Best deadbolts according to redditors
We found 386 Reddit comments discussing the best deadbolts. We ranked the 170 resulting products by number of redditors who mentioned them. Here are the top 20.
We found 386 Reddit comments discussing the best deadbolts. We ranked the 170 resulting products by number of redditors who mentioned them. Here are the top 20.
Product Name - "Brinks Home Security Push Pull Rotate Door Locks"
Product Link - $27.35
The design is little different but it is from same company and not that expensive for something like this.
Also, they have a installation guide video. Reviews says its good and easy to install.
So this absolute toenail of a woman has violated yours and SO's boundaries multiple times? She's been told a dozen time to cut that shit out and hasn't?
Get a lock for your door.
Can't do any damage to your door or frame of the door with screws because it's a rental or you're staying temporarily?
I got you.
Doorjammer. Easy operation, slide and adjust.
Addalock. Installs quickly, no tools needed, and easier to hide in case someone for whatever reason throws a fit about the door being locked.
Also, something else.
Door Stop Alarm. It doesn't lock the door, but it lets out a hell of a noise when it's tripped. Wanna embarass this toenail or just feel like being a bit petty? Boom, noisemaker.
No one is allowed into your room without permission. It is yours and SO's space, not for anyone else to invade. She is stomping your boundaries, and has not listened after being told to cut it out.
Is there an off chance that this woman is experiencing dementia? It might explain [but not excuse!] why this keeps happening.
So, the usual: make sure the house is stocked enough with food/water to last X time
We all know bugging in better than bugging out.
And the fun stuff, security film on windows, steel core door(s), Deadbolt flip guard, shotgun she's trained to use, etc, I would add one caveat.
Anything which activates you is probably pretty serious. So I'd have a series of rules built.
Ie: if I'm activated and shit is ok-ish. I'll let ya know. That's code green.
Then up it: if you don't hear from me tune into X reporting. Avoid the news, use subscribed Intel feeds. That was you avoid pointless bias and commentary and you get facts.
Up It again, if the country goes full retard then leave and go to X location. Which you'll know to rendezvous at. And a secondary, and even a tertiary location.
Not that it'll probably come to it. But having, and executing a plan keeps people calm.
And build methods of egress. Just saying, "go to your Mom in Washington state." Doesn't help if there's a Sept 11th and planes are grounded and cars rentals get swamped in hours, and you didn't leave enough money for gas to get there. So build a plan to execute the plan.
People tend to freeze in place when they can't communicate with loved ones. But knowing there's predefined locations you can always find her at, it eases people's minds (yours and hers) and allows for rational thinking.
But mostly the bug in thing. Make the home an inconspicuous fortress and life is automatically better. It's a tad pricey but even security grade hurricane shutters are awesome.
They do amazing work with them now. They're strong as hell, automatic, and completely hidden until deployed.
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I recently got a Schlage connect. Opens with a key, code on the touchpad, it's Z wave compatible. Set up was easy and took about 15 minutes to complete. Do you have any sort of hub or just working with the Nest ecosystem?
The deadbolt itself is hardly a concern for somebody kicking in your door.
For front door security, you need a few things:
Assuming you have a solid core door and use at least 3"
nailsscrews (oops) to install everything (pre-drill pilot holes so you don't split your frame/jamb), that door will be straight up zombie apocalypse proof. Somebody would have to use explosives to get it open.This is pretty much how I did my front door, so I've bought and installed these and can attest to their solid...ness. There are also a lot of youtube videos showing how well they work alone, let alone together.
I have a Schlage BE469 and have it hooked up to the house Wifi via a Wink Hub 2 - super easy to set up, and administer it remotely with Wink's phone app (provision new codes, delete old codes, etc.). I have "permanent" codes for myself, my cleaner, etc. It also has an activity log so I know when guests arrive and depart (or any other time they lock/unlock the door). I also know how long my cleaner spent at the property.
I like the Schlage lock over the August because of the built-in keypad.
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Here you go.
