagged salmon
  
• Fish (if caught)
  
• Babybel cheeses
  
• Nuts
  
• Seeds
  
• Beef jerky
  
• Low carb tortillas
  
• Avocado for the first day
  
• Mayo packets
  
• Dark chocolate
  
• Oatmeal packages
  
• Dehydrated fruit like peaches and strawberries
  
• Dehydrated veggies like peppers and onions and mushrooms
  
• Parmesan cheese
  
• Salt, pepper, seasonings
  
• Dehydrated meals from MEC or REI (you can get regular options and low carb options)
  
• Bagged quick cook rice
  
  I tend to not eat three meals a day when paddling. I have breakfast and dinner and maybe some snacks during the day.
  
  Be mindful that if you are paddling and hiking and portaging you're going to be burning huge amounts of calories. If you're just lazing about on a dinghy maybe not so much.

I got you - tactical spork.

Here's what I got, though I was going to consolidate it in another post this week.

So I posted this on Reddit last month after I finally got around to getting the gear we needed. There are many non-emergency items that go in the emergency kit. This guy's post really made an impact on my way of thinking. I see the car kit as not exclusively for EMERGENCIES but for all situations where you need something that you would normally have at home and you simply just don't have it, like a pair of socks or knife and fork. There are two parts to the car kit, the Emergency Car Kit (which goes in a pack in the back of the car) and the Supplemental Car Kit which goes in between the front seats which is for a specific emergency where there's an accident and you need to get out and help someone asap. Some of the stuff is duplicated, because I like redundancy and they're needed in both scenarios: asap (supplemental) and general purpose (main car kit).

Supplemental Car Kit:

• Road flares (electric and olden fire type kind)
  
• Small first aid kit
  
• High visibility reflector vest - for when you need to cross the highway and not get hit by other cars, especially at night.
  
• Car Jumper - This needs to be charged and ready to go.
  
• Hand crank flashlight - Not very bright, but it's for dire emergency where you don't need to worry about batteries.
  
• Inverter for AC power - I just happen to have one of these that I got a while back. I think it's more of a luxury item but can still be handy in a pinch. You can charge a laptop on it along with phones or whatever.
  
• Garbage bag - Not for emergencies, but for picking up garbage when you're in a place that has trash all over and humans suck. This makes picking up garbage easy, so there's no excuses.
  
• Gloves - For picking up garbage, doing car work, getting in fight (I'm serious) and pulling someone out of a broken window.
  
• Parachute cord - An impulse item. I always need the stuff when I don't have it.
  
• Knife - You can never have too many knives
  
• Tire pressure gauge
  
  Here are the additions to the Emergency Car Kit:
  
  Emergency Car Kit:
  
  
• Small back pack - My thinking is that this is better than a big plastic tub. In the event of a true emergency it's ideal to be able to grab & go, which you can't do with a tub.
  
• Windproof matches - Because.
  
• Knife & Fork Kit - You need utensils (for each person) in the event that you need to eat. There are many non-emergency items that go in the emergency kit.
  
• Steel tweezers - because the plastic ones in first aid kits suck ass.
  
• Extra AA & AAA batteries
  
• 2 Garbage bags

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0009PUR5E/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_WA1yCb1ZM4RDA

If you're looking for a simple cooking solution, that is what I do all of my cooking on when car dwelling. I scored an off brand one for less than $20 at Fred Meyer, so they're out there for cheaper than Amazon.

Although with a van, I would probably splurge for a 2 burner setup. I car dwell for weeks at a time, so space savings is a big deal for my setup.

https://www.amazon.com/MSR-Liquid-Fuel-Bottle-11-Ounce/dp/B0015I0GE6/ref=sr_1_22?keywords=msr%2Bfuel&qid=1569689581&s=gateway&sr=8-22&th=1

Check the MSR Pocket Rocket. It's $35 and it weighs 3 oz.
The fuel canister is about 8oz. It boils a liter of water in under 3.5 minutes rain or shine. Wind can be a little tricky. I have been using one for a couple years now with no complaints.


Most important function: Making morning coffee.

My wife and I started with a Trangia alcohol stove. It is great because you can store unused alcohol in the screw lid container, and it's very robust. The "simmer ring" isn't all that useful-except as a good way to snuff out your stove. The cons are it is heavier than other alcohol stoves.

Generally, alcohol stoves take longer to boil water than a canister stove. There is also the added risk of open fuel that is quite flammable. I've seen many a fireball happen from people with more than questionable alcohol stoves.

Ultimately we changed to a MicroRocket canister stove. The convenience of the canister stove just outweighed any additional weight (honestly, after a 1000 miles of hiking, the tiny difference in weight really doesn't matter). It cooked so much faster, was way quicker to set up, and we were not nearly as leery about cooking in our vestibule on some crappy days. At the end of long days all I want is to shovel as much food into my mouth as fast as possible.

Availability of canisters is abundant. Canister stoves are extremely popular on the trail and the outfitters know that. Practically all of the outfitters carry canisters. Finding denatured alcohol is quite easy as well. Either outfitters give it away, sell it by the ounce, or there is a local store to get a bottle of HEET (yellow bottle).

You will have to refuel more frequently with an alcohol stove. Probably on the order of once a week you will be looking for resupply. With a canister it's more like once a month (8oz.). We went ~500 miles on one canister, cooking 1 meal a day for 2 people. Others I know completed the entire trail in 4-5 canisters.

Some people have had canisters mail-dropped in, because they found cheap deals on the canisters. They are supposed to be packaged accordingly to USPS hazardous material standards, but I have seen people receive them in their regular mail drops. Do so at your own risk and all that.

In my opinion, I would recommend a canister stove. If I were to thru hike again I would take my canister stove, hands down.

https://battlemug.com/

I mean we have tactical bacon...

I have also heard great things about the $18 stove on Amazon from BRS

Or don't?

https://www.reddit.com/r/Ultralight/comments/58nlkz/what_gear_or_technique_did_you_buy_or_try_only_to/d91tmmf/

TL;DR: with a BRS-3000T, 25-gram, canister-top stove and a light-weight pot for boiling water, alcohol doesn't save you much weight on short trips, and on longer, un-resupplied trips, LPG wins.

See also: https://www.reddit.com/r/Ultralight/comments/5akas5/nifty_but_possibly_dangerous_refill_transfer_fuel/

EDIT - never have to check for "fire bans" with LPG either - the stoves have a shut-off valve and are typically exempt.

Here you go.

I found it for sell on Amazon for under 6 bucks so Im going to grab one. [Tactical Spork Amazon Link](http://www.Ka-Bar.com/ Tactical Spork (Spoon Fork Knife) Tool 9909 https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01FYJ6ICK/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_fIiPDbP87K6SN)

Ka-Bar Tactical Spork
https://www.amazon.com/Ka-Bar-Tactical-Spork-Spoon-9909/dp/B01FYJ6ICK

> I'm seriously considering getting a quality portable range so I can fry them outside

Yes, if your kitchen has shitty ventilation, a propane grill with a side burner, or a butane rechaud or something is great for searing stuff outside and not coating the entire inside of your kitchen with a fine layer of grease.

https://smile.amazon.com/Iwatani-Corporation-America-ZA-3HP-Portable/dp/B006H42TVG/?th=1&psc=1

I use this Toaks 750ml Ti pot. Weighs 3.8oz with stuff sack, and I use it to store and keep safe the rest of my cook kit plus some kitchen incidentals like coffee, tea bags, etc.

What about a [40oz Kleen Kanteen] (https://www.amazon.ca/Klean-Kanteen-Stainless-40-Ounce-Brushed/dp/B0093IS19C/) and a 750ml Toaks pot? $90 CAD plus tax for the two together.

*Edit: didn't catch the part about being made in Canada. Guessing both of these are from China...

I've used pocket rockets and alcohol stoves for a good while. Lately I've been using the BSR Ulralight stove http://www.amazon.com/BRS-Ultralight-Camping-Outdoor-Cooking/dp/B00NNMF70U. Really cheap and light if you go the canister stove route.
Any stove you use will need to kept steady and level. As long as the canister isn't rocking you shouldn't have an issue.

I rarely have a campfire while backcountry backpacking. (I also live in the PNW)
Like you said - there are often full-time or seasonal restrictions on fires. Other times it just isn't worth the effort to start one.

I do LOVE fires when car camping. Especially in official campsites where there is wood for sale and a metal fire pit.

----
I use a canister stove for cooking when backpacking. It's quick and easy. They are pretty cheap and light too.

My setup:

• https://www.msrgear.com/pocketrocket-2
  
• https://snowpeak.com/collections/cookware/products/trek-700-titanium
  
• https://www.optimusstoves.com/us/us/18-8016166-optimus-titanium-long-spoon
  
  Fuel canisters are $5 each and last multiple trips.
  
  ----
  Here is another setup for cheaper:
  
  
• https://www.amazon.com/BRS-Outdoor-Camping-Portable-Ultralight/dp/B00NNMF70U
  
• https://www.amazon.com/Camping-Equipment-Wuudi-Outdoor-Cookware/dp/B010X507KY
  
• https://www.amazon.com/GSI-Outdoors-Soup-Spoons-2pk/dp/B00BQL5R5U

In the '89 earthquake we were without power and water for a few days or more. Telephones didn't work (no cell phones back then). "Liquifaction" caused buildings in the Marina to slid off their foundations. The Bay Bridge was out of service for months. Then came the Northridge quake. Having an earthquake kit is being prepared. Here's some of what's in mine.

1. [First Aid Kit] (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B003H2EODW/).
   
   
2. Water. I've got four of [these] (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0053GVRWQ/) stored under my bed. Plus a couple of boxes of [these] (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00ANY4EXM/)
   
   
3. [Emergency food] (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00955DUHQ/), and a [three pack of S.O.S. rations] (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00MDY91HY/).
   
   
4. [Lantern] (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0018S4XIS/), flashlights and batteries.
   
   
5. [Portable propane stove] (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0009PUR5E/) and propane.
   
   
6. I have a [UPS backup battery] (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0083TXNMM/) that will charge cell phones etc.
   
   
7. Various camping gear and tools.
   

REI's Backpacking Tips for Beginners is a good place to start.

https://www.rei.com/learn/expert-advice/backpacking-beginners.html

You'll notice the first section is "Find an Experienced Partner". While this sub and others can give you a lot of advice, it's not a substitute for a partner who knows what they're doing. That doesn't mean you can't just go out and "wing it"... if you do, don't bite off more than you can chew. Better to take a few shorter overnights just to get used to things before heading out into the backcountry and having an epic. And I think you need a permits for Yos/Mammoth, so better look into that.

The REI list discusses shared gear and personal gear. Most likely an experienced partner is going to already own a tent, stove, cookware... but if it's just two of you with no gear, you'll have to pick up both shared and personal gear. How you want to split the cost is up to you.

The checklists are nice... but before you go out and buy everything on the list, make sure you will actually need them. Start with the basics; tent, bag, pad, pack, headlamp, FAK, maps & compass, stove, pot, utensils, shoes and clothing... and then go from there.

Here's the REI backpacking checklist:

https://www.rei.com/learn/expert-advice/backpacking-checklist.html

It's comprehensive, but remember you don't need everything on the list. It's pretty common for a beginner to go out and spend way too much money, and then start leaving stuff home as they find they don't need it on the trail.

REI is a great place to spend (a lot of) money. They've got very nice gear, and a great return policy if the gear doesn't work for you... but you'll pay full retail if you just walk in and buy the gear. With a membership, all full price items return 10% to you at the end of the year so it's not too bad, and they have seasonal 20% off coupons which do help. It's a good place to pick up a pack since they can help getting you one that fits, which goes a long way to a comfortable hike. Ditto with shoes, and you can try out mattress pads and see what's comfortable for you.

You can buy other things elsewhere like Amazon... but it's recommended that you go to a gear shop to try on packs (and buy it there to support the store).

Here are a few recommendations:

Pack - Gregory and Osprey are often recommended. For a beginner, 50L-60L is a good size. Don't get a 70L pack, you'll just end up bringing more gear than you need. Try the pack on, load it up with weights, and make sure it fits and carries well. Sometimes the REI packs will fit you better than others... if that's the case get the REI (and save a few bucks).

Tent - Huge range of products here. The Lynx is a decent starter tent for the cost. It'll probably last a few years, and by then hopefully you'll have more money and more experience and get something you like better.

Sleeping bag - If you can afford a down bag, that's great, they're lighter and pack smaller than synthetic bags. The Kelty Cosmic 20 is a good bag for the price.


Pad - Look at the basic inflatables (keep in mind the R-value if you're thinking of going later in the season) like the Thermarest ProLite. Some stick with foam pads like the Thermarest Z Lite pad to save money. Try them out and see what you like.

Stove - The MSR PocketRocket is ol' reliable. Lot of people have them, but the new MSR PocketRocket 2 is more compact and lighter. There are some cheap (< $15) stoves on Amazon, the Etekcity and BRS 3000T... people have been using them but they're small and more suited to people who are just boiling water for dehydrated meals rather than those who actually cook.

Cookset - Don't spend money on a 12 piece cookset...they're cool, but at some point you'll probably figure out you only need a shared pot and a mug for each person. And maybe a small fry pan. Depends on what you want to eat out there. Anodized aluminum is light and sturdy, but more expensive than other options. Titanium is super light, but doesn't disperse heat well so it's great for boiling water, but not so much for cooking non-liquid meals. Stainless steel is heavy but will last many years.

Spork - so many sporks out there... long handled spoons work better for getting food from the bottom of a packet.

Headlamp - Get a decent headlamp. Black Diamond Spot is a nice one, Petzl makes some nice ones as well.

Good luck!

The stove is a campchef that can be found here Camp Chef Camping Outdoor Oven with 2 Burner Camping Stove https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B0013LLSZG/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_lH80BbV4NPPG2
Works a treat :)
It's the short Wheelbase and the bed is lengthwise, I'm 6'3".
This setup is the max space efficient without sacrificing usability of the kitchen.

GSI Ultralite Java Drip

This is what I used during my AT thru-hike. Used it damn near everyday for five months straight. Makes good coffee, just requires a finer grind than other pour-overs.

Personally, I'd say pre-grind some of your favorite beans, and rough it for a few days till you get back home to the luxuries of Chemexes and electric kettles.

If you're determined to grind on the trail, I'd go for the Hario Slim Grinder. I've used it at home for the past year with great performance, but now it's a dedicated travel grinder since my Lido 2 came in.

https://www.amazon.com/CMMG-Tactical-Cooked-Bacon-9-Ounce/dp/B003RC5FQ2

I have a can sitting on my shelf right now. A buddy bought it for me a while back and I had it and it was actually pretty decent.

-I would start with finding a lighter tent first. If you don’t have the cash for new check craigslist or eBay.
-10 lbs of clothes also seems excessive (think layers and the only items I would ever consider varying more than one would be socks/underwear)
-Im not sure what your plans on food are but freeze dried/dehydrated meals and a lightweight stove would be my recommendation. One of these (https://www.amazon.com/MSR-11792-PocketRocket-Stove/dp/B000A8C5QE) and a lightweight pot to boil in would save you a lot weight.
-Your sleeping bag is also pretty heavy and depending on what the temperatures are you can find lightweight down bags that aren’t very expensive as long as the temperature won’t be under 30 degrees.
-You may want to consider a water filter if you’re backpacking in an area that has water readily available.

Here's the solid fuel: https://www.amazon.ca/Esbit-Ultralight-Folding-Pocket-Tablets/dp/B001HYIHGC/

Canister stove from Etekcity: https://www.amazon.ca/RioRand-Backpacking-Canister-Camping-Foldable/dp/B00FFWJIOM/

Alcohol stove: https://www.amazon.ca/Trangia-Spirit-Burner-with-Screwcap/dp/B000AR7970/

Melitta pour-over filter holder: https://www.amazon.ca/MELITTA-Plastic-Pour-Over-Coffee-Filters/dp/B00CHILTMG/

Gooseneck pot: https://www.amazon.ca/Blesiya-Stainless-Coffee-Kettle-Gooseneck/dp/B07R47CNFW/ (You need the gooseneck for a good pour-over coffee!)

I want to add a couple of these to my bike for longer trips soon;

https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B0015I0GE6/ref=ox_sc_sfl_title_8?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER

mounted with this;

https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B005HEJ24Y/ref=ox_sc_sfl_title_7?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=A4KBP2A3U6C7U

I'm fully clothed wearing a coat. Homeless challenge.

Backpack - $12.95
headlamp - $10.17
sleeping bag - $24.00
travel toothbrush + paste set - $4.90
Dr Bronner Soap - $4.99
baby wipes - $3.95
Good pocket knife - $12.99 metal spork - $2.16 pot - $8.96 stove + fuel - $10.99 $96.06 add on a bottle of water and bic lighter from a store and that's it.

You ought to look into a steel can cup. They’re made to slide on the bottom of a nalgene but they nest on the SOL bivvy you have perfectly and gives you the ability to boil water.

I travel with the GSI Outdoors Ultralight Java Drip and it's served me very very well! Looking at u/cdtya's answer though, I might switch to that setup.

I've been in Europe a while now and there is no shortage of places to find great coffee houses. I have no particular loyalties, and I don't think you'll have a hard time finding great coffee. However! While you'll find an abundance of great espressos and cappuccinos galore, I've found that filter coffee is quite rare. Depending on where you're traveling, you might not even find the right grind in grocery stores, so come prepared!

Here's one kit that is mostly complete that I built for my GF for Christmas. This is more of a "get home kit" since she works on the other side of the river, and post-CSZ the majority of bridges will be down.

https://www.amazon.com/registry/wishlist/3N30PO64I9BZM/

A couple tips with this list:

• You don't need the expensive batteries I included, you can use less expensive ones.
  
  
• 2x of the 4oz fuel cans and the burner will fit inside the Stanley Camp Kit once you dispose of those worthless cups.
  
  
• This kit doesn't include shelter.
  
  
• If you're thinking about this as a "get home kit", be sure to include good shoes.
  
  You can jam it all into the shoulder bag with the food going into the dump pouch. All of this stays in the back of her car.

https://www.amazon.com/Stanley-Adventure-Camp-Stainless-Steel/dp/B005188T90/ref=lp_3400591_1_3?s=outdoor-recreation&ie=UTF8&qid=1465503933&sr=1-3

For extended bugout, it's better to carry a nestable camp cooking set.

I got an old Primus one with 2 stackable quart sized pots and a frypan as a lid.

Means you can boil water in one, then cook food in the other while the water is cooling down. If I'm not frying with the lid, that gets uses as a plate.

When it's packed down, I keep various kitchen items inside (seasoning/condiments/penny stove etc) giving you an efficient use of space

I have a smaller BoB, so I recently got a Stanley camp cook set, without the plastic cups, and will get a titanium cup that will fit on the bottom (with all the various items inside)

Shit, I wish that was mentioned in the shoestring budget list. I would much rather buy nice than pay twice. The last thing I need is to be 3 days into a one week hike and have it fail. Because then what, I go home? Just miss out on the other 4 days because I wanted to save 20 bucks? Cold soak my food? (which would be especially gross if it's something like a SideKick) Carry a spare?

I assumed that this was the reddit standard of UL can stoves. Now it looks like this is super common, what's the other competitor?

EDIT: I did that 15 min boil test using this cup and 3 cups of water. No bends or warps I saw but holy fuck it does NOT handle wind at all. I mean it was a calm day, you could barely call it a breeze. Windscreen will definitely be necessary.

Do you have any stove? I like a simple and cheap butane stove. Work on stuff with one dish and often canned food. Watch out for the sodium.

I like bean tacos for in car cooking. Can of beans can of veggies (corn or mixed); peppers if you got them. Cost for people about $2. Unless your rig is just always parked make a habit of just cooking in parking lots of grocery stores or Walmart. Dollar store sometimes works but often they don't have bathrooms. You get easy access to everything, plus a bathroom. AND it is always a good idea NEVER to use the bathroom or cook where you sleep.

https://www.amazon.com/Iwatani-Corporation-America-ZA-3HP-Portable/dp/B006H42TVG/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1474584564&sr=8-1&keywords=stove+burner+butane

Why not a portable butane stove burner? Top it with a Korean BBQ rack for tabletop grilling excellence.

I haven't hiked the JMT so I can't comment on your clothing system but here are some general thoughts:

Ditch the headlamp for a sub 1oz USB rechargeable flashlight $30

Ditch the Leatherman for a Victorinox Swiss Army Classic $15

Ditch the paper maps and use Guthook's since you already have it. $Free

Ditch the Sea to Summit X-Cup and I wouldn't bother with the hot lips either $Free

Replace the trash compactor bag with a Fumigation bag $2.49

Ditch the compass $Free

Replace the stove with the BRS Stove $15

All this should save you about ~11 ounces for ~$63.

If you are worried about fitting in the superior 35 I would take a look at the MLD Prophet $195. This should be plenty of room and will save you an additional 18+ ounces.

This is an option if you want to shave some weight replacing the pocket rocket.

I've spent over 2 months with one had no complaints, and plan to take it on my thru starting next week (Ahh!). Just have to be more careful when you're cooking and watch out for winds/make a good windscreen for it. The biggest downside to them is you can't use them in a tent vestibule in the rain.

If you just want a light/cheap stove aren't set on alcohol, there's the BRS 3000, sub 1oz canister stove http://www.amazon.com/BRS-Ultralight-Camping-Outdoor-Cooking/dp/B00NNMF70U

This really depends on your gear. The biggest weight savers are firstly bringing less (such as getting rid of extra clothes, knives, tablets etc) but then getting a lighter tent, sleeping bag, and pack. If you're good on those or can't lose weight there, next up could definitely be the cookset. A cheap light titanium pot and a light stove can make a big difference. Far down the list is tent stakes, imho. If you have cheap heavy stakes, sure swap them out. But there are bigger fish to fry if you're a novice.

Apparently its sells well.

https://smile.amazon.com/Ka-Bar-Tactical-Spork-Spoon-9909/dp/B01FYJ6ICK/

If you're looking at outfitting a 72 hour kit first before building out into more standard preps, there are some low cost ways to get that done relatively quickly.

• Food: Go to Walmart. They have Mainstay 2400 bars for about $5 each. Each bar weighs about a pound, requires no water to prepare, lasts for up to 5 years, and is good in temperatures ranging from -40 degrees F to 300 degrees F. Throw each one in a gallon sized ziploc baggie as they are not individually wrapped. That's a day's worth of calories per bar, or two if you eat under your calorie requirements. Get three of them in the bag along with a few multivitamins and call food covered.
  
  
• Water: Pick up 2 flats of bottled water. That's like $3-$5 each. Drink from one of them, when that one empties, replace it and drink from the next oldest one. Your water will always be relatively new then, and a flat of water is more than you're going to carry on your back anyway. If you need to grab and go, you can do it easily. You'll also have excess water if you need to throw it in the car. Longer term, get yourself a Sawyer Water Filter. Stay away from Life Straws. The Sawyer allows you to refill bottles from contaminated sources and then filter them out into other bottles. This is critical for cooking and allowing movement away from water sources. The Life Straw does not do this. These are also available at Walmart for around $20.
  
  
• Self Defense: You have a Ka-Bar, so that's solid. Make sure you include a pocket knife of some sort, like the multitool that you mentioned or the swiss army knife (Multitool is the better add IMO), so that you're not hauling out a too-large-for-normal-life blade to do something trivial.
  
  
• Shelter: There are better options, but for staying cheap when getting started, grab some Mylar Blankets and maybe a Mylar Sleeping Bag. Both can be acquired inexpensively and give some options you might not have otherwise. The Mylar Blankets you should probably always keep around. Add some duct tape to the bag and they can make an easily constructable temporary shelter given a little resourcefulness.
  
  There. For less than $100, and maybe less than $50 depending on what you get or already have, your 72 hour kit will be at a base level, ready to get you out of the door. Of course first aid stuff is a smart call, and you can get as finely detailed and over packed as you like with a BOB, but as a base this will get you out and moving for a few days.
  
  As for what you already have... the Flint and Steel fire starter is alright I guess, but there's no reason to get needlessly complicated. Get a couple of $1 Bic's in there. If you actually have to use the bag you'll appreciate the simplicity. If you really want to help yourself out with getting a camp fire started, swab some cotton balls around in Vaseline and store them in an old pill bottle. They burn for 5 minutes on their own which is plenty of time to get a fire going and saves you from needing to put tinder together. You mention a small flashlight, but I'd recommend a good flashlight with two changes of batteries stored externally from the flashlight as well as a head lamp. Moving around in pure dark is no joke, so prep for that more seriously. I'm not sure what the chopsticks are for. If it's eating... something like this knife/spork combo will probably do better for you.
  
  For the rest of the wish list... the big questions are what are you preparing to run from, and where are you planning to run to? If you're bugging out, which should be the last possible option, then you're either fleeing something that is going to make staying at your present location unsafe or you're running away from a bad situation at home. I'd avoid planning on walking into the woods and planning on living there for a good while. If you had the skills to realistically do that well you wouldn't need advice from here. If you're fleeing home, it will almost guaranteed be toward another location where civilization is still present, so you'd want to be prepared for that. The hands down best prep you can toss in your bag at that point? Cash. The more of it you have stockpiled the more flexible you can be in reacting to situations. You'll also for sure want a spare phone charger in the backpack. If you know where you'll be heading in the event you have to run ahead of time then you can research the location a bit to find things like shelters, food banks, have a map/schedule of local public transportation, things like that.
  
  Not knowing the answers to those two big questions, the best general advice I can give you is this. Imagine the situation where you have to grab your pack and be out of the door in 5 minutes. Think through the journey toward your destination. Really get into the minute by minute, hour by hour. Imagine the pain points of that evacuation. Did it start out warm during the day but you're shivering at night? Did you get a random headache along the way? Maybe get a small cut or some bug bites? Are you hungry or thirsty? Is is raining? Are you bored? When you get where you're going are you just lost for next steps? Identify the pain points and plan to alleviate them with how you prepare.

This is one recommended by Eleanor Hoh whom I rather trust when it comes to cooking with a wok:

https://eleanorhoh.com/stove/

https://www.amazon.com/Iwatani-Corporation-America-ZA-3HP-Portable/dp/B006H42TVG

It goes up to 12000 BTU which is better than most camping stoves, which only go up to 8000 or so. The butane canisters may be hard to find but many Asian stores sell them, or you can find them around camping gear. It doesn't need to be that brand necessarily but you'll want something that has around 12000 BTU since you won't get nearly as good heat for stir frying on weaker stoves.

Your stove is fairly heavy, you can save 9 oz with a BRS3000 (.9 oz) and a light aluminum or Ti pot. This is the cheapest way to lighten up if you want to stay with a cannister. A DIY ethanol stove is cheaper and lighter still.

Do you need such a heavy battery?

Are you bringing a phone?

This is what I'm using now, but I don't use anything except the pot. I should have got something like this. It's more expensive but it's lighter and doesn't come with anything unnecessary. They both have stuff sacks.

> some general car camping/trail pots for cooking

I never use the same pots for car camping and backpacking. All I need for backpacking is one kettle that's shaped to be easy to pour out of. Low wide pots are harder to pour from without spilling. Something like this. For car camping I like larger enamelware pots like this.

OK, here is a brain dump of whatever comes into my mind. Just hoping to spark your memory so don't get mad if I say a bunch of stuff you already know...

Put all the pieces into a lighterpack.com account and checkout r/Ultralight before you buy (head over there and burn down the sidebar reading list and the incomplete-wiki, it's worth it).

Is that Osprey really 70 L? That's huge. Probably weighs a ton, what are you bringing that fills up 70 L on a 3-5 day summer trip? A 50 L beer keg? Maybe you have some sweet luxury items that take up a lot of space in the pack, but I'd drop the volume on the pack to at least 50 L. If you can manage it, Try a Ultimate Direction Fastpack 30. But if you just can't get your volume that small, get what works. Weight is an issue too, in frameless packs the straps are uncomfortable over 30 lbs, sometimes less. But if you make some smart choices right now, you shouldn't bust 30 lbs. (It's also smart to get the rest of the gear first to get an idea of how much volume you'll need in your pack and if you'll need a frame.)

Research quilt vs sleeping bag. Quilts are big these days unless you are a crazy sleeper. Enlightened Equipment is the shiz. I've bought 4 quilts and made 3 DIY and EE are the best I've tried. EE also sells a synthetic quilt called the prodigy which I use in the summers or as a layer in the winters. I hear that Katabatic quilts are truly the best if the price tag doesn't scare you away. And a super cheap, but quality option though on aliexpress, it's buy at your own risk. Worked for me last time, doesn't mean it will next time.

Massdrop is selling a skinny UL static V (and the insulated verion) right now for cheap. (I own the insulated option and bought it from massdrop.) But there's a lighter not-as-skinny pad called a Thermorest Neoair Xlite. Also the sea to shining sea ultralight pad gets high marks. So look at those, see what other pads are popping on r/ultralight, the balance the weight and costs to your preference. (Assuming you know about r-values and what your needs will be in Maine/Vermont. I'm guessing spring is a little cold so maybe r=~4 in the early spring or high altitude?)

Nemo tents are great. If you're only camping spring/summer I'd get a much lighter weight tarp tent. Like 3 lbs or less including stakes/cords (and footprint if your tent has a bathtub floor).

11-14 oz MSR Whisperlite is awesome. Stoves are pretty personal, it's best to go with one you trust. MSR is probably the right choice for you. I use a tiny 2oz stove and a homemade windscreen. My stove is finicky and too small if you're cooking for 2 or more. However, there's a whole mess of stoves between the 2oz and 14 oz which might still cover you and save you a few ounces or half a pound. Like the Kovea Spider which I also have, and use in the cold (gas liquefies and fuel can must be inverted, so I need a freestanding stove with a tube). I'm personally biased against the jetboil because of how much space it takes in my pack, but I own 2. They are fast, good for groups. Again the MSR is NOT a bad choice.

You also need a cook pot. Titanium is a waste of money, find a cheap Aluminum one for the same results. Like the olicamp ones, or if you want a real lid, you'll have to spend more (the metal lids cost way more for some odd reason).

Water filtration. Everybody ravs over the Sawyer Squeeze and I guess I'm out of the loop having never tried it. Fretting about making sure my filter doesn't freeze seems like a source of anxiety. I'll try it eventually though. I like the hand pump water filters. I rock an MSR hyperflow. And if I'm in a big group, I'll break out my Katadyn 6L Gravity Filter.

Get a down jacket from costco or sams for 20$, if you're camping in it, you'll wear it out so no use spending a ton there. (Down packs small and won't take up nearly any pack space)

Get a headlamp, I prefer blackdiamond or Fenix. For BD this image sums it up very nicely. For fenix there's a variety but I am currently using the HL55 (900 lumens). Again look at the weights, but also look at the battery requirements and the longevity/efficiency. Find what you like.

Ok my brain is dumped. Hopefully I hit on something worth your time. If I were you, I'd go as cheap as possible, then put the savings into funding your travel for hiking or buying a kayak. Random, I know, but having blown tons of money on gear I feel like there's quality for a good price if you look for it. And using the extra money to break into a new hobby opens the door to a potentially mind altering experience. Especially a related hobby like kayaking, fishing, snowshoeing, rock climbing, diving (though this one is lots of money), or whatever's clever.

Sounds like you probably don't NEED the Whisperlite as you're not really taking advantage of its features and carrying all the extra weight of a Whisperlite.


There are tons of cheap canister stoves on Amazon. Since your friends use a Jetboil, it sounds like you can buy canister fuel. I currently use this stove. https://www.amazon.com/BRS-Outdoor-Camping-Portable-Ultralight/dp/B00NNMF70U/ref=sr_1_1?s=sporting-goods&ie=UTF8&qid=1510073163&sr=1-1&keywords=bsr+stove&dpID=41J7KacqzpL&preST=_SX300_QL70_&dpSrc=srch I do find it is loud, but I bet it's much quieter than the Whisperlite which IIRC is very loud.


I've never understood the advantage to the Jetboil systems. IMO, they add a lot of extra weight to gain the fuel efficiency advantage of having a heat exchanger added into it. To me, they are simply not worth the extra expense and weight penalty.

The quality is all pretty similar. The real difference is in feature set and ability to control the flame-for example there's a world of difference in flame control between a Primus Omnilite and a MSR Whisperlite even though both are high quality products with a proven track record of reliability.

Some of the cheap canister stoves are also pretty good quality, since there just isn't too much engineering that's needed to make one. The BRS stove is a good example of such. These things are really just a screw on valve assembly and a burner, not much else is needed.

This is lighter then the micro rocket and much cheaper then both the pocket rocket and micro rocket.

http://www.amazon.com/BRS-Ultralight-Camping-Outdoor-Cooking/dp/B00NNMF70U

Others on the Ultralight subreddit have recommended this stove as well.

Here is what I think is the best stove for backpacking and it is $12.

https://www.amazon.com/BRS-Ultralight-Camping-Outdoor-Cooking/dp/B00NNMF70U


Add a fuel canister to that, a cheap pot, a mini bic lighter and a spoon and your kitchen is complete.


Rent the Big3 from REI (sleeping bag, tent, pack). Buy the Sawyer Mini water filter for $25 and use Smartwater bottles to store water. Take your existing clothes (no cotton) and use your existing shoes.

Sterno is a terrible fuel for backpacking. I'd use a canister fuel stove. A cheap option is the BRS 3000 - link here.

An alternative would be to build your own alcohol stove, which is easy but slightly more finicky. Follow the rough directions [here] (http://andrewskurka.com/2011/how-to-make-a-fancy-feast-alcohol-stove/)

The tent in this picture appears to be the kind that just has 3 flexible poles. This is an example. Really easy to set up. Camp in a campground. State parks are usually pretty nice. Your car will be right there. They often have pay phones and camp hosts if you run into problems. They usually sell firewood too. Make yourself some Fire Starters, this can be a fun activity by itself. Or buy some. Pack a cooler, something to cook on and something to cook in. Here is a good link to camping food. Check out this kid camping guide and maybe go over to r/camping. Have so much fun! Camping is amazing. I have been doing it my entire life, all of my kids and their spouses camp, so far my grandkids love it too. So many amazing memories to be had.

$500 for food and the camp stove and propane? Or $500 for a grill? Those numbers seem to be very off.

I have one of these: www.amazon.com/Coleman-Bottle-Top-Propane-Stove/dp/B0009PUR5E

and a crap ton of the 1 LB propane bottles and that was well under $100 for everything. You can get a 4 pack of those 1 LB propane bottles for like $8.00 at Walmart

Honestly, this is too open ended to give appropriate advice. What are you cooking? Predominantly boiled water food, or more varied cooking? How many people are you cooking for? What climate do you live in? Will you be boiling water to purify it? Will you be using the cookset while car camping or on longer treks into the backcountry? What's your price range?

The absolute cheapest is going to be a diy alcohol stove (there are tons of different methods) and a diy can pot. The whole setup would be negligible in price and ultralight for backpacking but doesn't do much more than boil water.

Moving up are canister stoves which range from $10 for a simple stove to $100+ for a Jetboil or similar system. I have an MSR Pocket Rocket and the temperature control makes these systems better for cooking more complicated backcountry meals beyond boiling water. The downside is the canisters are not reusable and it's hard to tell exactly how much fuel you have left. Predictably, the Jetboil is very fast and efficient at boiling water but not great at more complicated cooking.

Stepping up from the diy cooking pots are any cheap aluminum pots. These can be dedicated camping pots, or just any general discount pot.

Moving beyond canister stoves you can look at liquid gas stoves like the MSR Whisperlite. These stoves cost $100-150 and depending on the model can use white gas, gasoline, kerosene, and some also have adapters for canisters. The nearly unlimited fuel source make these stoves fantastic for prepping and the refillable liquid fuel bottle allows you to always know how much fuel you have. They are larger and heavier than canister stoves (though about equivalent to a Jetboil) and don't have great heat control. I use my MSR Whisperlite as my go-to stove just because it's easier to use than wasting my canister fuel.

A step up from basic backpacking pots are titanium pots. At this point all you're paying for is less weight than your cheaper options.

You can also look at large, traditional dual burner coleman stoves. These essentially give you a normal stove-top while camping and the propane canisters are relatively cheap. Of course, these are not suitable for anything but home use and car camping.

Another option for bushcraft, depending on your climate, is to just use a campfire. Some people only take a steel water bottle and use it to boil water in the campfire for their cooking needs. This is usually too much hassle for me after a long day of hiking but I occasionally use this method depending on the trip and weather.

When you look at cooking sets, stay away from nice little kits with pots and plates and silverware and cups. All you really need is a pot and a spoon or spork. Sometimes I bring a cup and or bowl, but I think it's best to keep things simple and lightweight.

There are other options out there but I hope this answered your question. If I was to blindly recommend one complete budget-minded set right now, it would be the MSR Pocket Rocket - $40, this pot and cup combo - $11, and this spork -$3, plus a $10 isobutane canister.

Get you a emberit fireant
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00P2XDTMQ/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_awdb_9L0TzbSYJECS7

And a trangia alcohol stove
https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B000AR7970/ref=mp_s_a_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1505184435&sr=8-3&pi=AC_SX236_SY340_QL65&keywords=trangia+alcohol+stove&dpPl=1&dpID=41d9tYSe2BL&ref=plSrch

I love this combo. The trangia stove fits right in the top of the fire ant.

When the weather is bad or if I'm in a hurry I'll use the trangia + fireant. I'll dig a hole in the ground and put th fire ant down in the hole as a wind screen if I'm using the fireant + trangia combo.

If it's not raining I'll use just the fireant. load it up with some wood shavings and other tinder and light it up!

You have an extra 0 on that link so it doesn't work. Here's the correct link:

http://www.amazon.com/Trangia-Spirit-Burner-with-Screwcap/dp/B000AR7970/

Edit: typo

Well that can be a long list... here goes though:

Water

Dehydrated food

Cooking utensils (I just bring a small pot/cup and a spork personally)

Stove

Sleeping bag

Tent (two pound, two person from Big 5)

550 paracord

2 tarps

Katadyn base camp filter

Sunshade for camping pad

Multi-tool

Compass

Map

Lighter & matches

Water purifying tablets

I'm sure I'm leaving a few things off, but those are several of the basics

MREs, or just use an ultralight stove. A soda can stove and small bottle of alcohol weighs almost nothing, or you can get a $10 canister stove and a 110g fuel canister and be well under a pound, and even lighter if you spend more on the stove. My whole cook kit I take for short trips weighs about a pound and cost under $20, including the stove, fuel, and the cup I boil in. 1/2 the weight and 1/5 the cost of a jetboil, but a bit slower and less efficient.

Your lightest option will be a gsi outdoor filter:

GSI Outdoors Ultralight Java Drip for Drip Coffee While Camping and Backpacking https://www.amazon.com/dp/B001LF3ICU/

And preground or use a hand grinder like a hario slim. Use whatever boiling water you have, or bring a snowpeak lite max.

You can also just brew cowboy coffee, with no filter, just pour hot water over grounds, let settle, enjoy.

https://www.amazon.com/Coleman-Bottle-Propane-Stove-Green/dp/B0009PUR5E

Look for camping gear. Camping stuff is compact and made to be moved around a lot. The #1 thing I'd recommend is a bottle top propane stove. All you need is one pot and you can boil water for noodles and rice and can cook soups and reheat liquidy things. If you also bring a skillet, you can cook even more stuff!

There's lots of camping/backpacking sites out there with meal ideas. The general theme is dry ingredients that just need to be thrown together and boiled. There are even pre-made freeze dried meals made specifically for backpacking, but they probably won't meet the cheap criteria.

I just want to throw out that I've been using Axiom panniers and racks for years and have yet to have a problem. They are a bit less expensive (especially the racks). But i do know that ortlieb have a great reputation so if you have the money to burn go for it. I wouldnt worry about anti-theft devices on the pro models. If you really want to be safe, take your bags with you or get a small cable lock and loop it through your bags when you lock up your bike.

As far as food, I hate carrying cooking supplies. So the only thing i bring on my trips are a small gas stove like the msr pocket rocket for boiling water. then i just pour it into freeze dried meal bags like these and eat it out of that. One large pouch can feed two people. during the day i eat granola bars, bananas, and other dry quick food.

be very mindful of how you pack things. i keep clothes and things i need to keep dry near the bottom of my panniers and things like tents and jackets near the top. stuff you'll want immediately when it starts raining need to be accessible without pulling out things you dont want to get wet.

EDIT: Get fenders. fenders will keep mud and water from getting all over your shit, your bike, and yourself. and clean your bike often. it will keep things moving reliably and efficiently. I'm from new england and we get quite a bit of shitty weather around here and deal with shitty roads. bike maintenance is key when you're stressing it all day long. lube your chain often. also, iodine pills. this will allow you to fill your water bottle wherever you find a stream.

Sounds to me like a normal Pyrex beaker would work just fine.

If you don't have a Bunsen burner available--not good practice to go heating chemicals on your stove--you can either get a small hot plate, or some kind of small gas burner, like a backpacker's stove (what I use).

I've had an MSR Pocket Rocket for about 5 years.

http://www.amazon.com/MSR-11792-PocketRocket-Stove/dp/B000A8C5QE

The fuel canisters cost about $5, last quite a while if used conservatively and are able to be found everywhere.

I use an alcohol stove. The one I have is made by these guys from those heavy aluminum beer bottles. It will not crush easily and comes with a windscreen. You could just make your own though.

There are other companies who make alcohol stoves and even sell them on Amazon.

Lots of people like Esbit stoves but the fuel is harder to come by.

For a canister stoves I think UL folks go with the MSR Pocket Rocket but I am not sure because I haven't used one in over 8 years.

Damnit... I just got back from Taco Bell and did not collect a single spork. I hang my head in shame (but only the one on the right).

edit: problem solved: https://www.amazon.com/Snow-Peak-SCT-004-Titanium-Spork/dp/B000AR2N76/

and it's only ten bucks!

Titanium Spork

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Snow-Peak-Spork-titanium-cutlery/dp/B000AR2N76/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1381148848&sr=8-1&keywords=titanium+spork+snow+peak

Add an alcohol stove, bottle of denatured alcohol, cook kit, and pot stand.

Ditch the water packets and get a Klean Kanteen bottle. Keep it filled with water, and add another non-crushable container for extra water.

Now you can make hot tea, hot chocolate, coffee, grits, oatmeal, etc.

Add a hooded blanket tarp thing, some paracord, and a surplus military wool blanket. Maybe some cheap trekking poles or bamboo garden poles. Now you have a poncho and shelter! Add a few "contractor grade" trash bags just in case.

Add a pair of wool socks and comfortable shoes.

Extra batteries for the flashlight.

Safety vest or some kind of reflective thing.

PS: those lifeboat rations taste awful

Water System:

-Sawyer Micro Squeeze w/ adaptor for back flushing
($45.40 on Amazon )

-2L Evernew Water Bag
($15.82 on Amazon )

-2 1L Smart Water Bottles ($5)

Cook Set:

-Toaks Titanium 900 ml pot
( $60.81 on Amazon )

-Light My Fire Spork
( $3.56 on Amazon )

Or, you could use a long handled spork to reach into dehydrated meal bags, e.g. Boundless Voyage, Toaks, Snow Peak, etc (More Expensive)

A cheap disposable option is a Dairy Queen large spoon if you don’t require a fork.