Yale Assure Lock Touchscreen Keypad with Z-Wave, Satin Nickel, YRD226ZW2619, Works with Alexa, SmartThings and Wink https://www.amazon.com/dp/B06Y2C4QQG/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_HgSUCbF2R6X2D
The locks on doorknobs are absolutely crappy because they rely on the crappy latch of a doorknob. Get and use a deadbolt. ideally you'd want a high security deadbolt like a Medeco, ASSA, or MulTLock, but they are quite pricey. A mid-level Sargent, Yale, etc can usually be found from your local locksmith (research to find a reputable one that has been around a long time) and will use a less common key (so less likely for a thief to have a bump key). At a minimum a Schlage (if a big box store is the only option you have). But definitely use a deadbolt; just having it does no good if you don't actually lock it.
Next on my priority list would be hardening the door jamb. One of the many brands of door jamb reinforcement/armor would be best. If not that, then a larger, heavy duty strike plate would be next best. And install either of these with long screws (3.5-4 inches) so that the framing behind the jamb will be engaged (also a couple long screws on the hinge side while you're at it).
A Flip Guard can keep someone from opening your deadbolt (even if they had a key). It can only be used while you are at home (you activate it from inside), but makes sure your deadbolt wont be overcome through manipulating the lock. They'd have to do a forced entry type invasion instead (which will also be more difficult because you are reinforcing your door frame and using your deadbolt).
And yeah, a metal door would be best, but if you can't afford that right now, the above advice still applies to a wooden door. I don't think a screen door does much at all for security, so it is no replacement for the above advice. But if you want or have one, lock it just to make another barrier for them to overcome. Maybe it could cause more noise and alert you or your dog, but your door is your security.
I have these which help me sleep better at night:
https://www.amazon.com/Rishon-Enterprises-Addalock-price-Pieces/dp/B002L6BZXC/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1537755798&sr=8-4&keywords=addalock+portable+door+lock
OP I am a single woman living alone and I bought one of these for my deadbolt. No one with a key can get in while I am sleeping. Makes me feel much more secure.
Ya'll need to post more links
(and I'm on mobile, so no excuses)
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I've had no problems with the Schlage Connect. I installed it in new construction, so I made sure there were no issues with deadbolt alignment.
Schlage Connect Century Touchscreen Deadbolt with Built-In Alarm, Satin Nickel, BE469 CEN 619 https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00AGK9KJQ/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_Lyhmxb1QJ7FQG
I purchased a custom SmartApp to control it. I think it was like 5 bucks. It really extends the functionality of the codes.
https://m.facebook.com/rboystapps
How it works: https://www.amazon.com/Rishon-Enterprises-Addalock-price-Pieces/dp/B002L6BZXC
I had two of these. I had to replace both, because occasionally (every few months), the keypad would be unresponsive. Taking out the batteries and putting them back in would fix it. The replacements also exhibited the same issue. Also, HA can sort of set the usercode for users via Zwave, but you cannot read the usercodes back like you can with the Yale (Schlage only shows asterisks).
I got the Yale yrd446 instead. https://www.amazon.com/Yale-Assure-Lock-Z-Wave-Plus/dp/B076WZT4VD/ref=sr_1_1_sspa?ie=UTF8&qid=1543331477&sr=8-1-spons&keywords=yale+yrd446&psc=1
The Yale is Zwave plus, you can set and see the usercodes over Zwave with HA, it has a speaker that will alert you when the battery is running down and also allows you to get the lock working with a 9-volt battery if the battery is dead. As a result, I got rid of my keys because none of my locks use them anymore.
Vera + Schlage
Close as you're going to get. Everything but bluetooth unlock.
I have Yale touchscreen locks. Bonus: they're pick-proof.
YES. Also make sure you get a nice one that can't be kicked in or opened with a bump key.
http://www.medeco.com/Web/Apps/Products/Category.aspx?id=1448991&epslanguage=en
http://www.gaterslocksmith.com/blog/2012/06/01/the-deadbolt-strike-plate-the-forgotten-half-of-the-lock/
Or better yet, get a digital one without a key cylinder and add on a high end strike plate.
http://www.amazon.com/Yale-Security-YRD240-ZW-619-Electronic-Technology/dp/B00HS1O77G/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1451372448&sr=8-2&keywords=yale+lock
I use a Yale Security YRD110ZW619 Push Button Deadbolt and it's freaking awesome with features such as.
Pick proof, it's not possible to pick the lock by conventional means.
Built in tamper alarm. Prying on the lock will cause the alarm to go off.
Solid steel construction.
Hardened steel thick strike plate
Anti saw hardened steel deadbolt core.
Z wave with a motorized deadbolt assembly.
Push button, non touch screen design. (push buttons hold up better in extreme cold and still react to input if your wearing gloves)
Up to 8 digit master combination with the ability to program up to 100 normal user codes.
It's one of the cheapest smart locks on the market but probably one of the most secure. I use three of them on my home and I'm confident that a burglar would rather bust out my window then dick with my door. I have acoustic glass break sensors and motion detectors in side my home.
Mine ties in to my Abode security alarm system and automatically locks as soon as the door is closed. All in all I rate it a solid 10/10 for security and convenience.
It's a bit harder to set up as it lacks Bluetooth so you can't remotely charge pins without typing directly on the keypad. I actually like this though as it makes "hacking" the lock much harder.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00PM6V1XW/ref=ya_aw_od_pi?ie=UTF8&psc=1
Brinks Push Pull Rotate
That's a bit overkill. https://www.amazon.com/Kwikset-SmartCode-Electronic-Deadbolt-featuring/dp/B004F1B24I/
The Abode Reddit Wiki has a list of unofficial compatible devices which includes the Yale lock. I purchased Yale Assure Lock Key Free Touchscreen Deadbolt with Z-Wave in Satin Nickel (YRD240-ZW-619) from Amazon and it works like a charm with the Abode gateway. As soon as I can I'm buying another lock for the other entry door.
Best of luck.
I've had this and this in my Amazon shopping cart for months now. As soon as my wife and I find the house we want to buy, and move out of our rental, I'm purchasing both and installing them forthwith.
I have recently gone down the road of automating my home. Here are some of my thoughts:
You can check all the components Home Assistant supports here. I have it configured with my TP-Link bulbs, switches, LIFX Bulbs, ZWave sensors, Zwave switches, Schalge Smart Lock, Roomba, NAS, Nest Cameras, Thermostat, etc...
Miscellaneous thoughts:
Hope this wall of text helps you. Happy Automating!
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I guess it’s worth it if you don’t have a handle but I’m guessing most people do. The lock itself is $167 on Amazon without a sale https://www.amazon.com/Schlage-Deadbolt-Camelot-CAM-619/dp/B00YUPDW0Q
FYI, Amazon has price matched.
Sounds like you've done everything I would think to do in this situation. Your mother (and perhaps, you) may have lost the sense of security inside her own home at this point, so caring for that aspect will be important. If you'd like, I'd be willing to purchase some anti-theft items for your home to relieve just a bit of that stress. Some things I found on Amazon with Prime shipping and decent reviews are Addalock, Door Jammer, and Door Stop Alarm. The last one might quickly become a nuisance from false triggers or if people in your household go in and out of your home at random hours. PM me your mailing address if you'd like me to send any of these to you.
Most of the home automation hubs have sensible enough security defaults that you aren't open to everyone on the web. There are also local network only solutions if you want to mitigate that risk.
A lock like this (what I have) solves the battery problem by having an externally accessible 9v battery terminal so you can still open it when its battery dies.
That being said, an electronic lock is still more likely to fail than a purely mechanical one but I think its still a much more convenient and secure setup.
Schlage Sense Smart Deadbolt.
Schlage Sense Smart Deadbolt with Camelot Trim in Satin Nickel (BE479 CAM 619) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00YUPDW0Q/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_6haLDbPD29MJ4
I recently got this Shlage deadbolt with touchpad and haven't used a key yet. I wanted an all-in one option (RC or Bluetooth fob, smartphone, + access code, but nothing exists (yet for Anroid). I'm pleased with this Shlage lock for the $.
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Schlage Connect, love it! https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00D1M632S/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_BNMsxbJ6AZTRY
Links:
Deadbolt Flip Guard
Door Armor
Defender Security Door Reinforcement Locks
I have the august smart lock and have been very happy with it. I chose that over the others for a few reasons
Pros:
Cons
I would use some type of lock (we have a Kwikset Deadbolt that we picked up at Home Depot on Black Friday).
Even if you didn’t have someone using the en Suite bathroom, I’d think your guests would like to know that their belongings are safe from other people.