-Optional hot drink mug: GSI Infinity Backpackers Mug
( $11.09 on Amazon )

Stove:

Alcohol Options:

• DIY cat stove with integrated pot holder (go on YouTube)
  
  -Trangia or Titanium alcohol stove e.g. Vargo Triad
  
  -Make a DIY beer can or aluminum flashing windscreen (YouTube)
  
  [You need to make sure that the alcohol stove has a snuffer cap if a fire ban is in effect]
  
  [If you use an alcohol stove, you will need a leakproof fuel bottle- check MEC, Litesmith, or use an old fuel stabilizer bottle]
  
  [In Canada, good alcohol fuels are Methyl Hydrate and Captain Phab Marine Stove Fuel]
  
  Gas Stoves:
  
  I don’t use a gas stove, however, here are a few I have heard of that are more affordable.
  
  
• MSR Pocket Rocket 2
  ($59.95 on Amazon )
  
  
• BRS Titanium Burner
  ($20.93 on Amazon )
  
  

I have one of these mil surplus sets, the stand works perfectly as a windscreen & pot holder, I use it with a trangia burner and this snow peak cookset. I bought an extra silicon bowl and a few cups and can stuff 2 bowls and 4 cups in the cookset & it still fits in the nylon mesh bag it comes with.

For the trangia stove, it boils water quite fast with this setup, you can adjust the flame, and it has a screw on lid so you can save unused fuel, well worth the $15.

Our trailer has an oven. But even before that, we had a camping oven that ran off green propane cylinders. Camp Oven

https://www.amazon.com/Camp-Chef-Camping-Outdoor-Burner/dp/B0013LLSZG

You can buy it here, off Amazon:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B0013LLSZG?psc=1&ref=ppx_pop_mob_b_pd_title

I was looking for these specifically for RVs and the appropriate ones are over $1000!! I'm not spending that kind money for a stove so I got this camp stove which is exactly the same design as the professional ones.
I've added a safety valve so I close the gas evertime I'm not cooking.
Besides I will open the windows and emergency exit on the roof when I am.

Haven't used it yet just works like a charm from my quick test run.
See here for my IG story on it:
https://www.instagram.com/s/aGlnaGxpZ2h0OjE3OTk1Nzc3ODU1MDkxMzUx/?utm_source=ig_story_highlights_share&igshid=s8coijb8138r

MSR 30oz Fuel bottle, $17 on amazon
https://www.amazon.com/MSR-11832-Fuel-Bottle-30oz/dp/B0015I0GE6

Zip tie it to your bike if you're not the kind to ride with saddlebags/backpack to put it in

I've used it multiple times for myself and others, a quarter gallon is enough to get you to the nearest station unless you REALLY fucked up, even if you only get 30 mpg it's still >7 miles of fuel, double that for a 250 or so.

I bought this low brow custom mini gas can holder that has two Velcro straps to mount it on the forks or part of the frame of a bike. I am only using one in the middle and looped it through the helmet hook thing and tightened the Velcro around it. Be warned though, the Velcro has rubbed off part of the paint on the fairing it rests on due to friction of it moving when the bike is moving. So I put two clear rubber stubs that prevent contact of the Velcro with the fairing which seems to help but the paint in that area is already messed up now. Lol and I get around 5-10 extra miles, which is usually more than enough to get my to the next closest gas station, at least where I live.
Here’s a link to the mount:

https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F322247080364

And the fuel bottle, I bought the 30oz

MSR Liquid Fuel Bottle, 30-Ounce https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0015I0GE6/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_a.S.BbYM4PC30

Sorry if formatting is weird, I’m on mobile.

Yeah, that was a bit cunty, my bad.

If you're going to do it (wouldn't recommend it), but at least look into a better container. These are for a different kind of fuel, but it's aluminum and apparently a lot of people use them for gas.

http://www.amazon.com/MSR-11832-Fuel-Bottle-30oz/dp/B0015I0GE6/ref=sr_1_cc_1?s=aps&ie=UTF8&qid=1421017999&sr=1-1-catcorr&keywords=MSR

I wanted to have a stove do double-duty. Especially when it came to fuel. I have the MSR Whisperlight International stove. I carry 2 fuel canisters (30oz ea). I had one back when I was backpacking and it never let me down, but sold it when I left Colorado for the midwest where camping just didnt hold up to the Rockies.

It will use Unleaded fuel. As will the bike. So, in case I get stuck somewhere with an empty bike, I can use the stove fuel to get me another 40+ miles to a gas station where I can refuel everything.I have never had any issue with the stove heating water or making soup or rice or anything else, and the burn rate on the gasoline is fairly good, I didnt even use half a tank all year last year camping.


MSR Whisperlight International Stove

MSR Fuel Canisters

No matter what, it will come down to preference. Jet Boil works great, but it is quite a bit larger and you have to have special fuel canisters and all. The MSR is just what I happen to like the best and suits my needs.

Amazon sells a few different fuel bottles:

• MSR
  
• Trangia
  
  There are more options, as well.

Wow. Yea I can see that.

Someone should write a book; a street survival nutrition guide. It's not easy to buy the kind of food that works best in those situations from regular grocery stores.

Edit: we've been fly fishing out in the middle of nowhere for so long I can cook a surprising amount of stuff on this little stove the size of a pack of cigarettes, called an Esbit stove. Once you have the little stove, moreover, which costs about $10, the solid fuel pellets are really cheap. I could write an Esbit stove healthy field cooking cookbook.

Pot $12 https://www.amazon.com/dp/B004Z10XTI/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_awdb_ZcYNyb0J85PK0

Folding stove and fuel $10 https://www.amazon.com/dp/B001C1UGVO/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_awdb_phYNybV3AVZ1B

Not throwing money at a deceptive half assed kickstarter $ !=

Edit: and look a huge kit on sale https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01GG5FXHW/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_awdb_zkYNybKKJMJZR

Pretty sure this is a portable camp stove. You would maybe soak that pad in alcohol and set a pot on top. Something similar to this: https://www.amazon.com/Esbit-Ultralight-Folding-Pocket-Tablets/dp/B001C1UGVO/ref=sr_1_14?ie=UTF8&qid=1539965937&sr=8-14&keywords=camp+stove+folding

I just recently went on my first backpacking trip. It was just an overnight trip, but I used this: http://www.amazon.com/Esbit-Ultralight-Folding-Pocket-Tablets/dp/B001C1UGVO

It was the cheapest (10 dollars including enough fuel for a day or two), smallest stove I could find, it was rated well and I got free shipping. After using it, I was very happy with it. I used it to boil water for coffee, and I cooked hotdogs and chili with it as well.

I was literally just using it on the ground (and I only brought a small lantern and some glow-sticks with me for light. I was able to cook on it in the dark nonetheless. Super easy and effective.

If I decide to go on longer trips, I might get something bigger, but then again I might not. It's pretty awesome.

The only downside is that the fuel has a bad odor, and you have to wash your hands (or wear gloves) when handling it. Simple problem to fix though. Just don't sit downwind of it and keep your food covered if possible.

Over the past year I've been piecing together camping gear. I ultimately plan on doing backpacking trips once I become a more experienced camper, and graduate college. Growing up, I went camping frequently but never really did any backpacking or primitive camping where you have to hike to the campsite - my dad always took us to the campsites you can drive up to. My friend, who boasts about the camping etiquette and survival skills he learned in boy scouts, justly criticizes my experience camping - which is limited to campsites that don't require you to pack light and have easy access to water (and restrooms). For example, I've never had the opportunity of digging a hole to shit in. Do I just dig a hole with my hands? Do I need to bring a shovel? How much toilet paper do I need to bring for a 2-3 day trip? I know I have to bring the used paper with me, so how do you recommend carrying trash in general?

Things like this I figure I'd learn overtime. And I do plan on pacing myself; I'm going to work my way up from 1-2 day trips to 2-3 day trips to 4-5 day trips, and ultimately something like the Appalachian Trail. My favorite place to go camping is Big Bend National Park, and there's a 2-3 day trip I'd like to do sometime this year.

I guess my main questions are:

1. How would you recommend starting off? Would a couple of 2-3 day backpacking trips, with my friend, be a good place to start?
   
2. Is my gear sufficient? Is there anything I'm missing?
   
3. Any general tips, book or gear suggestions.
   
   Here's a list of my gear:
   
   

• REI Passage 2 Tent
  
• Osprey Volt 75 Backpack w/ bladder
  
• Marmot Trestles 30 Sleeping Bag and a sleeping pad
  
• Hammock (which I think, if i'm using a tent, would make for a great pillow when it's folded up)
  
• Mess Kit and utensils
  
• Fuel Tablet Camping Stove
  
• Rechargeable flashlight
  
• A small, rechargeable lantern
  
• 2 multi-tool pliers - one big, one small
  
• 2 knifes
  
• First aid kit
  
  Also, I plan on getting a pair of hiking boots this summer. Any suggestions?
  
  edit: grammar

Just as important, or more, than backpack, tent, bag, & pad are your boots & socks. Your carrying yourself and all that weight in them!

Get good hiking socks from your local Outdoors shop. At least two pair of thick and two pair of thin. They should be "wicking" socks that take the moisture away from your feet. Wear the thin set inside the thick set. Put on the dry pair of thin socks at night to keep you warm. Never go to sleep in your bag with wet clothes, whether from falling into the stream or just sweating during the day, especially wet socks, if you can help it. (That's why you should always bring a set of extra clothes). But you may also want to bring a pair of socks just for sleeping.

When you shop for boots, get a good brand (e.g. Merrell or better) and don't skimp on price. These will last for years. Buy cheap and you'll be getting a new pair in just a couple of years. Shop at the end of the day when your feet are swollen and put on your two pair of hiking socks. Try several pair. Walk around the store a few times to really get a good feel for how those boots fit your feet. You don't want your toes to touch the front of the boot. EVER. unless you like yanking toe nails off your big toe. So walk fast or even run and then stop fast and try to jam those toes forward. If they touch, go up in size or find a boot with a bigger toe box. Your heel shouldn't slide forward when you're doing this.

For the stove, get one of these [cheap guys from China] (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Ultralight-Outdoor-Backpacking-Canister-Foldable-Mini-Camping-Stove-Gas-Burner-/252013224278?hash=item3aad28a156:g:kygAAOxyIv5TkRfF). Heck, get two in case you lose one! They work jsut as well as the name brands, have a little piezo lighter so you don't need to light it with a lighter or match, and they are SO much cheaper!

For a cook kit, you can start with the [Stanley Adventure Camp Cook Set] (http://www.amazon.com/Stanley-Adventure-Camp-Stainless-Steel/dp/B005188T90/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1458828657&sr=8-1&keywords=stanley+adventure+cook+kit). I bought mine at Walmart for $15. Get this - take out one of the plastic mugs and you can fit both the little stove AND small fuel canister into it! And the [standard GSI mug] (http://www.amazon.com/GSI-Outdoors-Glacier-Stainless-Bottle/dp/B001LF3IB6/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1458828752&sr=8-2&keywords=gsi+mug) fits right over the bottom of it, AND the lid to the Stanley set is a perfect fit onto the GSI mug. I bought a knockoff at Walmart for $5.00.

As for the sleeping bag, some will recommend down because it's lighter for the same warmth rating compared to synthetic and compress for packing better than synthetic, but I will recommend synthetic because it's cheaper and down is useless if it gets wet. I have a 3lb synthetic bag that is rated at 15 deg. I sleep in a hammock and a like the synthetic bags better because they are thicker so wind doesn't rip right through them as it does for really light bags.

The "waffled" Closed Cell Foam (CCF) pad at Walmart, while not the most comfortable, will get you started. It's cheap and light and will do well enough. You can also pile leaves under the tent for extra padding.

Don't forget a groundcloth/footprint that goes under the tent! It acts as a moisture barrier and prevents damage to the bottom of the tent. The woven polyethylene (typically blue) are really heavy, so I'd recommend a thick sheet of plastic instead. It should fit completely under the tent so it doesn't catch rain and funnel it under the floor of the tent.

If you have a Big 5 near you, that's a great place to get some good gear for cheap. REI & Cabella's get kind of expensive.

I personally use this from gsi, its quite light and find that it works well.

I use this ultralight drip filter from GSI. It sits on your coffee cup. But the filter by itself isn't enough. You need something that holds the grounds with the water longer.

For that, I use chemex filters for the chemex pour over device.

If you've ever had a real pour over cup of coffee, you know how full bodied the flavor can be, without the acidity and bitterness.

So I use this ultralight mesh pour over filter from gsi, put a chemex filter on top of it. I pre-grind my beans and put them in a nalgene jar. This keeps the grounds quite fresh for a few days. I then dump some grounds into the filter and pour boiling water over it.

Incredible full bodied flavor, no acidity, and on the trail. The only thing extra you carry is the filters, which can be re-used, and the coffee grounds. It's not complicated, not heavy, and you get gourmet coffee. I'm surprised I've never heard anyone here doing the same.

Using this ultralight filter:
https://www.amazon.com/GSI-Outdoors-Ultralight-Java-Drip/dp/B001LF3ICU/ref=mp_s_a_1_3?dchild=1&keywords=ultralight+coffee+filter&qid=1570502622&sprefix=ultralight+coffee+fil&sr=8-3

Lifelong coffee user here. Instant just tastes so terrible compared to what I normally make, it's worth a few ounces for me (.4 for filter + <1oz per day). This filter is the lightest real coffee setup I've encountered. It's also sturdy for the weight, folds up nice, and washes easily.

Looks VERY similar, no? That one costs half as much as yours.

Also, this one weighs 11.5 grams and costs 1/4 as much as yours.

My set-up may be more ultralight than you want, but my entire cook kit including stove and fuel for 3 days is only 8oz.

I use this Esbit stove: http://www.amazon.com/Esbit-Stove-ti-Titanium-Stove/dp/B002AQET2C/

The biggest downside is that Esbit tabs are about 50 cents each so that'll add up over 5 months. Jetboils and pocket rockets are great too. Or you could consider a DIY alcohol stove with a Caldera Cone. Alcohol stoves are really cheap for fuel and you can get it at most grocery stores and corner markets.

Tactical bacon!

You know this is a real product, right?

TacBac, Tactical Bacon.

Tactical bacon

http://www.amazon.com/Community-Troy-and-Abed-Mug/dp/B003SXGN7K/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1346392348&sr=8-1&keywords=troy+and+abed+in+the+morning+mug

It just so happened that a lot of Eureka stuff was on sale at the time I was shopping, so I look like something of a fanboy.

• [Eureka Apex 3XT Tent] (http://www.amazon.com/Eureka-Apex-3XT-Tent-sleeps/dp/B0043HM5RC) - It's a three man tent, but I'm a big guy and I wanted extra room. Camping off the bike makes the slightly heavier weight from a 3 man tent not a big deal, it compresses down pretty small anyway. Gives me plenty of room to bring all my gear inside the tent at night, and if the wife decides to go camp with me there will be room for us both without any problem.
  
  
• [Eureka Sandstone 45F Rectangular Sleeping Bag] (http://www.amazon.com/Eureka-Sandstone-45-Degree-Rectangular-Sleeping/dp/B006MQAWS6) - Synthetic bag, one for me and one for my wife. Nothing really fancy about it other than that they are mate-able to each other we want to get extra snuggle-y on a trip.
  
  
• [Eureka Camp Pillow] (http://www.amazon.com/Eureka-2641201-Camp-Pillow/dp/B004BZX7PK) - Some people say use a stuff sack with your dirty clothes, I say I don't want to smell funky multiple day old swamp ass while I'm trying to sleep. I guess I could use clean clothes, but meh..
  
  
• [Exped SynMat Basic 7] (http://www.amazon.com/Exped-SynMat-Sleeping-Terracotta-Long/dp/B0018MC976) - Air mattress. My theory is that if you don't get at least some restful sleep, you will be miserable the next day. Packs down very small, provides comfort and insulation from the ground.
  
  
• [Sea to Summit eVent 30L Compression Dry Sack] (http://www.amazon.com/Sea-Summit-eVent-Compression-Medium/dp/B000NQQ5A0) - I have multiples of this item. I pack the tent, rainfly and groundcover all in one, and it all compresses down to around 12x6 inches. Sleeping bag goes into another, compresses down to about 12x12 inches.
  
  
• [Kwik Tek Dry Pak 70L Waterproof Duffel Bag] (http://www.amazon.com/DP-D1BK-Waterproof-Duffel-Black-Large/dp/B00644OLLU) - Cooking gear, sleeping equipment, and other stuff I don't put in the panniers goes in here, and then the bag is strapped across the pillion seat with RocStraps. If it's a two up trip, the 52L Givi comes off the back of the bike, and the 70L Dry Pak is replaced by a 110L Dry Pak so there is enough room to stash the wife's gear as well.
  
  
• [Sea to Summit DryLite Towel] (http://www.amazon.com/Sea-to-Summit-DryLite-Towel/dp/B000OPPAQK) - Small and Extra Small. Great for drying off after getting caught in the rain, or after a shower at the campsite. They dry fast too.
  
  
• [Jetboil Zip] (http://www.amazon.com/Jetboil-Zip-Cooking-System-Black/dp/B004UVPDUM) cooking system - Boils 16oz of water in about 2.5 minutes. My breakfast is instant oatmeal and instant coffee/hot chocolate, so this takes care of both very quickly. The Jetboil also makes it super easy to make things like instant mashed potatoes for dinner.
  
  
• [Trangia 27-5] (http://www.trangia.se/english/2913.trangia_stoves.html) Ultralight Aluminium Cookset with add on 2.5L pot - Alcohol stove set with frying pan, two 1L pots and one 2.5 pot. For dinner I can cook up a steak, some soup or stew, pasta/rice sides (think of stuff like [this] (http://www.bearcreekcountrykitchens.com/index.php) and [this] (http://www.knorr.com/product/category/245876/pasta-sides). I don't worry about packing and carrying an entire trip's worth of food, I stop at a grocery store, and get a couple days worth of stuff. If I want fresh meat, I swing by a store immediately before hitting the campsite. Arrive, set up, cook.
  
  
• 12oz plastic cups - I carry a couple of [these] (http://www.campmor.com/outdoor/gear/Product___60048).
  
  
• Spork - Fork, spoon, and something resembling a knife [all in one] (http://www.campmor.com/outdoor/gear/Product___87620)
  
  
• Leatherman Blast - bring a multitool, you will be glad you did.
  
  
• A headlamp and a good flashlight are critical. I like [these small Black Diamond orbit lanterns] (http://www.rei.com/product/807910/black-diamond-orbit-lantern) too.
  

Jet Boil Zip is $39.99 plus shipping on amazon! Just got one for myself, it came out to ~$45 total which is way better than the $70 I was gonna to pay for it. :)

Stanley Adventure Camp Cook Set 24oz Stainless Steel https://www.amazon.com/dp/B005188T90/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_gmXsDbDGKCPZV

This one has been great for me! Also comes with two cups.

All of the items below are very inexpensive but not necessarily cheaply made. You can get lighter, but you’ll pay a lot more.

This tent:
Featherstone Outdoor UL Granite... https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0727Y4XLT?ref=ppx_pop_mob_ap_share

This stove:
Hamans BRS BRS-3000T Ultralight... https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07H77FV4C?ref=ppx_pop_mob_ap_share

This cookset:
Stanley Adventure Camp Cook Set 24oz Stainless Steel https://www.amazon.com/dp/B005188T90/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_ybHgDb62GJ9VQ

I M a big fan of fancee feast alcohol stoves and have been using them for years. I've made mine for around 10 to 12 dollars. There is a small learning curve to them, but they are very lightweight, silent, and you can find the fuel in just about any gas station. Shug does a pretty good job showing them in this video https://youtu.be/dKAFAsPfC4s

I used to use your standard msr jet type of stove and they work great. Just really loud and the fuel is kinda bulky/costly.

For a pot, I use this stanley cookset Stanley Adventure Camp Cook Set 24oz Stainless Steel https://www.amazon.com/dp/B005188T90/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_GcsnDbZ7P54M3

Or a small grease pot from Walmart. https://www.walmart.com/ip/Mainstays-Aluminum-1-5-Quart-Silver-Grease-Dispenser/32263277?wmlspartner=wlpa&selectedSellerId=0&wl13=1999&adid=22222222228021183567&wl0=&wl1=g&wl2=m&wl3=40345415312&wl4=pla-78310592552&wl5=9019700&wl6=&wl7=&wl8=&wl9=pla&wl10=8175035&wl11=local&wl12=32263277&veh=sem&gclid=CjwKCAjwmtDpBRAQEiwAC6lm4yzlMy9LvWgAfk6fMkFrx4_ld_Myqyu724RFpnmhAV6mooHaSjAXkxoCl8wQAvD_BwE


If I know I am going to be gone for a while and want to keep my fuel weight down, I bring my fancee feast stove and a twig stove (bush buddy). This allows me to boil over a wood stove when I have dry sticks and I have the option of putting the fancee feast stove inside the bush buddy when I want to boil over alcohol.

All you need is this Stanley cook pot (just don't use the extra cups) and you can fit your fuel, stove, lighter, a small sponge, and still have a little room. Only $14.

EDIT: Also, if you're looking for a mug in addition to a pot, there are designs that match the popular GSI for half the price...I think it might nest in this set-up too.I heard Wal-Mart has them but I can't remember the name.

I was using the Stanley cook set: Stanley Adventure Camp Cook Set 24oz Stainless Steel https://www.amazon.com/dp/B005188T90/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_amhKzbGT131ZZ

And using regular boxed Mac and cheese. Without a windscreen. I think that was the biggest problem was the lack of a windscreen. Combined with my frustration of that, I turned it up a bit too high and ended up burning the Mac Noddles on the bottom. That and it was hard to stir due to the depth of the pot. My friend bought a cook set at big5 (discount sporting store) near me, for about as much as I spent, which came with 2 pots, a burner, a mini sponge, and a can of fuel for about as much as I spent. The burner was way better in the wind and she had no issues with it. That and I think I may have warped my BSR a bit from turning it too high... I'm probably gonna pick up that set soon. Seemed to work well enough. Think it was a bit heavier than my setup, but I know where I can shave some weight elsewhere.