Good luck!
Yale Smart lock..?
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https://www.amazon.com/Yale-Assure-Lock-Z-Wave-Plus/dp/B076WZT4VD/ref=sr_1_1_sspa?crid=248HG4NZYK8UA&keywords=yale+smart+lock&qid=1557162808&s=gateway&sprefix=yale+s%2Caps%2C174&sr=8-1-spons&psc=1
This seems to be activated once you're inside your home but not when you leave your home. Am I correct? If so there are several other products on the market that will do just this. 1, 2, 3, 4
If someone is actually lockpicking your door you can bet that they'll make sure they do it when you're not home. Either that, or they are dumb as hell. (Taking into account that theft isn't dumb as hell in the first place)
Also - $99? What a ripoff.
https://www.amazon.com/August-Smart-Lock-3rd-technology/dp/B0752XNC8M/
Post the direct link in comments so they dont get free money from referrals. It's that easy.
I replaced mine with a Schlage Connect Deadbolt and handleset. So the lock in the handle is no longer a keyed lock; its just a lever lock.
https://www.amazon.ca/Schlage-BE469NXCEN626-Touchscreen-Deadbolt-Intelligence/dp/B00AGK9KJG
It is fantastic.
Plus with my SmartThings hub and rboys code, I have burner codes and specific day codes.
> My husband and I are closing on our first home next month (yay!) and we know one of the first things to do is change the locks. A smartlock is very appealing but I'm having trouble deciding which one is best for us, because it seems the more I research the less certain I am. I also have a couple questions.
Ah, the perks of home ownership: feeling optimistic and creative, with a blank canvas in front of you. I envy you both!
Let me tell you why you should be considering the August Smart Lock brand of locks. I will post a small blurb on my contextual background and specific situation (which I posted elsewhere), then briefly mention the possible choices you have, and then respond to your list of requirements and setup,
 
 
PART I: CONTEXT
I am a renter; so obviously a lot of what I have to say may seem irrelevant. Seeing as I do not have a lot of creative control over the property, this would make smart locks tricky business. However, my landlord gave me permissions to replace the entire deadbolt, if I wanted. So, the first set of requirements were drafted as:
MUSTS:
WANTS:
So, my research began, in earnest. It consumed me. Off the bat, the first names to pop up were August, Kwikset, Schlage and Yale.
Of those, three had keypad options, which became a requirement soon after. Despite the perks of the Kwikset Kevo (the touch to open), I removed it from the list.
Also, despite the fiance having an iPhone, I had an Android, so the lock had to have equal footing mobile phone ecosystem-independent. That removed things like Schlage Sense and other Homekit-only options.
The final list:
I did a ton of cross referencing, reviews websites, pros and cons, etc etc. And CONSISTENTLY, the August locks were ranked #1/#2/#3. I won't go into too much more detail on what those websites and reviews indicated, I trust you guys can do that research.
But, in the end, the August locks were exactly what we needed, AND more. They were going to be the easiest to set up, and the best out of the gate. So we went with them, and haven't looked back since. My fiance, a "smart-home-always-listening" skeptic, casually told me yesterday how awesome she finds the smart lock.
 
 
PART II: THE LINEUP
So, what options to choose from?
Pros: Most up to date, improved tech under the hood, Z-Wave Plus compatible, Door Sense, most smart home integrations available, Auto lock/unlock
Cons: Most expensive
Pros: Improved tech under the hood from the previous generation, Door Sense, Auto lock/unlock, traditional form factor, Cheaper
Cons: No useful smart home integrations (missing homekit, alexa/echo, google home, z wave)
To compare the above two, go here: http://august.com/keyless-entry/
Pros: Most cost effective ($125, but last week it was $109!) but still ranked #1 on MANY reputable websites (CNET | PCMag | etc), has built-in HomeKit capability, can be enhanced with additional devices
Cons: Least impressive underlying tech, no Door Sense capability, no effective smart home integrations
 
"Door Sense": The ability to detect "Door open" / "Door Closed" situation.
 
An Aside : Enhancement Products
This keypad adds in the functionality that you'd expect:
-- keyless code entry for guests (unlimited codes, managed via the app)
-- Lock it with a button press
-- Attachable for preferred outside entry
 
This device enables you to link your otherwise-bluetooth-range-only smart lock to your wifi, effectively allowing you to connect and manage the smart lock from ANYWHERE that you have network connectivity. With it, you can:
-- Remotely lock/unlock your door
-- Receive alerts on any actions taken on your door remotely
-- have faster access to your lock as your app selects the best connection to use
 
PART 2.5: BUNDLES/SALE
Consider price-watching for sales; I saw the 2nd gen for, like $109...
Personally, I jumped when the Smart Lock Pro + Wifi bridge bundle went on sale for $229 (same price as the lock itself), and the keypad was $55, on Amazon.
 
 
PART III : Why the August Locks work for your situation (below)
I have both a yale (keyless) and a schlage connect. I like them both. Here are a few notes about them both.
-The yale feels more solid (heavier vs schlage) schlage case is plastic, not sure about yale.
-yale appears to be more element resistant with a gasket, schlage does not have one.
-yale you have to press an unlock key after entering code so codes can be different lengths, schlage unlocks as soon as correct code is entered and all codes have to be same length.
-yale is quieter, schlage is loud.
-yale has a nice little jingle that plays when lock is successful, schlage makes no sound or it can just beep.
-yale you lock by putting Palm on the touchpad, schlage you touch the "schlage" button to lock.
-the yale can store something like 250 codes, the schlage only 30.
I love them both. Yale seems to function more solidly but the schlage is a little simpler to lock and unlock, which the wife prefers. So I moved yale to the back door and schlage is on the front.
Oh and I use them with smartthings. More of the schlage advanced functions are available to smartthings, but both locks can be code managed and lock/unlocked using built-in smartthings tools (yale with z-wave module installed).
I have this yale:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00HS1O77G/ref=mp_s_a_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1517575819&sr=8-3&pi=AC_SX236_SY340_QL65&keywords=yale+keyless+deadbolt&dpPl=1&dpID=41OYmVoHBsL&ref=plSrch
Yale door locks
Have these on all entry points. You’re able to sync to the ring alarm and have the alarm be disarmed and armed when the door locks are locked and unlocked.
My set up arms the house alarm whenever the front door is locked from the Yale lock. And the alarm is disarmed only from the utility door. (Door we use the most to access the house).
I used the ring app to configure the locks. So when you create a new user within the ring app you can select to have their pin passed to the locks. You get to choose which locks the new users can unlock. You can also lock and unlock the locks from within the ring app and with Alexa routines.
Note unlike the August locks, you’re not able to set a window time in which guest codes are good for. For example, a maid code that only works on Tuesday’s between 8am-4pm.
At least I haven’t been able to find this option.
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I got this lock and it works wonderfully with SmartThings, IFTTT, and Home (I can tell Google to lock/unlock the back door). It was around$120 on sale (check Slick Deals for sales). https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00AGK9KJQ/ref=yo_ii_img?ie=UTF8&psc=1
not unlikely. I own a condo within a HOA and I have a keypad door lock.
OP, this is easily achieveable.
Kwikset 92640-001 Contemporary Electronic Keypad Single Cylinder Deadbolt with 1-Touch Motorized Locking, Satin Nickel https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00R7JVFCE/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_1Ct2AbZ7KA3AN
Get a front door that doesnt have a window, or has a very small window. You can also get a door with a steel core and no windows for added security.
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If you have any first floor windows, plant thorny bushes in front of them and keep them at window height to discourage entry through a window. Yes someone can still get over a thorny bush, but its going to create an additional time and inconvenience for them when breaking in, as compared to a non-thorny bush, or a window with no bush at all. The point of all of this and the following is just to increase the time it will take for a successful entry, burglars arent (too) stupid, and will pick softer targets than you that they think they can get in, and get out of quickly. Their ideal home is one where no one is home, the entry is easy, and they can grab items of value and get out in under 4 minutes. If the door takes 6 minutes to kick down, its not going to work. If they can't bump the lock, or cut through glass on the door to unlock from the inside, its not going to work. If they can't quite reach the window with their cutting tool because of the thorny bush, and they have to cover it with a jacket and awkwardly climb over, its not going to work. You want them to be forced to make noise to enter, while slowing their time to enter. Noise can alert neighbors if you're not home, and if you are home it can give you time to chamber a round in your rifle, turn the optic on, put on your electronic ear protection etc. That way you can have fun instead of quickly grabbing your pistol off the nightstand because its the only gun you keep in condition 1/0. You want time to prepare, and you want to know they're coming. Everything below is centered around slowing down thieves and home invaders and making their entry louder.