I brought too much food for dinner. I didn't divide up the Mac and cheese boxes. I should've halved them at least. Needless to say I had a bunch of spare food, which I had to pack out. So lesson learned in that regard. I basically carried 6 dinners at least when I should've had 3. I think repacking ez-mac containers would've been better. Boil water, then pour into quart freeze bags as someone else explained. That would've prevented the mess, and the excess food I think.

Not really an answer to your question, but this does not have a coil and is not electrical: https://www.amazon.com/Iwatani-Corporation-America-ZA-3HP-Portable/dp/B006H42TVG/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1484344572&sr=8-2&keywords=hot+pot+burner

They make indoor gas stoves. It doesn't have to be for camping. I mean, regular kitchen gas stoves use propane or other type of natural gas.

This is indoor rated and gas canisters are $2 and run for 2 to 8 hours

Check out an Iwatani - http://smile.amazon.com/Iwatani-Corporation-America-ZA-3HP-Portable/dp/B006H42TVG/ref=sr_1_1?s=sporting-goods&ie=UTF8&qid=1426531370&sr=1-1&keywords=iwatani+butane+burner. $35 gets you a shitload of power

Iwatani Corporation of America ZA-3HP Portable Butane Stove Burner https://www.amazon.com/dp/B006H42TVG/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_jLZaBbY4A6G6E

Collapsible, silicone

0.7L TI, Usable on a stove, $35 (flash companion is 1L, $50-60)

0.45L smaller TI mug at $20

Or any other light-ish mug... GSI enamelware mugs are like $4. If you want to heat/rehydrate in succession, I'd recommend getting something with a lid, optionally double-walled/insulated so you don't need a cozy. Keep in mind if you get a double-walled mug, you won't be able to heat stuff up in it in a pinch.

Edit: Alternatively, if you and your wife are willing to share a pot, sell your flash cup and get a pot. More fuel efficient, less stuff to carry.

An aluminum or titanium pot would save 80-100g. This $35 titanium pot looks good. Using a lightweight plastic cup would save 50-60g.

Maybe try a DIY alcohol stove, which would save about 400g on a weekend trip. (On longer trips a canister stove has reasonably good weight efficiency.)

2kg is pretty heavy for a sleeping bag. Switching to a down quilt would save about 1500g. Enlightened Equipment is a great brand with really good prices.

Your pack is probably fine for now, but once you've upgraded your other gear and you have a better idea what capacity you need, you could probably save 800-1000g with a lighter pack.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B009B98FGW/ref=mp_s_a_1_3?qid=1465500857&sr=8-3&pi=SY200_QL40&keywords=titanium+pot+backpacking&dpPl=1&dpID=41U7k4-BtyL&ref=plSrch

Stove: BSR Ultralight stove

Spoon: Toaks Ti Long handle

Pot: Toaks Ti 750ml

Fire: Bic Mini

Seasoning: Tabasco in 30ml plastic dripper bottle

Water bottle: Smart Water 1L (x2)

Purification: Boil (winter) Sawyer Squeeze (other 3 seasons)

Meals: Mountain House, Packit Gourmet, SPAM singles, trail mix

I eat right out of the bag for the dehydrated meals

You could consider the BRS-3000T stove instead of the MicroRocket -- it's cheaper and lighter.

For the pot consider the SnowPeak Trek 700 -- I have one and it fits a canister well.

I have a bunch of them - MSR pocket rocket, Kovea Titanium stove, 2 cheap ones off Amazon. Only difference is the name brand ones feel more solid. If I could buy and try another, it would be the BRS stove, http://www.amazon.com/BRS-Ultralight-Camping-Outdoor-Cooking/dp/B00NNMF70U


I also use the Kovea LPG adaptor so I can use propane cans with these stoves when car camping: http://www.amazon.com/Kovea-LPG-Adaptor-Small-Silver/dp/B00CFPISZW


Get one without an igniter, as they all go bad sooner or later. Just bring a lighter to light the gas.

As a tip, just don't bring alcohol stove on the PCT. Fire bans are everywhere and you don't want to be that guy who sets the trail on fire.

Get the BRS-3000t and ~650ml titanium pot, like Toaks 650ml pot or Evernew Ultralight Deep pot.

More than likely you'll go stoveless at some point.

Honestly, if weight is priority, I would just grab a BRS stove. Test it a couple of times, and if there are issues, buy another.


I'm not keen on the waste of doing this, but I've got one and it has been working perfectly over the course of half a year or so. Just keep in mind that it won't perform as well in wind relative to your candidates. But boy is it tiny.

I know you wanted the rubberized handles, but that limits your options significantly. I'd say apply the rubber yourself with a tool handle dip.
BRS Stove - $16
Snow Peak Trek 900 - $45
Rustoleum Grip Dip $17.50

That leaves a solid $10. You can have them pick you up a canister or two!
I've been using both the BRS Stove and Snow Peak Trek 900 and they both work great. Now, if you have a windy situation, you may need to build a windscreen or get a MSR Pocket Rocket.

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• For around $50 you could get a Toaks 700ml pot ($40, 2.3 oz) and a BRS stove ($15, 1oz) and drop about 1lb.
  
  
• For around $200 you could get a 20 degree HG Econ Burrow quilt and save 2.5lb (wide for ground sleeper).
  
  
• Your big 3 are heavy in general but as you stated you aren't really to invest heavily in that.
  
  
• I'd personally drop the solar panel and kindle and save another pound.
  
  
• I'd add bug spray if you do not have it. And I assume you are probably taking a phone.
  
  
• There are a few others areas like clothing that could be lighter, but if took the above suggestions you could drop 4.5 lbs for about $250

So is propane the best for weight right now besides alcohol? I love my white gas! Is this the stove you have for solo? https://www.amazon.ca/BRS-Ultralight-Camping-Outdoor-Cooking/dp/B00NNMF70U

I'm leaving for my solo wct in two days, Tuesday May 7!

The BRS is a cheap lightweight stove.

https://www.amazon.com/Ubens-Ultralight-Camping-Outdoor-Cooking/dp/B00NNMF70U

The brs 3000 also gets a lot of mentions for inexpensive backpacking stoves.

I will say this though, it is nice to have a quality backpacking stove like the pocket rocket 2. I have both the etekcity and the pocket rocket. The pocket rocket feels sturdier and has bigger arms. Here is a photo of the same pot on the PR and etekcity. Those little arms on the etekcity just kind of flop back and forth too. I dont have any experience with the brs 3000 though

http://www.aliexpress.com/item/BRS-Outdoor-Lightweight-Stove-Titanium-alloy-Burner-Camping-Stove-BRS-3000T/2042933370.html non mobile link

Also amazon: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00NNMF70U/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=A2FVB70KDJE667

Maybe he means the BRS stove on Amazon that sells for like 13-15$
https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00NNMF70U/ref=mp_s_a_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1478337502&sr=8-2&pi=AC_SX236_SY340_FMwebp_QL65&keywords=brs+stove&dpPl=1&dpID=31OzI0vXTFL&ref=plSrch

> Tactical Bacon

I mean... If you're going to give him Tactical Bacon, Unicorn meat should also be on the list. Unicorns are fragile and might not survive the apocalypse. Therefore Unicorn meat will be worth a fortune when bartering for other survival items.

He'll also need a tactical spork if he decides to actually eat the bacon, or unicorn meat.

My kids bought me an assault spork.

https://www.amazon.com/Ka-Bar-Tactical-Spork-Spoon-9909/dp/B01FYJ6ICK

A pack stove is what you're looking for. They run on solid, liquid, or gas fuel and span a wide range of prices. Jetboil is a popular but pricey brand with many models. This means you will be carrying the stove, the fuel, and another container for the water.

If you're talking about a day hike then your best option is to get a good thermos just fill it up before you leave. It will be a lot less hassle, weigh less, and take up less space.

You want this. Cool grip pot. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B004UVPDUM/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_awdb_t1_yvrQDb25ZNVWP

Food. These things are delicious. You just boil 2 cups of water and pour it in. let it sit for about 8-10 minutes and feast. I take them backpacking with a jetboil to boil the water and I eat like a king.

edit: formatting.

I like the 32 ounce single walled stainless steel nalgene bottle. The one with straight walls is best because it nests snugly in the GSI/Walmart steels cup. Because it is single walled, you can boil water in it with a campfire. It is also the exact right size for a single dose of water purification tablets if you don't want to boil it.

It is hard to find now, Nalgene has switched to a tapered design closer to a tall coffee cup. That one rattles around in the GSI/Walmart cup, but apparently fits snugly inside the Stanley Adventure Camp Cook Kit.

Ehh I'd be wary. You can find gear for cheap, you just have to do some searching. Looks like you've got plenty of time to do that, too. If you're not willing to commit to backpacking as a hobby just yet, don't worry about buying the $300 sleeping bag. I have a $40 one I got on Amazon and it works amazing if you run hot. We have a "guest" backpack that we got from Costco for $25 (yeah it's not the best engineered pack, but perfect for someone who only goes once every few years). Costco is also great for cheap, non-cotton clothing and socks. They should be getting all of that stuff in in a few weeks.

REI gear sales are the way to go for headlamps, pads and tents. This is a good mid-level cooking set for two, and the Pocket Rocket is a good quality, low price stove option.

Basically, for the cost to rent, you could get mostly set-up with mid-range gear you can keep. You've got the time to find the good deals, why not take advantage of it?

Also, super jealous. I've always wanted to go to Glacier N.P.

Have you considered getting a Stanley Cup?

Been using this for a few years now....

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https://www.amazon.com/dp/B005188T90/ref=sspa_dk_detail_6?psc=1&pd_rd_i=B005188T90

I use a GSI JavaDrip. Works awesome.. I use it camping in my RV and it fits in the saddlebags of my motorcycle too.

https://www.amazon.com/GSI-Outdoors-Javadrip-Portable-Coffee/dp/B00OHCLO0W/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1497043828&sr=8-5&keywords=gsi+outdoor+java

I also use this Stanley Cook set Comes with two cups and the pot is big enough to fill the JavaDrip most of the way.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B005188T90?psc=1

• Here's the Cook Set it comes with two mugs.
  
• This is the exact stove I'm using but there are plenty of other ones.
  
• And here is a mix of fuel, stoves, and accessories.

I suggest Stanley Adventure Camp Cook Set 24oz Stainless Steel https://www.amazon.com/dp/B005188T90/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_tPdSAb2ZQ65Y6

And a small plastic plate. Remove one of the cups and you stove will fit in the pot when packed.

Stove - Video
Mug
Pot, Pan set or this, depending on cooking preference.
Cutlery or this
Get fuel locally, such as the MSR butane mix for $5.99/8oz at Sports Authority
Total cost <$40

From my experience in scouts the only things that weren't shit were stainless and cast iron. There's such a weight difference that it's easy to know which to use based on what style of camping you're doing.

Currently using this bought it at target on clearence for less than 10 which was nice. Actually use it at home a lot for rice or when I'm too lazy to wash the real pots/pans

I like to have multi-fuel stove to keep my options open. I keep this Bushbox pocket stove in my bug out bag to cook in an emergency. I like it because it takes up almost no space, is very stable, is easy to put together, and can boil water using little more than twigs - no need to expend energy gathering and processing large amounts of fire wood. I use this mess kit to boil water. In case there is no dry wood available, I have a back-up alcohol burner that fits in the stove (a bit snug but works well enough) and I keep some denatured alcohol on hand as an alternative fuel source. There are lots of little burners like this on the market. I went with the Solo option because I would ultimately like to upgrade to the whole solo stove kit, which is cool but currently out of my price range. Finally, I have some Esbit fuel tabs that also work with the stove, but I view these as a last resort because I think they smell terrible! Some people swear by them though.

This set up works great for me as a single person.

This is a nice quality inexpensive mess kit (no spork)

This is a really nice quality flashlight!

Here is a good quality pocket knife.

This is a solid budget friendly pot I use (ditch the green cups). It boils water for backpacking meals and will take a beating.

this one



Now if you have deep pockets get any titanium pot from Amazon and save 4/5oz's

I use this. It has everything you require and I got it for $14.99 at WalMart
It a bit smaller I guess but close enough. I can heat up more than enough water for two mountain house meals http://www.amazon.com/Stanley-Adventure-Camp-Cook-Set/dp/B005188T90/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1425585044&sr=8-1&keywords=stanley+cook+set

Ahh, awesome! I've made that recipe once and it was indeed delicious. If you haven't tried the chicken thigh version, IMO it's better: https://www.seriouseats.com/recipes/2015/04/pressure-cooker-fast-and-easy-chicken-chile-verde-recipe.html

edit to add: Have you considered a smaller burner like one of these? https://www.amazon.com/Iwatani-Corporation-America-ZA-3HP-Portable/dp/B006H42TVG/ref=sr_1_3?keywords=portable+gas+cooktop&qid=1566313614&s=gateway&sr=8-3

We have a portable butane stove we can put on the dinner table like this. (This is also really handy for picnics and cookouts...or if you like hot pot, or shabu shabu, or fondue...very handy to have around)

And then we have something like this or this to put on the stove. Personally, I'd go to a korean grocery, as they'll probably sell something like this at a cheaper price.

You probably can get away with using a small pan too.

I wouldn't buy bottled marinade. The sauce is really easy to make, and there are plenty of recipes online.

Edit: note also that if you're planning on doing this inside there's going to be a bit of smoke. You may have to open windows! The 'smokeless' pan above isn't as smokeless as one would like.

Yeah while you don't need a jet engine to stir-fry, I do think gas is preferable to electric. People make do, but I personally just can't stand electric ranges.

This's the burner we use, more or less. It seems slightly different (perhaps even a bit stronger? When I converted our stove's KwH to BTUs I got something a shade over 9k but that one says its 12k), but it's the same company and the same model name.

If you opt for something a shade stronger like this one, 15k BTUs is like literally exactly what a Chinese home kitchen stove is. Smack a wok ring on that for a nice large round bottomed wok and you got basically an ideal set-up imo.

I would be concerned about what the torch is burning and what residues are landing on your steak. Someone mentioned using the torch to heat up the pan, then throw the steaks in. I like that better. Or better yet, buy a single gas burner. So you can use it outside to avoid the fire alarm then bring it in to finish on the oven.

Hope you like it! Sorry it's not more organized. If you're stir frying often, maybe consider getting one of these. Every Asian household has one and most Asian grocery stores sell them. They run on butane cans that are pretty cheap. Cooking on gas is next level even compared to induction. You can set a wok ring over it for some pretty serious stir fry capability for not that much money.

http://www.amazon.com/Iwatani-Corporation-America-ZA-3HP-Portable/dp/B006H42TVG/ref=sr_1_2?s=kitchen&ie=UTF8&qid=1419609313&sr=1-2

Regulating the temperature on an electric burner element is tricky. If you want to experience the joy of gas cooking, try a butane burner like this.

I have a gas range, but I also have a single burner induction cooktop I use occasionally when I don't want to heat up the house or for overflow cooking, and that also actually does a pretty great job of controlling temperature. It does require either cast iron or tri-ply cookware though.

I have one and I love it. It is super hot, sometimes even simmer (the lowest setting on mine) is a little hotter than I want it.

The fuel is easy to find at asian shops and super cheap (~50c a can), while lasting 45min-1.5 hours depending on how high you have the heat

The one real negative I see is cooking in high wind. There is no protection for the flame, but even then I've never had the flame go out.

Here is a link to the model I have.

https://www.amazon.com/TOAKS-POT-750-Titanium-750ml-Pot/dp/B009B98FGW

I googled for everyone:

> 750ml mug-shaped titanium pot

And this came up. Looks cool.

These are a little spendy but are actually purpose built. Honestly though, having gone down this road a number of times I would suggest sticking to an aluminum or titanium cook pot to boil your water in and use your favorite over the counter bottled water brand bottle of choice. I personally like Smart Water brand. They're stupid durable, available in a variety of shapes and sizes. When you're done with your camping trip just throw it away and get another one next time.

Me and my friends hike in the ozarks once or twice a year. Actually we're going down there March 30th - April 2nd for my bachelor party, just doing an easy loop around the Council Bluff Lake. We're going to span it out over a few days to leave more time for drinking and shenanigans. But typically we try to do a new section each time we go out. What section are you doing? Bell Mountain is a good one if you're looking. Quite a bit of elevation change for a missouri trail, but some nice sights along the way. But then if you're only staying one night, you might not have time for a section that includes Bell Mountain. Maybe you should consider the Council Bluff Lake trail too. It's supposed to be a really easy section, 12.5 miles and relatively flat. Water access from the lake at all times (get a filter of some kind) and could be done in one day if you needed to. Camping only allowed more than 500 feet from shore FYI.

Okay, for your real question, gear.
-Get a water filter (I have the MSR Sweetwater Microfilter, it's awesome) that way you know you can get water if you need it and it will be clean

-it seems ridiculous, but I really recommend you get some trekking poles. They help immensely.
-Get some good waterproof boots. Splurge on some good hiking boots if you think you're going to keep hiking. Your feet will thank you. nothing more miserable than being 10+ miles from civilization with blistered and bloody feet.
-A headlamp. Seriously useful for when the sun goes down. Doesn't have to be fancy.
-What are you doing for food? For a one day trip, you probably won't need much, but consider picking up a cheap backpacking stove. I can vouch for this one and you'll need to buy a canister of iso/butane fuel. The fuel is best and way cheaper to buy in a store. Just check out Bass Pro or something.
-A lightweight pot like this one to cook in. It's perfect size and incredibly light. Don't forget utensils if you need them. And consider bringing some bags of tea. It's amazing how nice a hot cup of tea is in this scenario.
-Lightweight food, like Mountain House freezedried food is awesome for backpacking, but expensive.
-Take a lightweight pocket knife. Doesn't need to be fancy, just a basic cutting edge.
-Water bladders or nalgenes to pump your water into. I will usually use a 3L Platypus bladder for bulk storage and then a 1 or 2L camelbak with a drinking tube to drink while I'm walking. Depending on water availability, of course. If there is frequent water availability, I carry less. Water is HEAVY.
-Take some kind of rain gear if you think it might rain, along with a rain cover for your backpack. Being soaked in the cold is miserable. And not being able to get warmed up because your tent and sleeping bag are soaked can even be dangerous.
-Take a spare pair of dry clothes to wear at night at your campsite along with some flip flops or something. Believe me, you'll want to be able to take your boots off but still walk around the campsite.
-Bring gloves and a hat. Bring at least one pair of spare socks
-Bring a basic first aid kit
-some way to start a fire. I use those long bic lighters for bbqs. Also I cheat with those esbit firestarter cubes when it's wet
-Print off a copy of the the map for the trail you're following and laminate it

Things I discovered that all newbies buy but after the first trip realize they don't need:
-A saw
-An axe
-One of those red plastic mallets to drive in tent stakes
-A giant knife
-A Machete
-A camping chair
-Battery charger
-Solar powered everything (okay, a solar lamp or something might be okay if you want to carry the weight)
-A bunch of paracord


I don't know, I'm sure I missed some stuff, but I'm bored and excited about my upcoming trip and thought I'd ramble off a few things. Hope you have fun!

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Cooking over a stove is much easier than on a fire, you have a lot more control over what and how hot you can cook, saying that I'm often known to bring steaks on the first night of a trip and cook them on the fire.

Assuming you're talking about hiking trips, if you're after something thats cheap and will do the trick there's this $9 stove on Amazon there's also the BRS3000T which IMO is a better stove.

Cookware is going to depend on what you're wanting to cook

Currently my setup is the BRS-3000T, TOAKS Ti Light 650mL titanium pot, Sea to Summit Long Spoon and a little foil windshield. I also have a Jetboil Minimo, MSR Whisperlite International too, but for just starting out I wouldn't go with either of those.

Someone here in r/ultralight said the BRS 3000 simmers well. I have one but have not tried it. However, for $16 it might be worth buying and trying out yourself.

Titanium mug and a mini gas burner? Then buy your own butane in Reykjavik.

The smallest 100g canister will be good for 15-20 cups of smoking hot coffee.

What about these?

https://www.amazon.com/BRS-Outdoor-Camping-Portable-Ultralight/dp/B00NNMF70U

https://www.amazon.com/Etekcity-Ultralight-Portable-Backpacking-Ignition/dp/B00B4FY8YO/ref=sr_1_3?s=sporting-goods&ie=UTF8&qid=1511994082&sr=1-3&keywords=backpacking+stove

Olicamp mug/pot $12, 4oz weight, 20oz capacity

BRS 3000T Burner $15, 25g. It really is an amazing little micro stove.

Jetboil Flash LID This lid fits the Olicamp mug/pot perfectly! $6, plus shipping. About 1oz

A 100g canister fits perfectly inside, plus the BRS and a bic. The jetboil lid fits securely and keeps everything together.

Ditch the canteen.. carry your water in 1L and/or 750ml smartwater/lifewater bottles. Seriously. It’s durable, and weighs significantly less.

Last year I picked up this stove. Light as all getout and works well.

I also purchased zelph's fancee feast stove, but have yet to try it out at high elevation. This guy swears by his custom one though.

In that case, I'd recommend going as light-weight as you can. A set like the one in the photo will be fine for car camping, but too heavy for backpacking, especially multi-day. Here's what I take when backpacking:

Toaks titanium 700ml pot

BRS ultralight gas stove

Toaks titanium folding spork

And a 4 or 8oz gas canister like this one, depending on how long I'll be going for. Don't get the gas canisters online though, get them at a camping or outdoors store, they'll be cheaper.

Honestly, that's all I need for solo backpacking. If you're backpacking with other people, you would maybe need a bigger pot (like 800 or 900ml), but I prefer to use the smaller one and make batches of food if need be. If I'm going car camping, I can bring more stuff as needed (cups, mugs, bowls, etc).

You don't need to get the exact items I have, but basically just ask for a simple, ideally ultralight gas canister stove, cooking pot (ideally titanium, not stainless steel), and a lightweight spork.

I also don't think you need tupperware unless you're car camping. When I backpack, I bring primarily dried foods that require not much cooking (asian style noodles, oatmeal, couscous, etc), and augment with some packaged tuna or chicken (in a bag, not a can) and spices. You can browse through /r/trailmeals for inspiration on cooking while camping.