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Consider the following products.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01GWF2R70/?ref=idea_lv_dp_ov_d
Installed around the door frame this steel lining makes it EXTREMELY difficult to kick down or batter down a locked door, and also isn't visible.
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https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00HZD8S8G/?ref=idea_lv_dp_ov_d
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00A3XQ9YU/?ref=idea_lv_dp_ov_d
If you don't have a very secure door lock, you may consider one of these two products as they prevent burglars from "lock bumping," which is a common lock-picking technique for people who have the typical door locks that you can buy at home depot etc. and aren't very secure.
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https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00E3FJQSA/?ref=idea_lv_dp_ov_d
Another way to combat lock-bumping is to buy a very secure door lock like a medeco, the keys required to lock bump a medeco are far rarer than those to bump a home depot lock, and most burglars simply don't have them.
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https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00QR2QCJI/?ref=idea_lv_dp_ov_d
Last but not least a metal door re-enforcer can stop a door from being kicked in if the steel frame and lock are defeated, but I think this product is overkill if you already have a steel frame and high quality lock.
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Also consider a gun in case some does manage to get past all of this. However, despite being a gun owner, I don't really think owning one is necessary, as it is a last resort. Most forced entry is done through the door or windows, once you secure those, you simply need to be vigilant when entering and exiting your house. Have a camera or peep-hole to see who's there before you open the door, if you can't see them or they don't answer, don't open the door. Most home invasions depend on the home owner opening the door and allowing entry or upon someone kicking the door lock in. While most burglars are dependent on lock-picking, broken windows, or entry through windows. A burglar will run if they think someone is home or that someone might spot/hear them. A home invader is hoping someone is home
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When coming home, don't unlock your car doors until the garage is closed and be vigilant for someone on foot following you in as you park. When departing the home do the opposite. Keep the door to your house from your garage locked as well.
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Don't display wealth or possessions outside of the home. Some people think those signs that say Secured by .45 or whatever with a gun depicted on them scare burglars. But really all it says is that "when I'm not home there are probably guns here for you to steal." Guns, Jewelry, Cash, and to a lesser extent electronics are going to be targets for burglars, and signs like that advertise that at least one of those things will be inside to be worth stealing.
If you have a compatible zwave hub, and don't need the bluetooth entry, you may want to consider one of these:
https://www.amazon.com/Kwikset-910-Traditional-Electronic-Compatibility/dp/B013KZRTTG/
https://www.amazon.com/Kwikset-SmartCode-Electronic-Deadbolt-featuring/dp/B004F1B24I/
Right now, the Yale is an even better deal...
Yale Security YRD110ZW619 Push Button Deadbolt, Satin Nickel https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00PM6V1XW/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_30JrDb93D07GA
This is the one that I have, I love it. I've had the lock for several years now and I think I've only changed the batteries once.
https://smile.amazon.com/Yale-Touchscreen-Deadbolt-SmartThings-YRD240-ZW-619/dp/B00HS1O77G/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1511119278&sr=8-3&keywords=yale+lock+z-wave
The Kwikset offers SmartKey® Re-Keying which is also available on their dumb deadbolt/knobs...
It looks like you want to go with the Schlage since you already have Schlage and theyre not key compatible with Kwikset..
It doesnt look like Schlage offers any type of system like the Kwikset Smartkey - so you'll have to either have the new Schlage rekeyed to match your other 2 locks or vice versa..
Heres a good comparison of 3 smart locks
Looks like the Schlage is the slightly less expensive option also vs Kwikset ..
If you’re interested in a smart lock, you could consider an August lock. You would install it over your existing deadbolt mechanism on the inside of the door. You can then lock/unlock using the August app, Siri, Alexa, and more. You can set it to auto-lock when you close the door.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0752V8D8D/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_W5y2Cb7G931W3
I just bought the August smart lock+connect on Amazon. It was on sale then got a 20% off coupon. Made it $170 before tax. It's great, no subscription. Uses existing lock and can still use key if you want. I'd highly recommend it. August Smart Lock Pro + Connect,... https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0752V8D8D?ref=ppx_pop_mob_ap_share
Edit: looks like the price went up.