Ever heard of the BRS 3000T?

I've had good luck with Toaks products. You can hold the handle without it being too hot, even with boiling water. This should fill your requirements:

https://www.toaksoutdoor.com/collections/pot95/products/pot-550-l

For a stove I use this popular item:

https://www.amazon.com/BRS-Outdoor-Camping-Portable-Ultralight/dp/B00NNMF70U

Super light, heats water up just fine.

Out of convenience, I usually use an artisan instant coffee like Voila.

If I really want actual coffee grounds, I’ll bring the grounds in a plastic bag and use a tea strainer. It works well. Just get water near boil, drop in tea strainer with grounds, lightly stir. This is the exact one I use: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B075K57B73/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_UUA6BbJCMDBJN

As for a stove, I use this ridiculously light and cheap Chinese stove. Quantity is not great but it’s dirt cheap and I’ve never had one show up not functional. Some will leak gas for an instant when you screw the stove on (more than you’d expect), some don’t. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00NNMF70U/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_2VA6BbGGSBA02

A few items that look heavy:

• compressible pillow @ 9oz is super heavy, but if it's the only thing that will help you sleep that's ok (-6oz for inflatable)
  
• could use a BRS stove that's lighter, but the pocket rocket is fine (-2oz)
  
• could go to a smaller power bank (6700mAh around 4oz) to save 2oz or so
  
  Also, as I reiterate to everyone, lyme disease is VERY rampant in the northeast. Don't by shy about packing more DEET or picaridin. Soak all of your clothes in permethrin before the trip, particularly socks.

This ultralight canister stove has been making the rounds lately, I've been pretty impressed with it. http://www.amazon.com/BRS-Ultralight-Camping-Outdoor-Cooking/dp/B00NNMF70U

Hey, you can also make quite a bit of your own gear if you're feeling up to the challenge. Check out /r/myog for more information about that.

Fancy, fold up cook kits can run you $20 to $70 or more, plus fuel, but you can also make your own cook kits real easily from soda cans, cat food cans, and grease pots. You can get one from Walmart for $7, and an aluminum pot handle from any outdoors store for a couple of bucks. Here's a basic one for $4, but you can find them for $2, too. You can also use a folded bit of aluminum foil as a wind break around your stove.

The best part about those is not only are they light and cheap to replace, but your can stove and your aluminum handle should fit neatly inside your grease pot. Depending on how tall you made your windbreak, you might be able to fit it inside your pot, too. If not, it's just aluminum foil; it'll fold up.

It really depends on what your budget and your conditions are. You can grab a cheap, fairly light tent for $50 or $60. (If you want to go crazy cheap, there are $20 tents that you can set up between two trees or support with trekking poles.)

I wouldn't suggest depending on a cheap tent for the long term, but use them as something you can test out, beat up, and not be too heartbroken over. They're just the basics.

Woot.com often has sales on camping gear, including backpacks, light blankets, sleeping bags, and hammocks. Decent backpacking hammocks usually run about $15 to $25 online, don't stress about getting one that's really expensive and has a lot of features. They're pretty much all parachute hammocks. Worry about investing in the expensive stuff later.

My advice, though? Don't stress about your gear at first. Get some cheap starter gear, read about it, test it, make a plan. Drop on by /r/trailmeals and find some simple recipes that you like. Find a nice state park nearby and look at their maps. Find a camp site and see what's there: Do you have trees available for hammocks? Is there a fire pit already set up? Do you have wood available for fuel? (You probably won't need much more than your cook pot and utensils if your campsite has a firepit with a grill, for example.)

Make your plan and execute it. Let people know where you're going, and what you're up to. Invite a friend if you can. Put your comfy shoes on, toss your crap in a backpack, go out for a weekend, and test your gear. Get some experience with your new stuff, see what works for you and what doesn't. Learn where you want to focus if you want to shed weight, and check your reviews. Go to places like REI: they'll often let you see or set up any tent you're interested in, in advance, so you can check out how easy or how difficult it might be on the trail, in the dark. That last part's important. You can have the fanciest tent in the world, but it doesn't mean a hill of beans if you can't set it up in the dark. (Because at some point, you will be setting up your tent in the dark, in the rain, in some sort of adverse conditions. It happens. Be prepared.)

Practice with your gear, learn your gear. Learn your limits and your preferences.
Knowledge is easy to acquire, useful to have, and doesn't weigh anything, so pack a lot of it.

You're gonna want to get that experience on your cheap stuff, so you can learn and make mistakes without ruining some high-end piece of kit that's really gonna cost you. Get your experience in and add the expensive, fancier stuff as you go. I like to focus on pack, shelter, and shoes. They're going to be your main sources of weight and your big comfort items. Bad shoes and ill-fitting packs hurt. Insufficient shelters suck. Upgrading those early on, or starting with some mid-tier gear if you can afford it, is handy.

And if you decide that maybe this isn't for you, that's okay, too. You can back out without having dropped several thousand dollars on all the latest gear. It's easy to spend hundreds on fancy gear. Try to avoid falling into that trap.

It's probably ultralight heresy, but I often bring a cheap paperback book with me. Sure, it's sort of heavy for a luxury item that I don't need, and if it falls in a creek then my book is destroyed; I get that. However, for me, you can't beat hanging out in a comfy hammock under the trees with a good book. That serenity is why I go hiking and backpacking in the first place.

I also tell myself that if things ever go incredibly sour, a cheap book or a trail journal is also a good source of tinder and toilet paper. Not that I would do such things, but if I was ever stranded somewhere and I had to, the option is there. Similarly, you can signal other hikers or other people in your party if you have a trail journal - just pull out a page and leave a note for them.

Oh, and it's also wise to bring a couple of trash bags along with you. Get the big, kitchen sized ones.

They're great for:

| | | |
|:--:|:--:|:--:|
| holding trash | separating wet clothes | good laundry bags |
| dirty shoe mat | tent hole repair | emergency ponchos |
| emergency pack covers | food bag | extra warmth |

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Oh, and remember the simple principles:

Pack it in, pack it out. - Any gear (or people) you bring, you're responsible for getting it (or them) back out.

Leave no trace. - You have a responsibility to leave your campsite as you found it, or better than you found it. Any trash you bring, you pack it right back out with you. If someone before you has been an asshole and has left a bunch of trash all over the campsite, try to clean it up, even if you can't pack it all out.

Hike your own hike. - This means that you can have all the excellent advice in the world, but how you do your hike is up to you. No one else can tell you how to live your life, and if you want to carry a little extra weight for a luxury item, or if you prefer a bit of kit that isn't quite in vogue this season, or if you can't afford the high-end, cuben fiber this or that, don't stress about it. You're out there to enjoy yourself, focus on that.

Be prepared. - This is the Boy Scout motto. Things will happen that you're not going to expect. Don't go overboard and don't get too crazy about it, but have a plan and know how to execute it. Learn the area you'll be at and know what sorts of conditions to expect. If you get hurt, know who you can call. If you're in a state or national park, those phone numbers are always on the freebie trail maps they provide - grab one at the ranger station or the trail head and keep it with you or keep a photo of it on your phone. Are you going to need extra batteries? Is your phone going to have service? If you can, sign up for a first aid course or a trail-specific first aid course. That's information you'll want to know if you ever need it.

r/ultralight reporting

This stove is my pick. Uses canister fuel, very fast boiling time (about 3 minutes, but will vary by altitude) and only weighs 25g with an adjustable flame. I pair it with the toaks light 550mL pot.

That said, it's pretty much only suitable for boiling water. If you're car camping, you could still use it to make poached eggs or soups if you have the right ingredients. Cooking food inside a plastic bag is also a great option that allows you to get more creative.

I've got a chinese knockoff basically identical to this one, but Lixada or one of the other brands.

Works great, burns hot and perfectly uniformly, keeps the pot stable, collapses down and shakes out easily, built well enough, the mesh bag is fine enough to contain the ash dust but not great. Only issue is the folding pot stand bits are pretty stiff to open, and the stamped holes in the bottom aren't perfectly evenly spaced for some reason, but neither is a deal breaker for the price.

Innanzitutto bushcraft è un termine inglese che in italiano si traduce con "campeggio abusivo"

Io lo faccio (massimo due giorni, con record di tre, poi mi serve una doccia). l'ho fatto pure in mezzo alla neve, cosa che non raccomando a nessuno credevo di dovermi amputare i mignolini dei piedi.

La cosa più complicata è trovare un posto dove puoi accendere un fuoco. O meglio il posto non esiste perché in Italia è illegale praticamente ovunque che io sappia, devi trovare un posto dove nessuno ti becca. Allo stesso modo dormire in un posto a caso è di solito illegale, in certe regioni è legale dormire solo una notte a patto di non sporcare (ma per questo non serve una legge giusto?)

Una volta trovato il posto è tutto in discesa, vai la, monti la tenda, accendi il fuoco, fai bollire l'acqua per il caffè, cucini la fettina di carne sulla fiamma... cose così.

Per cominciare fallo in estate e portati un accendino perché su you tube sembra facile accendere il fuoco con l'acciarino ma in realtà è tra le cose più frustranti che esistoni al mondo, e magari investi un po' di soldi per una cucinetta a legna tipo questa https://www.amazon.com/Ohuhu-Camping-Stainless-Backpacking-Potable/dp/B0125U36Q2/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?dchild=1&qid=1573723917&refinements=p_n_feature_keywords_browse-bin%3A4150633011&s=outdoor-recreation&sr=1-1 perché cucinare sulla brace senza carbone o sulla fiamma potrebbe non riuscirti mentre con questa hai una cosa simile ad un fornello.

Prima di passare la notte fuori fai qualche giorno in cui vai la mattina e torni la sera per familiarizzare a capire se in effetti sei ok con il passare la notte (fa paura potresti non fare una bella esperienza)

Facendo le cose per gradi inizi a capire che equipaggiamento ti serve, per esempio io non saprei cosa farmene di una bussola ma ho scoperto che nel periodo autunnale ho bisogno di un coso di questi https://www.amazon.it/dd-tarp-Parasole-coperture-campeggio/s?k=dd+tarp&rh=n%3A3102065031 e poi ho scoperto che quel coso sostituiva egregiamente una tenda . Ma ripeto dipende da te sono cose soggettive.

Infine portati SEMPRE un cellulare con gps, se non ti piace l'idea tienilo spento ma portatelo sempre e comunque

You got er, man

Personally, I steer clear of stoves requiring you to bring fuel. Generally, I have fuel all around me.

So, I carry this out: https://www.amazon.com/Ohuhu-Camping-Stainless-Backpacking-Potable/dp/B0125U36Q2

It's really nice, since it really runs well on scraps: Pine cones, twigs, leaves, etc etc. There are few places I go where I cannot at least obtain that on the ground.

It even handles wet fuel well, due to the rocket stove design.

I'm kind of a hippie and don't want any fossil fuels so we went for this on lightning sale at $13 https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0125U36Q2/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Gasifier wood stoves do the same thing without the electricity by recirculating hot air. They are much lighter and consume less fuel. I find the whole electrical part of it to be less natural and bad feng shui for camping.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0125U36Q2/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?smid=A2KDBGPI4VU5M7&psc=1

Ka-Bar Tactical Spork (Spoon Fork Knife) Tool 9909 on Amazon

If you are a fan of the tacticool ka bar style : Ka-Bar Tactical Spork (Spoon Fork Knife) Tool 9909 https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B01FYJ6ICK/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_MvEnDbRT6Q00T

Check this out> https://www.amazon.com/Ka-Bar-Tactical-Spork-Spoon-9909/dp/B01FYJ6ICK/

Cause they are sharper than the knives we are permitted to buy.

Also they come in tactical assault style https://www.amazon.com/Ka-Bar-Tactical-Spork-Spoon-9909/dp/B01FYJ6ICK

Can't be having that!

She needs one of these

Come at me bro! I got my tactical SPORK ready to go!

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EDIT: I'd like to comment a bit on the absolutely killer marketing of this fine product on amazon. The description includes such bits as, "durable and long lasting making it effective and long lasting", "pretty decent knife", and "fairly in expensive". Truly a marketing genius with a fierce command of the English language put together that page.

Astronaut ice cream! It's light, calorie dense, tasty, and lasts forever.

Yeah you can.

http://www.amazon.com/American-Outdoor-Products-Astronaut-Neapolitan/dp/B00005C2M2

You can get it at the Air & Space Museum in D.C. Barring that, you can get it online, especially in ThinkGeek's Space Food Sampler, as well as individually.

Edit:

Here and [here] (http://www.thinkgeek.com/geektoys/science/9e07/) or even here

In case I wasn't the only one who actually got hungry thinking about the product being launched, you can get a pack of 10 Neapolitan astronaut ice creams for about $30.

This is going to be fun. Across my multiple wishlists...

1.) Something that is grey.
Grey bedsheets.

2.) Something reminiscent of rain.
Pet water fountain.

3.) Something food related that is unusual.
Astronaut Ice Cream

4.) Something on your list that is for someone other than yourself. Tell me who it's for and why. (Yes, pets count!)
This Bruins banner is for my BFF Becky. She loves the Bruins more than anything. Hockey is her obsession. I put it on my list to remind myself to get it for her at some point. It would make her happy.

5.) A book I should read! I am an avid reader, so take your best shot and tell me why I need to read it!
The Name of the Wind. Of everything I've read in the past 6 months, this one I devoured and have been desperate for the second book in (it's on my list to pick up this week, actually, if my paycheck EVER comes in).

Look, I hate... HATE... first person perspective. I see it as a sign of sloppy writing. However, this book had me SOLD on it. Kvothe is possibly one of my new favorite characters OF ALL TIME.

Avid reader doesn't even begin to describe me. I have my own library. I need books like air. And if I had to make a list of 100 books that were all I was allowed to have for the rest of my life, THIS WOULD BE ON IT.

6.) An item that is less than a dollar, including shipping... that is not jewelry, nail polish, and or hair related!
This kindle book

7.) Something related to cats. I love cats! (keep this SFW, you know who you are...)
The most interesting cat toy in the world

8.) Something that is not useful, but so beautiful you must have it.
This choker. Enough said.

9.) A movie everyone should watch at least once in their life. Why?
The Breakfast Club Why? Because. It's a good movie. Whether you were the jock, the brain, the spoiled brat, the loser, or the troublemaker-- there's a character you can identify with, and it shows that whatever and whoever you are, you can get along with someone who isn't in your clique.

10.) Something that would be useful when the zombies attack. Explain.
A Seed Vault

Everyone worries about fighting zombies.

Dumb. You see, when the zombies come, I'm holing up. A few weeks and if they are undead, they'll have rotted themselves to death. If they are fast moving, viral sumbitches, then they'll have likely ended up offing themselves through dehydration or whatever.

In any event, I'll wait them out. But then, I will need to rebuilt and eat.

(Besides, I have my trusty zombie-killing baseball bat, and a bow. Quiet. Efficient.)

11.) Something that would have a profound impact on your life and help you to achieve your current goals.
This book on Aztec and Inca expansionism. I'm back in school, and my focus is Mesoamerican Studies. Eventual degrees, here I come!

12.) One of those pesky Add-On items.
Zucchini seeds.

13.) The most expensive thing on your list. Your dream item. Why?
A KitchenAid Mixer Why? I like to cook and bake. My mother has one that I used for years when I was a kid and still living with her. I'm 30 now. I remember she got it when I was like, 5. IT STILL WORKS. Over a dozen moves, being abused for holidays making bread and cookies and cakes, being used by my Dad (I swear, he looks at appliances and they break) and it STILL FUNCTIONS PERFECTLY.

I cannot think of a kitchen appliance that would be more useful.

14.) Something bigger than a bread box. EDIT A bread box is typically similar in size to a microwave.

This loft bed

15.) Something smaller than a golf ball.
How about 7 somethings? A set of dice.

16.) Something that smells wonderful.
Italian Herb Bread Mix It smells good when you open the box. When it's mixed. While it's rising. While it bakes. After it bakes. As you've slathered butter on it and begin to nom.

17.) A (SFW) toy.
Hawkeye is so SFW I would bring him in to put on my desk.

18.) Something that would be helpful for going back to school.
This book, of course.

19.) Something related to your current obsession, whatever that may be.
Funko Tyrion Lannister because even a small man can cast a great shadow.

20.) Something that is just so amazing and awe-inspiring that I simply must see it. Explain why it is so grand.
This.

No one will understand the magnificence of this plushie.

It is a rotund, cuddly, snuggly Cthulhu.

But Cthulhu does not cuddle. He does not care. When the stars are right, he will rise from the deeps and from his seat Ry'leh, devour his cultists-- and everyone else-- by the millions, and bring forth an end to all things.

But how can you deny his Elder God wrath? HOW?! Look at him, all squishy and warm and soft. Look at his little T-Rex arms, reaching out for your love and devotion. His eyes, his wiggly little face tentacles. YOU MUST SNUGGLE HIM.

fear cuts deeper than swords

What do we say to death? NOT TODAY.

Here ya go!

Does anyone have recommendations on the best pot(s) to bring backpacking? I'm looking for something that is light weight, durable, and will fit easily on my Coleman single burner propane stove
Edit: Coleman Bottle Top Propane Stove https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0009PUR5E/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_kLcjzbZCYHCDA

Coleman Bottle Top Propane Stove,Green,6.62" H x 7.81" W x 7.75" L https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0009PUR5E/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_hZxQBb3YGJQA2

This is what I have and it works great. Can be a bit of a pain (top heavy) with my huge cast iron but it's do-able. Works perfectly fine with my smaller more standard size cast iron. For the money it's hard to beat.

Ok you need a first aid kit because YOU NEVER KNOW and rocks are sharp.

You could also use FOOD, either in dehydrated form to cook with water on a camp burner, or in bar form.

HAVE FUN!

small camping stove

because being able to cook and boil water when the power goes out is amazing.

I have this one, which I recommend if you want to spend the extra $

sorry for huuuuuge links wtf edit: Thank you helpful mod!

Solid fuel stoves aren't anything new. The one you link there is insanely expensive. As an example, here's one for under $10.

As for other suitable camp stoves, there are plenty out there. I have a Jetboil Flash system that I've been quite happy with. It boils water extremely quickly and is nearly foolproof to use. The downside is that it's not the lightest stove out there.

I also own a MSR Pocket Rocket stove. It's less full-featured than other stoves, but it's very small and light. You also must have a pot to use with it.

Just to throw out some general outdoors stuff that he may enjoy/not already own: a headlamp if he enjoys camping or being outside at night, a Leatherman or other general purpose multi-tool, a decent set of hiking boots, a Camelbak or similar hydration backpack.

1. crash pad
   
   
2. shoes
   
3. chalk
   
4. brushes
   
5. 6 changes of clothes pair of shorts, pair of pants, 2 t-shirts, light jacket, sweatshirt/sweater, 2 pairs of socks, 2 pairs of underwear. You should be wearing about half of this going out. Just air out the clothes you aren't wearing, even better is to wash them in a stream.
   
6. toiletries Bar of soap, toothpaste, toothbrush, toilet paper, deodorant if you must
   
7. harness
   
8. belay device
   
9. warm hat and gloves not sure what the weather will be like but I reserve these for when it may snow
   
10. lots of socks
    
11. lounging shoes, hiking shoes running shoes are good for hiking if your pack isn't heavy >30lbs
    
12. sleeping bag
    
13. tent
    
14. pillow use your clothes
    
15. few 1 bowl
    
16. good calorie dense snacks such as nuts, jerky, dried fruit.
    
17. spork tool
    
18. pocket knife
    
19. phone charger. Is this solar or what? You're probably better off picking up a couple spare extended batteries and charging them up before you go, turn your phone off for most of the trip.
    
20. backpack, is this an additional pack? Or what all of this is in?
    
21. rain jacket $1 poncho
    
22. camera
    
23. book
    
    My additions:
    
    
24. headlamp and extra batteries
    
25. finger nail clippers, ibuprofin, antihistamines, wetnaps, purification tabs, bug spray
    
26. Ultralight towel
    
27. Ground mat
    
28. Camping pot
    
29. Water bottle, like the platypus
    
30. Medical tape
    
31. Firestarting kit: cotton balls soaked in vasoline, lighter, flint/steel
    
32. Whiskey
    
33. Dehydrated food of some sort.
    
    Bonus:
    
    
34. Weather radio
    
35. Camping stove
    
36. Hammock instead of a tent
    
    
    All in all I think you should keep your pack under 30lbs, especially if you are going to be doing some hiking.

here is one from Amazon. However, the ones we have are from ThinkGeek

http://www.amazon.com/Snow-Peak-SCT-004-Titanium-Spork/dp/B000AR2N76/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1317701116&sr=8-2

I've met lots of people with dragonfly stoves - it presses home though why the whisperlite is named as such. the noise THE NOISE that a dragonfly makes..
this (control) is a real problem with whisperlites though - if i want to apply less heat than the lowest working setting (will vary with fuel type and quality), i tend to just hold the pan above the flame - practical enough when frying eggs, perhaps less so with more elaborate cuisine.

an inexpensive way to have a gentle simmer - buy (or better, make your own) spirit burner; very light and inexpensive so no biggie if you decide you don't like it. they don't have the grunt that petrol or gas stoves have, but i was impressed with how good they actually are. (something like www.amazon.co.uk/Trangia-Spirit-Burner-With-Screwcap/dp/B000AR7970 or home-made - http://www.instructables.com/id/Can-Stove/ ) a spirit stove is hardly an encumbrance, so you can simmer your dinner on it, while making tea AT THE SAME TIME. (my god, the luxury)
a small bottle of ethanol is useful to have in any event, for lots of things, not least cleanly priming your whisperlite, or getting the f*cker to light at all if you're using paraffin or diesel.

Cat food can stove, denatured alcohol and ramen. Cost a fraction and provides sufficient calories. Add a few snickers in there for variation.