Schlage Sense Smart Deadbolt with Camelot Trim Satin Nickel (BE479 CAM 619), Works with Alexa - BE479AA V CAM 619 https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00YUPDW0Q/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_LoI5Cb7G3YD47
I was thinking about this
SmartThings Version 3 Hub (I have the Version 2 Hub...you will have to look around for this one):
https://www.amazon.com/Samsung-SmartThings-Generation-GP-U999SJVLGDA-Automation/dp/B07FJGGWJL/ref=sr_1_1_sspa?ie=UTF8&qid=1540989501&sr=8-1-spons&keywords=smartthings+hub+2nd+generation&psc=1
GE Z-Wave Plus On/Off Light Switch:
https://www.amazon.com/GE-Repeater-Required-Works-SmartThings-14291/dp/B01M1AHC3R/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1540989582&sr=8-3&keywords=z-wave+switch
GE Z-Wave Plus Dimmer Switch:
https://www.amazon.com/GE-Repeater-Required-Works-SmartThings-14291/dp/B07361Y54Z/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1540989582&sr=8-3&keywords=z-wave%2Bswitch&th=1
GE Add On Switch (if you have a 3-way or 4-way switch):
https://www.amazon.com/GE-Bluetooth-Wireless-STANDALONE-12723/dp/B00RKJS8MQ/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1540989718&sr=8-3&keywords=z-wave+add+on+switch
ZigBee Motion Sensors:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07F8ZHBLS/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
ZigBee Door Sensors:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07F956F3B/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&th=1
ZigBee Leak Sensors:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07F951JDP/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&th=1
ZigBee Outlet Plug (you will need to replicate your ZigBee mesh, I use to motion activate lamps, turn lamps on/off at sunset/sunrise, etc.):
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07F96JB63/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&th=1
Z-Wave Thermostat:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B005EJ7YO2/ref=oh_aui_search_detailpage?ie=UTF8&psc=1
ZigBee RGB Landscape RGB LED Strips:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00R1PB2ZY/ref=oh_aui_search_detailpage?ie=UTF8&psc=1
ZigBee RGB Lightbulbs:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B073ZBYXKQ/ref=oh_aui_search_detailpage?ie=UTF8&psc=1
Z-Wave Deadbolt:
https://www.amazon.com/Kwikset-SmartCode-Electronic-SmartThings-featuring/dp/B004F1B24I/ref=sr_1_12?s=hi&ie=UTF8&qid=1540990126&sr=1-12&keywords=z-wave+lock
Z-Wave Garage Door Opener:
https://www.amazon.com/GoControl-Linear-GD00Z-4-Z-Wave-Controller/dp/B00M75TEIU/ref=sr_1_4?s=hi&ie=UTF8&qid=1540990160&sr=1-4&keywords=z-wave+garage+door+opener
Sonos One Speakers (Great music, and talking through SmartThings):
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B074XN1LH3/ref=oh_aui_search_detailpage?ie=UTF8&psc=1
Amazon Echo Show (for Voice Control...an Echo Dot will work just fine too):
https://www.amazon.com/All-new-Echo-Show-2nd-Gen/dp/B077SXWSRP/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1540990254&sr=1-1&keywords=echo+show
That's about all I can think of at the moment.
If you are going to do this, do it in stages. Z-Wave and ZigBee are mesh networks...meaning that the reliability of the network gets much better the more devices you have. Also, with these mesh networks:
I see so many people complaining about how the Z-Wave or ZigBee devices don't work, when they are relying on too many battery operated devices.
For Z-Wave devices, choose Z-Wave Plus over Z-Wave...it's the newest standard, and has much better range.
In the US, Z-Wave operates in the 900 MHz spectrum and ZigBee in the 2.4 GHz spectrum. Personally, I "prefer" Z-Wave devices as there is a lot of "junk" in the 2.4 GHz spectrum right now. However, the ZigBee devices are operating reliably as I have a strong mesh setup (with non-battery operated devices).