This is the best suggestion. Ramen can be eaten without cooking too. Throw in a few sauce packs from restaurants like soya, chili sauce, mayo, Vary up the Snickers with Tiger bars, granola bars, Cliff bars etc. A few packs of tuna and chicken in the foil packs. A few tins of Vienna sausage. 20-30 dollars should get you an awesome and compact 72 hour food kit. People tend to over think this.

Here is a better stove for 15 bucks ( I use 90% rubbing alcohol -- available at any pharmacy -- a lot for less than five dollars):

Trangia Spirit Burner

These things are cool and I've made a few but I've never had one that lasted long. I found a Trangia alcohol stove and it works the same but is made much stronger and has lasted me on all my hiking and camping trips for the last 5 years.

I think it would be worth it to spend a few dollars and have something that is durable and lasts as opposed to something that will fall apart quickly.

I bought this one:
https://www.amazon.com/Camp-Chef-Camping-Outdoor-Burner/dp/B0013LLSZG/ref=sr_1_2?s=sporting-goods&ie=UTF8&qid=1501074495&sr=1-2&keywords=camp+chef+oven
because I live on nachos and frozen pizzas and really wanted an oven. The van isn't finished yet but I've been using it in my house for the last few weeks and I love it.

If you're a baker, a propane oven is essential. Here's a good one if you don't already have one: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0013LLSZG/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_jQoczbS7HYC1N

Yep! The Nightster has a "king sportster" tank, 3.3 gallons.

It looks just like the 2.2 gallon peanut on the 48, but it's wider and buys you over a gallon in fuel (and almost another 50 miles of range).

It's a good compromise between the standard peanut, which looks amazing but has tiny range, and the "Custom" Sportster tank which holds 4 gallons but looks dorky.

If you get some sort of luggage or a sissy bar, you can attach one of these - just in case:

https://www.amazon.com/MSR-MSRFUELBOTT-Fuel-Bottle/dp/B0015I0GE6?th=1&psc=1

You can count on having a little under 150 miles worth of usable range - a little over 2 hours between fuel stops. To be honest, I find stopping every 2 hours to stretch nice, but some people need the larger tank because they only want to stop every 3 hours or more.

Totally up to you how quick of a pace you want to keep up while touring, it really only takes 5 minutes to fuel up, so it's not THAT big of a deal.

If you prefer ultralight like me, then this setup works.

•Hammock (I use a Hennessy Hammock)

•A couple of spare fuel bottles such as the MSR ones MSR Fuel Bottle

•At least 3 liters of water strapped on somewhere. If its real hot then might want to strap on a camel back that way you can hydrate while you ride.

•A stash food in somewhere (Almonds are great for this)

•Tool kit, I wouldn't bother buying a tool kit. You should buy a pouch and tailor the tools you will need according to your bike, don't carry tools that won't even fit your bike.)

•Ditch cotton, its a horrible fabric for the outdoors. Go regular wool or if you don't like the "Itch" factor some complain about, then get merino wool.

There are more, I'll update later.

•Don't wear short sleeves whatever you do, it fatigues you more than you can imagine when your going off of a 1,000mile a day ride. If possible get a jacket that ventilates but also blocks to wind off you.

•Full Face, a must really. Too many advantages over a half shell and the like.... wind protection, decreased noise, and added protection in the case of a fall.

•Ear Plugs, Never 50+ miles without them.

•Not really a piece of gear, but a tip for when you are in a hotel. Ask for a room on the 1st floor and pull your bike up RIGHT NEXT to the door. Lock the wheel and take your gear off it. Probably the best way of making sure no one messes with your bike during the night.

•The best way to combat rain really is to get a waterproof top/bottom,water resistant boots, full face helmet, decent gloves.

There are a few things you can do. (Source: I have a bike with a small tank, only about 100 mi/160 km range, and was planning on taking some long trips before it died on me.)

• Something like this is a bit pricey by the time you install it over your passenger seat, but 5 gallons will take you a long way....
  
• The cheaper route is something like this 30 oz. MSR fuel bottle. That's fairly tiny — 30 oz. (probably American ones) ~= 887 mL ~= 0.2 gal Imp — but if you get, say, 40 mpg like my bike did (~35 mpUSgal), that's 8 miles, which is better than some alternatives. And you can always buy more than one.
  
• The even-cheaper route is to just buy a standard plastic jerry can that'll hold 1 or 2 gallons. But unless your bike has a good rack, securing it properly can be a bitch. And they're a tad more likely to leak.
  
  Have a great ride! I gotta get me a new bike....

I have a couple of these.

They don't hold a ton, but they are relatively cheap and stand up to abuse well.

No, buy one of these for the backpack/saddlebags/whatever

https://www.amazon.com/MSR-11832-Fuel-Bottle-30-Ounce/dp/B0015I0GE6

https://www.amazon.com/MSR-Liquid-Fuel-Bottle/dp/B0015I0GE6/

This little feller has saved me half a dozen times and stranded travelers on the side of the road at least twice as much. You've got no excuse with those saddle bags. Pick one up and fill it up for a buck and forget about it. Boy scout shops will have one for about the same price if you don't want to wait for shipping.

Purchases so far:

• Esbit stove. Haven't had a chance to use it yet.
  
  
• Solar 5 Battery/Charger First use last weekend. Really love it so far.
  
  
• LMF "Spork"
  
  On the to-buy list, I'm hoping to get into ultralight + hammock camping for the summer:
  
  
• Exos 48 Pack
  
  
• Hennessy Hammock Expedition
  
  Also do you guys have any recommendations for a warm-weather sleeping bag? I live in GA so past April, the lows only get into the 60-70 range on a "cold" night. I'm almost leaning towards Hammock + just a warm camp blanket. Any thoughts?

I don't know too much about that backpack, so I can't comment, but you should be able to pickup a pack in that price range if you're just getting started.

water

A lifestraw will work, but essencially you need to go source to mouth, so if you need water for anything but drinking (i.e. for cooking) I don't know if the lifestraw will be best. Sure you can suck in, spit out, but there is a better solution: the sawyer mini is about the same price point: http://www.amazon.com/Sawyer-Products-SP128-Filtration-System/dp/B00FA2RLX2/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1398890779&sr=8-1&keywords=sawyer+mini

meals

and that brings me to water for cooking. MREs are heavy, and while you won't be hiking far carrying that weight even for a short distance might not be the most fun (especially if you are saving money on your pack) - there a many commercially available freeze dried meals which are very light and you simply add boiling water to. Mountain house is the most common - http://www.amazon.com/MOUNTAIN-HOUSE-Beef-Stroganoff-4-80oz/dp/B0002YRNJK/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1398890892&sr=8-1&keywords=mountain+house

besides mountain house there is backpackers pantry (better IMO):
http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss_1?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=backpackers%20pantry&sprefix=backpacke%2Caps

and finally if you want to try some of the best I recommend packit gourmet:
http://www.packitgourmet.com/CookInBagMeals.html

clothes

wool is good because it keeps it's insulation warmth when wet. wool can be expensive though. If the weather is going to be good I'd recommend a couple quick drying shirts (which are pretty affordable)
http://www.amazon.com/Russell-Athletic-Sleeve-Dri-Power-3X-Large/dp/B00719Y8HO/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1398891200&sr=8-3&keywords=quick+dry+shirt

and be prepared to own the worlds best pair of underwear - buy two pair wear one, wash one in a river:
http://www.amazon.com/ExOfficio-Give-N-Go-Boxer-Brief-Medium/dp/B001M0MN02/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1398891283&sr=8-1&keywords=exofficio+boxer+briefs

tools

this is probably one of the first things that gets "over packed" what to you anticipate needing a tool for? On the hand saw if you will be collecting fire wood there is a very nice lightweight handsaw that is perfect for backpacking, the Sven Saw:
http://www.amazon.com/SVEN-SAW-Sven-Saw-21/dp/B002J900EQ/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1398891413&sr=8-1&keywords=sven+saw

cookware

on cookware it all depends on what you'll be cooking. on a budget I'd recommend this cup:
http://www.amazon.com/GSI-Outdoors-Glacier-Stainless-Bottle/dp/B001LF3IB6/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1398891523&sr=8-1&keywords=GSI+cup

and this stove:
http://www.amazon.com/Ultralight-Backpacking-Canister-Ignition-silvery/dp/B00ENDRORM/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1398891563&sr=8-1&keywords=backpacking+stove

with that you'll be able to boil water for your freeze dried meals, make ramen, and you can also make hot drinks like tea.

Use gloves? That's what I do. Single wall steel mug, a couple by GSI but then I found cheaper ones from walmart are the same thing... Half price, same weight and apparent quality. :(

Pack has worked well for me on small treks

This has been the best single item "mess kit" I've used so far

Pair the two with a 2L water bladder (fits in pack's water bladder pouch) and a wide mouthed nagalene bottle (the cup nestles on bottom!) And titanium (or non) spork and you're all set with bare essentials with good use.

Ample room for everything else. Buy a few straps and maybe a compression sack or two for extras (clothes...Etc)


Main issue might be the dimensions of your Chromebook. Managed to stash a 10 inch tablet and associated pieces, but that might be considerable smaller depending which make and model you've got.

I personally prefer this is as it weighs less and is fine mesh. I've had mine four years and it's still good as new. I clip it on my titanium mug.

I use this thing. GSI Outdoors Ultralight Java Drip https://www.amazon.com/dp/B001LF3ICU/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_-NNYBbJAMACME

It weighs nothing, takes a beating, and compresses to stick anywhere. Other than straining out the grounds it makes shitty coffee.

I have a GSI ultralight drip filter and it was only 10 bucks and works great. Sorry I’m mobile or would post the link but easy to find on amazon.

Edit: here ya go GSI Outdoors Ultralight Java Drip https://www.amazon.com/dp/B001LF3ICU/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_Oe8NBbA727VFY

GSI Outdoors Ultralight Java Drip https://www.amazon.com/dp/B001LF3ICU/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_-yfVAbB05FV1A

It makes weaker coffee though without using filter

I have this one and it works really well!

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001LF3ICU/

They said it clips to the cup, so I bet they were referring to this one, but both would work.

http://amzn.com/B001LF3ICU

I was thinking about this one.http://www.amazon.com/Esbit-Ultralight-Folding-Titanium-Tablets/dp/B002AQET2C/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1409165385&sr=8-3&keywords=esbit+stove

Stove: Check out this little guy: http://www.amazon.ca/Esbit-0-4-Ounce-Ultralight-Folding-Titanium/dp/B002AQET2C/ref=sr_1_7?s=sports&ie=UTF8&qid=1405465089&sr=1-7&keywords=esbit+stove

I just got one for myself. I got it because it has stands that you can put a water bottle on top of, and it weighs something hideous like 12 grams.
I know MEC has a little titanium hockey puck-sized stove you fill with alcohol. I decided to stick to solid fuel because it won't leak, it's compact, and you can replace it with stuff you find in the field in a pinch.
MEC also has a neat folding wood stove. It's a titanium hexagon with folding leaves. I thought about that but it's pricey.


Food: I don't know if 120 calories per gram is even possible. That might be calories per ounce.
I have a few clif bars and some bounce energy balls. They're about 4 calories per gram.
Don't stress too much about about energy density. I'd say as long as it's in that neighbourhood and it will last a year, put it in. I was even considering a wheel of preserved brie and some crackers to class it up a bit, but realized it might not do so well in the hot trunk of a car.

Water: Every thread here that mentions the LifeStraw has at least one person chime in and say a Sawyer mini filter will do a better job for less. I have experience with neither, but I've got a Sawyer on the way from Amazon.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B002AQET2C/ref=mp_s_a_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1511804627&sr=8-4&pi=AC_SX236_SY340_QL65&keywords=esbit+stove&dpPl=1&dpID=41iUVhh2HwL&ref=plSrch

I use one of these and love it.

http://www.amazon.com/CMMG-Tactical-Cooked-Bacon-9-Ounce/dp/B003RC5FQ2

Who is going to buy some, and win the game of life?

http://www.amazon.com/CMMG-Tactical-Cooked-Bacon-9-Ounce/dp/B003RC5FQ2

There's always Amazon.

Pork crackling is also lightweight AND delicious.

http://www.baconfreak.com/yonders-canned-bacon.html

https://www.amazon.ca/CMMG-Tactical-Cooked-Bacon-9-Ounce/dp/B003RC5FQ2

Tactical Bacon?

Bacon Explosion?

I've had both...

Well, Tactical Bacon is supposed to be outstanding.

http://www.amazon.com/CMMG-Tactical-Cooked-Bacon-9-Ounce/dp/B003RC5FQ2

Tactical Bacon

Troy & Abed in the Morning Mug

The best part of waking up..

Nope, I got it from the NBC store. But you can get it on Amazon. I added one to my own wishlist to remind myself to get myself a new one when I can xD Link!

Definitely this. Although I'm obsessed with Community, I guess it is kind of unnecessary. But it is funny and awesome :)

To be fair, you did buy the "Troy and Abed in the Morning" mug (http://www.amazon.com/Community-Troy-and-Abed-Mug/dp/B003SXGN7K) soooooo that makes sense.

;)

I hope this is right :)

• $0-5 -Calbee Shrimp Flavored Chips (Surprisingly delicious)
  
  
• $5-10 Watchmen Blu-Ray (One of the best movies to get your Blu-Ray collection started)
  
  
• $10-20 Community Troy and Abed Mug (Awesome Merch for the Community Fan)
  
  
• $20-50 Scott Pilgrim's Precious Little Boxset (The boxset of the AWESOME Scott Pilgrim series)

My husband asked for a Jet Boil so he can heat water while in the field. (Military.) It was on sale at Amazon for $63 so done and done! I also got him an ON puffer vest since I absolutely love mine. :D

Edit: it's $60 now.

A 10 pack of astronaut ice cream

As mentioned above. Try out local camping/outdoors sections of nearby sporting goods stores.

Or you can get it from Amazon, with Prime shipping even! Heck, you could set up an automatic recurring order to have it delivered to your house ever month!

While we're talking about things you can buy in bulk from Amazon, how about bulk cereal marshmallows? http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00FC9UPVI/

Astronaut Ice Cream?

Gotta Have Astronaut Ice Cream

I don't know how messy they can get, but if you do some lime jello in ice cube trays with a string through the middle you can have them try to eat it in "Zero Gravity" like the astronauts do.

Get yourself space themed cookie cutters and you can turn anything into something space themed. Sandwiches, do something "different" like cucumber and pimento cut into whatever shape. Beef Jerky is popular on shuttles and the ISS. Fruits that can be stored at room temp are popular as well.

Hope that gives you somewhere to start.

Not if it is Freeze Dried

Can't go camping without it!

The cooking list is mostly my wife's, but we'd both like a new cookbook to try things out of.

nomalicious

You also want a propane bottle-top stove and a coffee can for boiling water for coffee/tea/ramen. http://www.amazon.com/Coleman-2000004124-PefectFlow-1-Burner-Stove/dp/B0009PUR5E/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1405985344&sr=8-3&keywords=propane+camping+burners

It'll fit in your saddlebag easy, and will make mornings a LOT easier.

Get a small propane cooker. They're cheap and heat water quickly, also good for cooking... whatever. Just be sure to crack a window or use it outside. Something like this:

http://www.amazon.com/Coleman-2000004124-PefectFlow-1-Burner-Stove/dp/B0009PUR5E/ref=sr_1_7?ie=UTF8&qid=1398189942&sr=8-7&keywords=propane

You could use the campfire, or you can use one of these too: http://www.amazon.com/Coleman-2000004124-PefectFlow-1-Burner-Stove/dp/B0009PUR5E/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1394047763&sr=8-1&keywords=coleman+single+burner


As for best quicklights, most people will tend to agree that 3 Kings are the best Ql's

If I am at home I use the electric range (Coco coals of course) but when We go camping I take alone a Coleman single burner such as...(http://www.amazon.com/Coleman-2000004124-PefectFlow-1-Burner-Stove/dp/B0009PUR5E)

Works great with some chicken wire around a square wood frame. I like it because I don't have to mind the coal constantly. Without the frame the coal can fall down by the burner and get it all dirty. Plus when your done, just remove the frame and you have a cooking stove.

Here's the link for the propane bottle on Amazon: https://www.amazon.ca/Coleman-Bottle-Top-Propane-Stove/dp/B0009PUR5E/ref=asc_df_B0009PUR5E/?tag=googlemobshop-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=292995138886&hvpos=1o2&hvnetw=g&hvrand=8925329916291428209&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=m&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9001395&hvtargid=pla-382956361640&psc=1#

So... as a soylent consumer (I replace 1-2 meals per day with it), I would like to warn you about the awesome fiber and poop that it has. Not a big issue if you are camping at a place with a toilet... not so idea during a rain storm in a parking lot.

Another option is to carry some canned goods given that weight isn't as much of an issue. Canned soups and the like have a similar price to calorie and for most people will taste a lot better. If you want to splurge, a tub of mountain house freeze dried food would be lighter and taste pretty good. And on the cheap side, rice and beans is simple and filling.

For stove, depending on which type of canisters you want to deal with, there are some cheap stove options such as 1 and 2

Propane torch*
And it is something like this. I think if you only cared about the sear, a searzall propone torch attachment would be better, but I do a lot of my general cast iron cooking outside now, to avoid the smoke in the house as I don't have a fume hood style kitchen.

It would be similar to a gas style stove top, though I get more flames out of it I think.

Coleman Bottle Top Propane Stove https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0009PUR5E/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_EK4xzbJ426JWH

I have a Byer Moskito Traveller hammock, the mosquito net is a bit fragile and it's not as feature-packed as a Hennessy, but I lived in it for a month on a road trip and it was pretty nice. I also have a Marmot Limelight 3 tent that's pretty nice, though the rain fly condensates like crazy. A lot of my friends have REI tents they swear by.

Unless you're doing alpine stuff or big walls or other weight-conscious climbing, one of the single-burner Coleman stoves that screws on top of a propane tank is probably all you need. I have a Snowpeak Gigapower stove, and it's nice to have something so small for those one or two times I've really needed it, but most of the time the expensive fuel is a waste.

If you want to go small and light, I like my Big Agnes Insulated Air Core ground pad because it packs down smaller than a Nalgene, though it's a bit of a pain to inflate, so if you're moving around a lot it could be more work than you want to do. Even on a long, mobile climbing trip I'll usually only inflate it once a week or so, so I don't mind. A few friends have Therm-A-Rest and REI self-inflating ground pads in the 1.75" range that they're quite happy with.

I'm a fan of the Mountain Hardwear Pinole sleeping bag, it's pretty cheap, packs fairly small for a synthetic bag, and is rather toasty. I don't usually feel like dealing with down, so I can't speak to many of those bags.

This toatser has a setting for frozen bagels and that makes it my favorite. I love love keeping my bagels in the freezer because they last for so much longer. I buy a dozen at Panera, freeze them, and then have fresh tasting bagels every morning for weeks.

I love this "Now Showing" wall plaque for movie buffs. And I also love the home theatre sign!

I guess if I won this, and since rule 3 states to choose something, I would really, really want this $20 Coleman propane burner for camping.

Can you think of any reason why this would not work with creating starters? I'm trying to think of a way to safely support a 5L flask on their too. It looks like it would balance well enough

Edit: Actually, I may go this route instead...looks like it would balance better. Or this

Maybe this

You could get something like this. Easy to store and you can get the tanks for pretty cheap. Just make sure you get a strong mesh that won't melt from the heat to rest the coals on.

Jesus, that's rough. There's no way you can have a pocket sized portable camp stove like this:

https://www.amazon.com/MSR-11792-PocketRocket-Stove/dp/B000A8C5QE

Fuel canisters are $5-7 depending where you are, and there's barely an open flame.

Hi guys, I'm looking to purchase a new back packing stove...I'm debating between an MSR pocket rocket: https://www.amazon.com/MSR-11792-PocketRocket-Stove/dp/B000A8C5QE/ref=sr_1_2?s=outdoor-recreation&ie=UTF8&qid=1468872725&sr=1-2&keywords=backpacking+stove

A etek city ultra light:https://www.amazon.com/Etekcity-Ultralight-Portable-Backpacking-Ignition/dp/B00B4FY8YO/ref=sr_1_1?s=outdoor-recreation&ie=UTF8&qid=1468872725&sr=1-1&keywords=backpacking+stove

And this other Etekcity one: https://www.amazon.com/Etekcity-Portable-Collapsible-Windproof-Backpacking/dp/B00Q6QT99A/ref=dp_ob_title_sports

Thoughts? Any stoves you would suggest? I like gas stoves, but if you can convince me to buy one that runs off of liquid fuel, I'm all for it!

I'll remember that for next time. I've already packed it all away, but I might drag it out and take some pics. My foot is pretty banged up so it'll be a minute. But Ill give you a short list :)

Pack: Osprey Exos 58

Sleeping Bag: Teton Sports Tracker

Tent: ALPS Mountaineering Lynx 1

Tarp: Ultimate Survival Hex tarp

Mess kit: Mess kit and Mug

Water Filtration: Sawyer Mini

Tools/Defense: Note: Normally I would only take one knife, but I wasn't sure which I would prefer as they're two quite different blades. Ka-Bar Becker BK2, Condor Bushlore, and Bear Spray

Stove: MSR PocketRocket

First Aid: I had the Adventure Medical Kits Day Tripper, and then added to that with Celox and an Israeli Bandage

Trekking Poles: Cascade Mountain Tech CF with Cork Grips

In addition I had a few little things in a small kit; Ferro rod, duct tape, trail blazes, chemical water purifiers in case my Sawyer failed, bug spray, a small thing of sunscreen (which I didn't end up needing as it was overcast), deodorant, TP, etc.

How do people feel about the jetboil compared to say the MSR PocketRocket or snow peak?

I would reccomend the GSI Soloist pot over the Jet boil and with that a MSR Pocket Rocket, but thats just my personal preference.

This is the liner that I use but I would look more into other liners, just to see if theres anything you would prefer more. I only used the liner like a dozen times at most, so its not a necessity.

Hey!

Welcome to prepping and congratulations on taking the first steps!

I will say, a lot of food goes bad pretty quick. Remember to rotate that stuff.

Alternatively, you can get mountain house or another brand of long term storage food and a little camping stove, and then you dont have to worry about it going bad, and if you don't need it for like 10 years it will still be here.

The stoves and their fuel cans are popular for camping, but work great for cooking when the powers out too, and in a situation where its pretty cold, they can warm up a small room pretty well.

Here are some links

https://www.amazon.com/Mountain-House-Just-Case-Hour/dp/B001OPLW20

https://www.amazon.com/MSR-11774-Dragonfly-Stove/dp/B000BBGQ7O/ref=sr_1_2?s=sporting-goods&ie=UTF8&qid=1500006032&sr=1-2&keywords=msr+stove

https://www.amazon.com/MSR-11792-PocketRocket-Stove/dp/B000A8C5QE/ref=sr_1_1?s=sporting-goods&ie=UTF8&qid=1500006032&sr=1-1&keywords=msr+stove

Most of that stuff can also be bought locally at REI or Bass Pro Shop or the like.

Good job on the water.

I picked up a Pocket Rocket last year and its pretty solid if you dont mind carrying around fuel. I have a Dualist cook set that this folds up and fits inside of to save some space. The fuel canisters for it are small enough where I'm not worried about it taking up much room in my pack or adding to the weight I carry.

> Just get a small camp stove like this.

Looking at your link, now I'm a bit confused. Isn't this also a compressed gas canister just the same as the ones I posted? What's the difference? How would this be any safer than the former?

I use the MSR Pocket Rocket. I've had it for several years and it can take one hell of a beating. If the temperature gets around freezing you'll have to sleep with the fuel can to keep it warm, though.

I personally use Mountain House- just tastes the best to me. An easy alternative is to walk down the ethnic food isle at your grocery store and look for boil-and-pour simple meals (rice/pasta dishes particularly). Instant mashed potatoes are good too. The tradeoff is for the non-backpacking meals you usually have to use a dish to make the food, which is something you'll have to clean up and hang with the rest of your kitchen supplies.

OP, toss one of these in your bag.

I've had four of these for years and they are great for camping, lunches at work, or just digging in to takeaway curry.


Mmmm, curry.

need to get a sponsorship with Snow Peak so you can give people incredibly durable useful utensils

I've got both of these. Both are great.

http://www.amazon.com/Light-My-Fire-Titanium-Spork/dp/B001E7S5BO/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1381935479&sr=8-1&keywords=titanium+spork

http://www.amazon.com/Snow-Peak-cutlery-Spork-titanium/dp/B000AR2N76/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1381935479&sr=8-4&keywords=titanium+spork

Kind of running a hybrid mashup of stuff.

Base is a GSI Halulite Microdualist and a Halulite Minimalist II and Snowpeak Sporks. I make a lot of my own jerky and backpacking food at this point (Cabela's Commercial dehydrator FTW). Hell of a lot cheaper than even buying bulk mountainhouse stuff. Plus I get more variety and better flavor. Backpacking Chef has some great resources for getting started.

Trangia Burner

These suckers are indestructible and hold the fuel you don't use in the stove without it evaporating.

I like these a bit better for this. You can build one out of a soda can too. My thought here is that you can run it on bottles of yellow HEET (fuel line defroster) which you can get at any gas station, hardware store or grocery store. For someone living on the streets it's a bit easier to get a hold of than a canister of fuel for a stove.

You can also buy alcohol stoves that are pre-made, and they’re cheaper to get fuel for and you don’t end up carrying an empty fuel canister around.


amazon

trail designs

What about a Trangia stove?

You could even make a coke can stove. I have one and it works well. The only criticisms I have of it is that you have to guess how much alcohol to use in it and there's no way to control the temperature. Minor complaints though, especially since it's made from two recycled coke cans.

They use methylated spirits. Pretty easy to use. Really lightweight, even with the fuel.

> Fancy Feast stove

That's what Andrew Skurka uses. He says that he has tried various other builds, but none of them saved him enough fuel (vs the FF stove) to be worth the bother.

Personally, I like my Trangia, but I'm not an ultra-lighter. It's still pretty damn light, though, and very strong, since it's made of brass.

2. Keep all of your valuables (electronics, passport, wallet, etc.) in an easy-to-remove bag. I use a small ulock and try to lock my frame to something and then run a small cable lock through the handles of panniers. My wheels have anti-theft bolts on them, so they're not easy to steal. Keep in mind that most theaves are opportunists and want something quick and easy--so don't make your bike quick and easy. For grocery stores: some stores will let you roll your bike into the entrance area or leave it leaning near the cash register.
   
   
3. Personally, I like a warm meal / coffee especially when the weather is wet. If you're on the fence, I'd suggest buying a Trangia alcohol stove ($20!) and you can always ditch it if you're not using it. I use it in conjunction with the Vargo Hexagon Wood Stove but you can get a smaller/lighter pot holder. The stove is light, runs silently and the fuel is cheap and easy to find.
   
   
4. This time of year is a good time to get apparel on sale. Check out brands like Pearl Izumi or the house-brand at Mountain Equipment Co-op (if you're Canadian.) For touring you can usually skip a proper jersey and instead do a merino t-shirt, you don't really need the pockets since you've got bags with you.

For cooking issues in a real crisis, I made one of these burns very little wood, small sticks/twigs/woodchips. I made mine out of an old computer case, but any sturdy sheet metal will do. I also have a trangia which runs on alcohol. And a dutch oven which can be used over a campfire or buried with coals. For home heat, I have built a rocket mass heater before, they work great and stay warm long after the fire is out, but I rent now, so I have a small woodstove I can quickly hook up to the chimney if need be. Not that you asked about any of that =]

Actually, a wide-mouth stainless steel bottle is more practical. It can serve as a drinking container as well as something to boil water with. You can get a fish mouth spreader to hang it over a fire and a cup/pot that will "nest" over it. Or you can rig up something to hold up the bottle so you can run an alcohol stove under it.

Here's a pre-assembled bottle cooking kit:

http://www.thepathfinderstore.com/the-ultimate-bottle-cooking-set-gen2/

Here's the most widely used alcohol stove (you can make your own too, if you've good the tools handy, but if you don't have the tools it's smarter to just buy one):

http://www.amazon.com/Trangia-Spirit-Burner-with-Screwcap/dp/B000AR7970

Oven. I'll definitely have some sort of a cooktop, even if I keep the big fridge.

Thank you so much for all the info. There are two places near me that sell reclaimed building materials that I want to get as much as I can from and build this myself. Even so I was assuming that this will cost a lot so I wanted to be over prepared. Your build list has helped to put things in perspective.

I found a propane oven/stove combo that is a little pricey, but I'll be using it on the regular so it should be worth it. www.amazon.com/dp/B0013LLSZG/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_h4n4xb2Y0XYKH

Btw your link goes to a deleted post.

what about something like this?

https://www.amazon.com/Camp-Chef-Camping-Outdoor-Burner/dp/B0013LLSZG/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1549387090&sr=8-3&keywords=gas+camping+oven

Put a cast iron dutch oven in it?

maybe something like this will do then:
http://www.amazon.com/Camp-Chef-Camping-Outdoor-Burner/dp/B0013LLSZG/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1457038948&sr=8-1&keywords=small+gas+oven

I have one of these: https://www.amazon.com/Camp-Chef-Camping-Outdoor-Burner/dp/B0013LLSZG/ref=sr_1_9?keywords=coleman+oven+grill&qid=1557775283&s=gateway&sr=8-9

And one of these:

https://www.amazon.com/Proctor-Silex-34103-Fifth-Burner/dp/B073R9TCP3/ref=sxin_2_ac_d_pm?keywords=hot+plate&pd_rd_i=B073R9TCP3&pd_rd_r=4ee7b29a-7cfd-46b2-86cc-e1a18755718f&pd_rd_w=zlJR8&pd_rd_wg=YxhxO&pf_rd_p=5cc8abfe-8f78-4f34-b19f-d09d6ea0dca4&pf_rd_r=P99QWN38FYTV01DEXED0&qid=1557775321&s=gateway

plus one of these:

https://www.amazon.com/GS-1000-Portable-Automatic-Ignition-Carrying/dp/B01MYGMO6M/ref=sr_1_3?crid=1VPXER597IZZ1&keywords=butane+stove&qid=1557775343&s=gateway&sprefix=butane+%2Caps%2C210&sr=8-3

To be used at any time. I also have a propane griddle and a sous vide. They may or may not travel with me, depending on a lot, but that's what I use.

Seen this one yet?? It's not full sized, but just sharing an option I've had in my list for a years. Just don't think I need an oven enough to justify it.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0013LLSZG

My grandma has one of these and absolutely loves it. Uses it all the time, combines burners with the ability to bake things.

http://www.amazon.com/Camp-Chef-Camping-Outdoor-Burner/dp/B0013LLSZG/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top

I probably wont be doing much until the weather warms up and I can afford to deck it out. My plans are to get a Fantastic fan, some solar panels, batteries and wire it all up. After that I am thinking of mounting a propane tank underneath where one of the fuel tanks was as well as a fresh water tank. It will have a very small kitchenette with a propane powered stove with oven. Not sure if I will go with a minifridge or just use a cooler. Also there will be a toilet. Sounds like a lot to cram in there once I write it all down, but I think it will be great. Keep an eye on the sub, Ill definitely post pictures when I do make progress.

I will say though that if you don't want the stove a propane burner is cheap at around $50. Also there is a commercial version that is a little smaller than what I built for $225 on Amazon.

http://www.amazon.com/Camp-Chef-Camping-Outdoor-Burner/dp/B0013LLSZG

The Camp Chef easy bake oven? We got it as a gift but it’s just too big to carry. If i had a trailer that would be a different story. Camp Chef Camping Outdoor Oven with 2 Burner Camping Stove https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0013LLSZG/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_9FZaBb510291N

I'm looking at this [oven](https://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B0013LLSZG/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&psc=1&linkCode=sl1&tag=just015f-20&linkId=5d06b42f999620646db0fdf39389dadf) on Amazon as a potential option. Would it be safe in a oven and what kind of precautions should I take? Are there better options? Cooking in an oven is important to me as I enjoy cooking and baking.

https://www.amazon.com/MSR-Liquid-Fuel-Bottle-30-Ounce/dp/B0015I0GE6/ref=mp_s_a_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1540218512&sr=8-3&pi=AC_SX236_SY340_QL65&keywords=white+fuel+bottle&dpPl=1&dpID=41xkfbeRMIL&ref=plSrch something like this for the fuel. And I seen alot of stoves just cliped to the outside of the pace with a carabiner

Personally, I just grabbed a 30 Oz MSR bottle. I would be actively searching for stations with ~25 miles left in my tank, and I figured this would be enough to limp me along if I ever cut it way too close. It's also very easy to pack.

You have clearly planned your trip much more than I did, considering I decided about 30 minutes before I left with no clear route, so I think it would be pretty easy to figure out available gas stations given your route.

I knew if it didn't work this time I was going to be stranded, but that was because I was specifically running it to reserve. Normally I fill up after 100 miles just to be on the safe side. For now, I think I'm going to order to MSR bottles and mount them inside a couple of waterproof manual canisters that will fit 30oz MSRs.

MSR bottles: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0015I0GE6/ref=ox_sc_act_title_2?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER

Containers: http://www.agrisupply.com/manual-canister-large-with-neoprene-seal/p/67670/

You can also get an Esbit version. They're nice because they can hold a fair bit of fuel in a pretty small package. It comes with a screw top and an O-ring, so you can fill it with fuel, put it out, and seal it back up with no wasted fuel. They're also lightweight, and you can use over the counter rubbing alcohol for fuel - although the BTUs on that sort of stuff might be inferior to other fuels. I don't know.

The only thing I WILL say about them, though, is that I'd recommend keeping it relatively warm in colder weather. I've found that my alcohol stove simply refuses to start if its too cold, and so the last time I went out I kept it in my sleeping bag with me while I slept, and it fired up without much trouble in the morning.

Also would recommend some sort of windscreen, just in case. Esbit does also make another UL stove that uses their fuel tablets, which the alcohol stove can fit into (but getting it lit requires a little extra effort either getting it into the slots, or lighting it while its in the slots).

Of course, there's also always these guys also by Esbit, which you can store the fuel cells in when its folded. The only thing I don't like about them (which take with a giant grain of salt, because I'm 100% an amateur to all of this) is that you're limited with the fuel cell and the length of burn. You don't end up wasting any excess fuel with the alcohol stove. Also, you do get the added benefit, if you're using rubbing alcohol for fuel, of having an antiseptic available in a pinch.

Finally, an option to keep the whole package on the small end, you have these little guys as pot stands. They work great to keep my pot elevated off the stove, but I will say that they do seem to get in the way of the burn a bit and inhibit some of the airflow, but not enough to be a huge issue. They fit into the Esbit alcohol stove perfectly, but again, you might be better off with something that lifts the pot up a bit more for a better burn. I think they're designed to be used with the their own brand of alcohol stove, though, so that's probably why they don't work great.

I have this mini, portable stove on my WL.

So you could do the chopping, and I could do the cooking?

Here is from the budget backpacker:

Stove: esbit is 6.3 oz with 6 fuel cubes (weight includes fuel) for <$11.00: http://www.amazon.com/Esbit-Ultralight-Folding-Pocket-Tablets/dp/B001C1UGVO/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1462135828&sr=8-1&keywords=esbit+stove

Pot: GSI stainless weighs 5 oz for <$10.50 http://www.amazon.com/GSI-Outdoors-Glacier-Stainless-Bottle/dp/B001LF3IB6/ref=sr_1_6?ie=UTF8&qid=1453225574&sr=8-6&keywords=backpacking+pot

Utensil: I use a standard aluminum fork and spoon because they weigh less than an ounce each, but you can also look at this:

Toaks titanium spork weighs 0.6 oz for <$9.00 http://www.amazon.com/TOAKS-SLV-01-Titanium-Spork/dp/B009AO19MK/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1462136083&sr=8-1&keywords=toaks+titanium+spork

Once again, not 100% ultralight, but pretty light weight and a good starting place for a beginner.

Anybody can understand that. It wasn't what I said. Read what I actually wrote. I am speaking specifically about THIS POST. OP in THIS POST spent at least $10 on these supplies. Yes, many people have these things and can make one for cheap or free even. No one is arguing that. What I was saying is that even if you can build one of these for $1-2 and another $1-2 on fuel, they are still half way to the cost of a real lightweight stove that will work in all conditions and last a long time and actually work repeatedly and as expected.

For a fun/novel thing to do, there is nothing wrong with it. If you would rather have this than even an esbit tablet (which would still cost less than this stove + fuel and be lighter and not make a mess and work in almost all conditions), then that is your choice. I wouldn't and I have made many makeshift stoves and gear of all sorts. Sometimes it makes sense and sometimes it doesn't. This is onetime that it is a false economy.

Edit: For anyone that wants to see what I am talking about, at even a bit of a high price on Amazon you can get six Esbit tabs and the stove for $10, which is about $1 per use and not far off what an alcohol stove will cost to run. One tab also will actually boil water in most circumstances in 8 minutes or less: https://www.amazon.com/Esbit-Ultralight-Folding-Pocket-Tablets/dp/B001C1UGVO/

Usually I eat at the camp site or close to it. But in case I want a cup of tea/coffee I carry an [Esbit Stove] (https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B001C1UGVO/ref=mp_s_a_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1481712503&sr=8-2&pi=SX200_QL40&keywords=Esbit&dpPl=1&dpID=31ZdIVkJyJL&ref=plSrch)

It packs small, costs nearly nothing and is capable to heat an occasional can of food as well

Edit: formatting

How long would one of those little 8ounce gas cans last for?

Also, whats the benefit to gas cans vs solid fuel like this

Then go with the MSR Whisperlite that /u/gcranston recommends. However, it doesn't use ISO-Butane as suggested. It uses white gas. It is very easy to get a hold of here in the US. I have had one for almost 20 years and it still works wonderfully.

You have to purchase the bottle separately, but they aren't that expensive. Just make sure that you use a windscreen. It improves the cooking time significantly. You can easily make one.

I've used the Esbit (http://amzn.com/B001C1UGVO) stoves before too and they work. They don't work super fast, but if you are cooking something for one, you can't really get any cheaper. If you are only cooking for yourself or just heating things up, these little stoves work well. Every time I have used one, I have had people tell me that it will never work, how silly I look with them and how cheap I am, but they are small and cheap. Again, you need a windscreen for these to work.

I use my MSR PR with the GSI Cup. Its straight forward, inexpensive and fits to the bottom of your Nalgene water bottle.

Day One I'll have about 35 lbs (15.45 kg) of weight. This is my first time so there are probably several items in there I'll never take with me again, but I'd like to try 'em out once; I also have a shit sleeping bag that desperately needs upgraded. If you want specs, just ask and I'll happily share my spreadsheet!

Edit: The List

The Gear

• Jansport Katahdin 50L
  
• Northstar Tactical Operations Sleeping Bag
  
• Hennessy Explorer Deluxe w/ Hex Fly, Snakeskin, HH2O
  
• New Balance Hiking Boots
  
• Vibram Spyridons
  
• Playpus Big Zip Bladder, 3L
  
• Sawyer 3-Way Inline Water Filter
  
• Rain Suit
  
• Dr. Bronner's Peppermint Soap
  
• All Terrain Herbal Armor Bug Spray
  
• Wigwam Merino Wool Socks x2 pair
  
• GSI Outdoors Glacier Stainless Pot/Cup
  
• Outdoor Products Dry Sacks
  
• Energizer 3-LED Headlamp
  
• Lifeline 85-Piece First Aid Kit
  
• 100', 550lb Paracord
  
• Extra Rope
  
• Heavy Duty Trash Bag (as liner; 2 extra)
  
• Couple Books: The Tolkien Reader, J.R.R. Tolkien and Smith of Wootton Major and Farmer Giles of Ham, J.R.R. Tolkien
  
• Cell Phone
  
• Camera
  
• Flashlight
  
• Map
  
• Watertight, hard-shelled container (for electronics/map)
  
• Pocket Knife
  
• Fixed-Blade Knife
  
• Toilet Paper
  
• Stove & Fuel
  
• Hand Sanitizer
  
• Extra pair of underpants
  
• Extra shirt
  
• Several scattered lighters
  
• 2L of water (possibly less depending on availability of water)
  
• Plastic Water bottle (for mixes)
  
• Wash Cloth
  
  The Food
  
  
• Chocolate Chip and Coffee Biscotti (too delicious not to bring)
  
• Backpacker's Pantry, Beans and Rice
  
• Mountain House, Rice and Chicken
  
• Ramen Noodles
  
• Trail Mix
  
• Peanuts
  
• Country Time Lemonade Packets
  
• Snickers Bars
  
• Folgers Instant Coffee
  
• Chocolate Covered Raisins
  
• Tuna Packets
  
• Wraps
  
• Protein Bars
  
• Peanut Butter Crackers
  
• Gushers
  
• Mac & Cheese
  
• Summer Sausage
  
• Nutri-Grain Bars
  
• Hot Cocoa

Pot and Nalgene

Third party, you can find it here...

[GSI Outdoors](http://www.GSI.com/ Outdoors Glacier Stainless Bottle Cup/Pot https://www.amazon.com/dp/B001LF3IB6/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_sxRTAbWMVKP5S)

Car camping with the fam, I bring a French press. For backpacking, I've got one of these little drip filters that clip on to a cup. Too notch and it weighs practically nothing.GSI Outdoors Ultralight Java Drip https://www.amazon.com/dp/B001LF3ICU/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_alPYBbVMBECRM

https://www.amazon.com/GSI-Outdoors-Ultralight-Java-Drip/dp/B001LF3ICU/ref=asc_df_B001LF3ICU/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=194852051030&hvpos=1o3&hvnetw=g&hvrand=12237604162458949391&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=m&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=1025658&hvtargid=pla-368658970447&psc=1

here it is

I use an aeropress every day at home and until recently had a little portable mesh drip thing I could clip on top of my coffee mug and make myself a pour-over.

Now I use the french press adapter for my jetboil and it works great.

I love that little guy for hiking or biking. When he's paired with a collapsible shotglass and tiny stove my coffee on-the-go setup packs up to the size of the aeropress.

I'll go ahead and do the math for you.

Toaks 550 pot $30: http://www.amazon.com/TOAKS-Titanium-550ml-Pot/dp/B00CYA26BU/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1421708767&sr=8-1&keywords=toaks+550

Esbit stove $13.91: http://www.amazon.com/Esbit-Ultralight-Folding-Titanium-Tablets/dp/B002AQET2C/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1421708767&sr=8-2&keywords=toaks+550

Toaks spork $11: http://www.amazon.com/TOAKS-Titanium-Folding-Spork/dp/B00GLD8SYA/ref=sr_1_cc_2?s=aps&ie=UTF8&qid=1421708837&sr=1-2-catcorr&keywords=toaks+spork

Toaks windscreen $10.95: http://toaksoutdoor.com/windscreen.aspx

GRAND TOTAL WITHOUT SHIPPING: $65.86

SAVINGS: $65.86 - $48.99 = $16.87

Now let me ask you this. Would you be willing to light $16.87 on fire? If not, you do see the value here.

Two ain't so bad!


12.27 in my general wishlist, linked to the right one...pretty sure.


1.00 in under $5, it's cheaper than the default, but not the default, but I'm sure I linked it right.

Three's a crowd!

5.49 in food

6.89 in default wishlist, not cheapest but I think I linked the exact one.

.99 Whisper to a dream MP3, in mp3 wishlist

Hopefully, no crazy price swings! And thanks for all the gifting, this socking,y took less time than damnyoureloud's contest!

I may edit if I can find that one perfect gift?

I just purchased one of these little guys for $5 at a Sportsman's Warehouse in WY last week.

I tried two of the Coghlan's tablets (2@7g=14g) and it just made it to boiling. Haven't tried esbit yet, it may be worth the higher price.

I tried 14g of alcohol in a few of my diy stoves and they didn't even come close to a boil.

To me, that says solid is the UL choice.

This little stove is pretty amazing, yet simple. It's folding arms hold my 700ml Ti cup rock solid and the distance from the burner to the cup is perfect. At $5 and 14g, plus 14g/boil you can't go wrong.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B002AQET2C?pc_redir=1397188849&robot_redir=1

Thoughts on the esbit stove? I see it on a lot of the extreme light base weight lighterpacks.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002AQET2C/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o04_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Was $15 yesterday, weighs 0.4oz and the fuel cubes weigh 0.5oz and are also useful for fire starting. Cubes last ~12 minutes. "One tablet boils 500 ml of water in about 8 minutes "

The MRS small size gas canisters are like 7.5oz.. so this is a considerable drop in weight and space in the pack for shorter trips. Also, seems like fewer parts to break.

Negatives would be.. Im thinking you cant put a cube out once started.. cant adjust flame.

I use the stuff sack my toaks pot came with, so the residue is contained.

This is the one I bought: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002AQET2C/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

My stove is only .4 oz (11.5g)

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002AQET2C?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o09_s01

I'm guessing it's tactical bacon
https://www.amazon.com/CMMG-Tactical-Cooked-Bacon-9-Ounce/dp/B003RC5FQ2

I live in Ireland and these are common but it’s these that I was shocked about https://www.amazon.com/CMMG-Tactical-Cooked-Bacon-9-Ounce/dp/B003RC5FQ2

Tactical Bacon

Could order this http://www.amazon.com/CMMG-Tactical-Cooked-Bacon-9-Ounce/dp/B003RC5FQ2

A drone should be able to deliver it today considering this "blizzard" isn't a blizzard.

Tactical fucking bacon, of course.

Black, clearly.Ever had tactical bacon though?

I recommend getting some Tac-Bac. Amazon is a little over priced but if you have any surplus stores or gun shops near you they probably have it. It's all precooked, just open the can and go to town. If you want it warm then microwave it.

Yes, I've stocked up a few of these, why? ... for the Zombie Apocalypse of course!

Tactical Bacon.

He just has to find an Amazon distribution center. It may also be sold in some camping supply stores.

You know that might make a good episode. The search for bacon.

how about a bacon air freshener

Tactical bacon in case of zombie appocalypse

keep his feet warm n crispy?

Or make it so all he hears is the sweet, sweet sizzle

Because bacon is meat candy.

I'm more interested in tactical bacon. http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B003RC5FQ2?vs=1

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Lady, you're getting pretty buttsy lately, standing up, speaking out, and throwing around your vocab like you own the place.

Buttsy (adj.) - butt-sie - Someone who's got a lot of guts, some moxxy, and some passion.

I'm a butt, he's a butt, she's a butt, we're all butts, hey!

Here's a Troy and Abed mug, because Troy likes butt stuff. :p

Thanks for the contest!!

ordered it!! it's on its way! amazon link

I really really want it!

Science/Gardens: Because bugs

Writing: Because they are food like and cute

Movie: Its a classic

Book: Cuz its John Green

Spirituality: It smells nice

Art Supplies: I love deco paint pens

Math: Because they talk about science and math stuffs

Travel: Because you always need one

Food: You need to live out your childhood dreams sometimes

Nature/outdoors: Because Nature can be scary and filled with "Nope"

Fun stuff:

• If your not already watching you should be
  
• Its good to have something to do with friends

link for the lazy. Here it is on Amazon

https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/aw/d/B004UVPDUM/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1522590675&sr=8-1&pi=AC_SX236_SY340_FMwebp_QL65&keywords=jet+boil&dpPl=1&dpID=41uX9ri7HkL&ref=plSrch

test https://amazon.com/gp/product/B004UVPDUM/

Link to the Stanley Compact Cookset and the Camp Cookset , looks rather nice.

I'm generally a fan of the jetboil though...

Stanley cook set, DZO cup , gsi cup , snowpeak life max stove , jetboil canister holder , Keith ti spork . MSR fuel, lighter, small bottle, and micro fiber rag were found at either REI or Walmart.

I have this, and the 4oz tank and stove pack perfectly into it if you take the cups out. Pretty much any cookset of the same form factor should work as well. Optimus Terra, the Esbit set, etc.

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B005188T90/ref=gl_it_dp_o_pd_nS_ttl?_encoding=UTF8&colid=I0MRPGUG5HSP&coliid=I25X27QEKXLUNF&psc=1

Damn, that looks great, but man $80 is just outrageous. I just bought this recently. The seal is decent, I probably wouldn't trust liquid in it, but dry food would be ok.
http://www.amazon.com/Stanley-Adventure-Camp-Stainless-Steel/dp/B005188T90?ie=UTF8&psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00

14.97 on Amazon

hey man welcome to bushcrafting so far you have a pretty decent list but i'd like to give you suggestions from what I learned throughout the years.

knife- good choice for chopping and batoning but too much blade to use whittling and making small cuts. generally you want to use either large blade/small blade or axe/ small blade combos.

backpack- 65L is very overkill unless your doing 5 day+ with clothing for every day. I would suggest something in the range of 45L max.

compass- do you know the area your going to or do you really know how to use it? I know every person says to just have one just in case but if they already know their terrain or dont even know how to use the dang thing its just wasting space.

ferro rod- generally stay away from things like multi use gear. also just from my experience you want a long rod (5"+) for more surface area to generate more sparks for an easier chance to catch fire.


pillow- I would not use hammock pillows for on ground sleeping. they're extremely small and have almost no support on the count of your body is in a curling position in a hammock. I would suggest something like an inflatable pillow for you to adjust for your support and then covering it with something like a shemagh or t-shirt.


first aid- your going to get more cuts, scrapes and burns so I would buy extra of that stuff, but I would also add some quick clot just for the off chance of having a serious injury out in the field. and also some moleskin for your feet and pain relievers. and dont forget sunscreen.


now for some additions for your gear loadout.

saw and stay away from those stupid hand chainsaws


cooking vessal


cowhide gloves


Again; welcome and I hope you enjoy yourself and grow with your errors out in the field.

I use this camping pot and it's been great: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B005188T90/

For what you've asked for... I like these. I have 2.

It has 2 internal cups also, and a lid with holes in it... so the lid does not seal. They are like 12 bucks at walmart.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B005188T90/

EDIT: Also... I can fit my alcohol stove inside one if I only take 2 cups (out of the 4 that come with 2 of these). If I could improve it, I would find a way to insulate the handle, since it gets hot while the cup is heated. Keep that in mind for the first time you grab it off the stove. You'll remember it the second time, and each thereafter!! :-/

Stainless steel camping cup from my local Walmart


Specifically this: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B005188T90/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_awd_924Cwb8EFZJ92

You should check this out I don't own one myself yet but I plan to pick one up soon. I've got a friend who speaks very highly of his.

If $40 is more than you are looking to spend you can go with the much more affordable Stanley Camp Cookset for about $15 but I would suggest adding one of these and ditching the plastic cups in the Stanley to bring your total to $20. The Stanley even fits real nice into the steel cup for storage purposes and you can put some food and eating utensils inside the Stanley.
This is basically the set up I use now and it's great.

$20-$50 Mr. BEER! Who doesn't want to try their hand at it?
$10-$20 Stanley Camping Cook Set Being able to cook on the go is nice!
$5-$10 Mimosa Pudica Touch Sensitive plant that pretends to die when touched, HOW COOL IS THAT?!
$0-$5 Rose Kissed Jasmine Tea You need to be able to unwind with something after playing with all the new toys, right?

I'm in the same boat. I'll probably just live with the electric for most things, and buy a single portable gas burner (like this one) for wok stir-frying and hot pot.

If you want something versatile I'd go with a portable gas burner (such as http://www.amazon.com/Iwatani-Corporation-America-ZA-3HP-Portable/dp/B006H42TVG/) and a pan (such as http://www.amazon.com/TAYAMA-TG-28C-Tayama-Hot-Pot/dp/B000K6LHC4).

I personally have a Zojirushi electric hot pot which is very awesome for many reasons but it may not be ideal for chinese hot pot because there is not a divider on the pot (for spicy half/mild half) and it is actually quite huge to store in a cabinet.

Splurge on this

Everything is from the H-Mart housewares section. The stove is kinda like this and the grill is at Hmart too. There are similar pieces on amazon.

Just as a counterpoint, in places like Japan they use those little butane cartridge burners indoors all the frickin time.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B006H42TVG/

Like this. I don't know that there's any fundamental difference between that stove and yours, I can't imagine that there is, especially if it looks like that.

A regular gas stove with a blue flame produces nearly nil CO until you put a cold pan onto the flame. Once you do that, they all produce CO, even the ones built into kitchens. It's not very much and it reduces once the pan warms up.

I think the people in this thread so far are being absolutely overly paranoid.

Have you considered buying a portable gas range and doing it outside? like this https://www.amazon.com/Iwatani-Corporation-America-ZA-3HP-Portable/dp/B006H42TVG/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1478928361&sr=8-2&keywords=portable+gas+range

You can always get something like this for fairly cheap. They're easy to store when you don't need it.
http://www.amazon.com/Iwatani-Corporation-America-ZA-3HP-Portable/dp/B006H42TVG

Not as high BTU as the commercial gas stove in the video, of course, but it'll be tons better at maintaining the frying pan at a consistent high temp when compared with an electric stove.

I bring a folding table like this one. I have a 2-burner Coleman stove that runs off propane and a single-burner butane stove. I'll bring one or the other depending on how many fuel canisters I find while packing. I always bring gear for cooking (pan/pot, spatula, tongs, ladle, hot pads, seasonings, etc.) but the most common stove use is boiling water in a kettle (for making coffee in an Aeropress or french press). I'm one of those "it's better to have it and not need it, than need it and not have it" people who brings EVERYTHING!

I usually camp with a large group. We try to plan so that everyone (or every couple) brings one meal to share to reduce the overall prep work and expense. Sometimes we have electric available at camp and I will do a slow-cooker recipe on site. Other times I make a dish at home, freeze it so it will keep in the cooler, then re-heat it on the stove. A 'one pot' dish like soup or jambalaya is easy to re-heat and serve and doesn't generate a huge mess to clean. Tip: add dish soap to a small scrubby sponge (or cut a larger sponge into a more manageable size) and keep it in a ziploc. The reduces the chances of a soap spill/disaster and it can be thrown away if no longer usable at the end of the fest.

I bring a few snacks and something to eat in the mornings (plus coffee - never go without a reliable caffeine source!) in addition to my group meal contribution. I rely on the vendors for everything else.

I've got this one from duxtop and I really like it, but have started relying more on this gas cooktop. I like the gas because it gets hotter than the induction (by a wide margin), its cheaper, and I'm not limited to magnetic cookware for it to work. I also appreciate that I have to worry less about tripping over the power cord and pulling a 600º pan off the table.

If you need more power, get one of these: http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B006H42TVG/ref=mp_s_a_1_4?qid=1418188037&sr=8-4&pi=AC_SX110_SY165_QL70

I just got one since I don't want to smoke up the house. More than enough power out of that portable stove!

For larger pots and pans this one may work better : https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B006H42TVG/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

I think it is really good already but if you wanted to lose some oz for $$$:

• Could save 5 oz on new pad. Neo-Air Xlite but kinda stupid expensive.
  
  
• Could lose 4 oz on new pot. This is 3.9 oz
  
  
• Poop shovel seems heavy. 3 oz down to 0.6 oz with this.
  
  
• Could find a lighter rain jacket but again prob not worth $$$

This used to be my go-to stove until I discovered the BRS3000T. Weighs less than an ounce and functions quite well for an ultralight $17 stove.

BRS Outdoor Camping Gas Cooking Stove Portable Ultralight Burner 25g https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00NNMF70U/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_E-FJAbMW831GN

Way too heavy. My cooker is something like this (it might even be the same thing) https://www.amazon.com/BRS-Outdoor-Camping-Portable-Ultralight/dp/B00NNMF70U

It weights 45g. You don't need a case for it either, I just put it inside my pot and make sure there are some socks or a buff around it so it doesn't stab a hole in my pack/other stuff.

And remember you can just bring the bits you need. I like mine better for the weight actually, and have 2 different kits:


https://www.reddit.com/r/CampingGear/comments/2h32ru/picked_these_up_at_the_store_for_1495_and_1995/

I reeally like them and when i go by myself i just take the small one, and when 3 people I take them all and 2 stoves. I have an older pocket Rocket clone but got this little baby a few months ago for $10 or 11 bucks:

https://www.amazon.com/BRS-Ultralight-Camping-Outdoor-Cooking/dp/B00NNMF70U

I just try to be cheap thrifty so I do tend to look for sales and "clones". My buddy just bought the whole kit he needed for JMT and is in over 3 grand. My kit is pretty good and I am in for maybe $500-600.

I can always go back and buy the super expensive gram saving thing if I find I want to loose more weight from my pack down the road. But i figure at this point a diet will do more for trail weight than fancy gear.

Backpacking is what I love above all else, happy to help.

Finding a local Facebook Group or forum is definitely great advice, they're usually the best resources for learning about places to go/conditions to expect/anything specific to your area, plus find some people to tag along with. Starting out with day hikes is also totally the right thing to do, it will help give you a feel for moving through the woods. You could also combine this with car camping to familiarize yourself with your gear and with cooking/sleeping/etc. outside with a little less commitment than a backpacking trip.

I'd recommend /r/Ultralight over BackpackingLight, which is not particularly active and of much poorer quality than it was a few years ago, IMO. /r/Ultralight is quite welcoming/helpful and pretty active these days. I don't always agree with him, but Andrew Skurka is a well known hiker/adventurer who is also a great resource (both his website and his book). I think he is more approachable for beginners than a lot of others.

I disagree with /u/ImAtleastTwelve, at least to a certain degree, on cost. It certainly is not a cheap hobby by any means (especially considering even in great outdoors cities you're still almost certainly going to need to drive decent distances), but having a fairly light setup with solid gear doesn't have to be exorbitantly expensive—at least relative to say, fashion or photography. I could write endlessly about all kinds of gear, but just taking the example of stoves. You can get a little stove that screws onto a gas cansiter and weighs about an ounce for under 20 bucks. Startup costs can be high because there is quite a bit of gear you need, but it doesn't have to be too crazy. Also, it's a popular activity—lots of used gear (I rarely buy anything new) and people to borrow from out there.

And like he said, it's totally possible to do any number of amazing trips with whatever gear you can scrape together. The gear is a means to an end with backpacking, and all you need is enough to survive somewhat comfortably before you're ready to go outside and enjoy yourself. Everything after that is either making it more comfortable or extending your limits.

Ubens BRS Ultralight Camping Gas Stove Outdoor Burner Cooking Stove 25g https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00NNMF70U/ref=cm_sw_r_other_apa_43EPybPPWPHMC

I bought this and it's fine. Used a handful of times.

The REI Magma 850 Down Jacket is on sale for 50% off right now (13.75 oz) I got the same one without the hood when it was available and have loved it so far. This is nerdy as hell but you could get this dope glow in the dark multi purpose swiss army knife and save some weight. Get the BRS Stove and save a couple ounces. You could probably get by with the Anker 13000. Don't know what your sit pad is but the GG 1/8" Foam Pad is super light. I emailed GG and they said the pads would be available soon

I use these:

GSI Outdoors Halulite Boiler Cooking Pot, 1.1-Liter https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00GP1GSAO/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_gGI0CbV08N5W5

BRS Outdoor Camping Gas Cooking Stove Portable Ultralight Burner 25g https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00NNMF70U/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_HFI0Cb57SJ66E

Total weight: 135g or 4.76oz; Total cost: $47

You can get stuff that weighs less but I’m cheap.

You might want to check out the BRS-3000t as well:

http://www.amazon.com/BRS-Ultralight-Camping-Outdoor-Cooking/dp/B00NNMF70U

but less than half the price for us cheap bastards. and has it's own source of ignition

If you want lightweight and small, you can't beat the BRS 3000T. It's also cheap, too. You can also get it on Aliexpress for a few bucks cheaper if you don't mind waiting longer to get it.

But it's become so popular on Amazon and eBay that now there are sellers with "BRS-3000T" in the description or title selling an entirely different small stove that weighs twice as much and, in one type I tried, conducted so much heat to the stem that the valve geometry changed and stopped the gas flow until it cooled of.


Here's one on Amazon that has (at least has a photo of) a real BRS-3000T:https://www.amazon.com/BRS-Outdoor-Camping-Portable-Ultralight/dp/B00NNMF70U/ref=asc_df_B00NNMF70U/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=198072135009&hvpos=1o1&hvnetw=g&hvrand=16301542988954434560&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9033901&hvtargid=pla-317875287747&psc=1#customerReviews and the price looks right (currently $17-$19, it was $13 several years ago).


Here's a listing on Amazon for a "BRS-3000T" that isn't. That brass stem is both a warning sign and part of the problem (it conducts too much heat downward). You'd think "How can you go wrong for $6?", but you can. A stove that shuts off after 2-3 minutes is not only super annoying but also potentially VERY dangerous because once it's cooled off, it will vent unburned gas through the stove head: https://www.ebay.com/i/273601044072?chn=ps&norover=1&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-117182-37290-0&mkcid=2&itemid=273601044072&targetid=595076215808&device=c&mktype=pla&googleloc=9033901&poi=&campaignid=6470636535&mkgroupid=77538519077&rlsatarget=pla-595076215808&abcId=1140476&merchantid=118868785&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI1uaEj8um5QIVj_hkCh2nCwTLEAQYAyABEgI_rvD_BwE

I'm an ultralighter and have been keeping an eye on this...

http://www.amazon.com/BRS-Ultralight-Camping-Outdoor-Cooking/dp/B00NNMF70U

Lightest in the world (less than 1oz) titanium stove, and only ~$16. Reviews on it sound pretty decent.

http://www.amazon.com/Ultralight-Backpacking-Canister-Stove-Ignition/dp/B00ENDROMW/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1454174592&sr=8-4&keywords=Cannister+stove

Super cheap and works pretty well.

http://www.amazon.com/BRS-Ultralight-Camping-Outdoor-Cooking/dp/B00NNMF70U/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1454175219&sr=8-1&keywords=Brs-25

I picked up a brs-25 earlier this week (when it was shipping from the US instead of China) and it's a cool 0.9 oz stove that runs $10-$18 if you can find it in stock (or are willing to wait for shipping from china.)

Massdrop has nice deals on klymit insulated static v lite pads every month or so. Usually around $55 shipped and 19 oz with a decent r rating.

The three stoves below have worked great for me.

My current favorite is the BRS top-of-canister stove:
https://www.amazon.com/BRS-Outdoor-Camping-Portable-Ultralight/dp/B00NNMF70U. Extremely light, seems sturdy enough.

For a more substantial remote canister stove I use the FireMaple FMS 117t: https://www.amazon.com/FMS-117T-Titanium-Outdoor-Camping-Equipment/dp/B00UX07EQU.

I also use alcohol stoves, Trail Designs Caldera Cone: https://www.traildesigns.com/products/caldera-cone-system

I have many other stoves, I turn them on once in a while for nostalgia sake or use them car/kayak camping. I used a Svea for decades (fantastic stove, but too heavy now), also my MSR Expedition stove for winter. I use my Optimus 111B when I need a blowtorch to heat really large pots (e.g. boiling a dozen ears of corn). I could go on and on...

Here is the mobile version of your link

I have the BSR one off Amazon. I actually got mine from BuyGeek flash sale for $9.99, free shipping. Took 2 weeks to get here from a China. It's been a pretty good stove for me.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00NNMF70U/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1522032785&sr=8-1&pi=AC_SX236_SY340_FMwebp_QL65&keywords=bsr+stove&dpPl=1&dpID=318GiUmpQkL&ref=plSrch

Is this the type of rocket stove you were talking about?

With fuel like twigs and leaves, how did it provide you with heat long enough to cook anything? What did your meals consist of? Thanks.

This is what I've been using this past season, it's a great small wood gasifying stove. I've never thought about it before, but I suppose it would make a good windbreak for a gas stove as it a three piece system. If the basket were removed, the base and combustion chamber would be a hollow cylinder.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0125U36Q2/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_crBpyb84RD9H7

The easiest setup is a stainless steel cup that doubles as a bowl and a pot you can cook in, a spork, and your camp knife. For cleaning, maybe some camp soap, a bandana, and a tiny scrubber (or a bit of sponge). A cheap flexible cutting board is handy, too.

If you have multiple people, a small pot can cook food for 2-4 people. I own a cheap gasifying wood stove that weighs less than a pound and is fueled by kindling and small sticks; it can fully cook a stew for 2-4 people on just two loads of twigs

Tactical spork

This is my Shield 9mm PC. I spent this morning wrapping it with Talon grips, color filling the slide with white nail polish, and replacing the back plate with a custom one off of Amazon for a little Murica flair. Holding it up is my Ka-Bar Tactical Spork because my Opinel was too far away.

>spoon (more valuable than you think)

Gotcha covered

Click here devil, the first price is $6.93 from amazon

Nonconventional?

The knife on this is pretty amazing, the spork part is pure garbage.

Cheaper alternative for an ultra light wind shirt.

I can build a one-match fire, and I can absolutely pay attention to the fibers that I dry in my dryer so that I only bring along cotton lint. Or I can say something that rhymes with bucket and simply bring along some of these.

One of these + an external battery for recharging your cell phone = a breeze all night long.

I use lengths of this to insulate the wire handles of my cookpots so I don't have to bring a pot grab or separate pot holder. Remove the wire handle, slide the tubing over, replace the wire handle. So long as the handle doesn't go directly on a flame, the 400F limit of the silicone will do you.

Always keep 2 of these in the saddle, just in case

He needs some tactical bacon

http://www.amazon.com/CMMG-Tactical-Cooked-Bacon-9-Ounce/dp/B003RC5FQ2