Two great application for the Leak Sensors:
Great applications for door open/close sensors:
Great Application for Motion Sensors
The motion sensors I linked above are the new ones...the magnetically mount. What's cool is that the magnet is in the sensor, and it's strong enough to attach the sensor to a dry wall screw (no need to mount the adapter bracket).
I was looking at some that keep your existing dead bolt in place, but replaces the interior pad. That way you can use your key, but can also unlock it from your phone/ auto unlocks when you get close.
But it's battery powered and I'd imagine moving a dead bolt that often uses them up pretty quickly.
https://www.amazon.com/August-Smart-Lock-2nd-Generation/dp/B0168IXNZQ/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1501194479&sr=8-4&keywords=smart%2Bdoo
I have the August Smart Lock Pro with Connect and it's been pretty handy. I have it unlocking my door as I pull up to my house and since I have it connected to my smart lights via IFTTT, the patio and indoor lights will turn on when it's dark.
One of the kind of pricier items we added was a front door lock that works with our phones.
I just use Zwave keypad locks. Walk up, punch in a code.
like:
Since it's Z-wave you can also add it to your home automation software.
If you're familiar with home assistant (the software I use to control the z-wave network) it has a concept of presence, so you can create a person and associate them with an item (such as phone mac from wifi client list) to use as a conditional. So I can do things like set the lock to unlocked whenever I am home, and auto-lock it if I leave the house. For me it's a garage / house door, rather than a lab room or office, but the idea is the same.
I bought a couple of kits online and have been learning how everything works and going from there. Are you interested in learning from the ground up? Or are you more specifically trying to complete 1 or 2 projects and be done?
Edit: https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/turn-your-pi-into-a-low-cost-hd-surveillance-cam/
This page talks about making a low cost security camera using the Raspberry Pi and camera module, which is motion activated using the camera. Here is the link to the actual project. https://www.codeproject.com/articles/665518/raspberry-pi-as-low-cost-hd-surveillance-camera.
Unlocking a door would probably be a little complicated. You'd need a physical device that can move the lock, so servos and whatever else, which I don't know much of anything about. Something would have to move, though. You'd also have to trust the security of that door. I had considered buying one of these https://www.amazon.com/August-Smart-Lock-Latest-Generation/dp/B0168IXNZQ/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1482266351&sr=8-2&keywords=smart+door+lock , but I read that they sometimes unlock themselves randomly. I imagine the Raspberry Pi would have it's own security vulnerabilities for something as important as a lock.
However, if you weren't worried about being absolutely secure. You could most likely purchase something along these lines that you would activate with some code.
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/12V-Electronic-Door-Lock-Rfid-Access-Control-for-Cabinet-Drawer-hangslot-met-nummer-verrous-combination-locks/32639649761.html?ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_2_10065_10068_10084_10083_10080_10082_10081_10060_10061_10062_10056_10055_10054_10059_10099_10078_10079_427_10073_10103_10102_10096_10052_10050_10051,searchweb201603_2&btsid=6a3e15ec-5155-4fa9-a461-4103a4d08e4d
Editedit: That last link says it's 12V, you'd probably need some sort of power converter for it as I don't think the Raspberry Pi can do that.
Here is the deadbolt I have on both of my exterior door amazon. I really like it because it not only is connected into the system but I also have the touchscreen for those times when I don't have a device on me to unlock it. I got the lock before I got ST and after about 6 months it has dropped 1%
All of the doors I use on a daily basis are keyless. The rest I keep in a lockbox.
August Smart Lock Pro with hub for $149
https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B0752V8D8D/ref=ppx_od_dt_b_asin_title_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
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Vocolinc Light Strip $27.99
https://www.amazon.com/VOCOlinc-Multicolor-Adjustable-Assistant-SmartGlow/dp/B07QNNW1Y6/ref=sr_1_2?keywords=homekit&psr=EY17&qid=1574962061&s=black-friday&smid=A2924Q9PJ7SHQ8&sr=1-2
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WeMo Smart Plug $15.99
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1311456-REG/wemo_f7c063_wemo_mini_smart_plug.html
Addalock 2 Pack https://www.amazon.com/dp/B002L6BZXC/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_OsbgybH3JFBWH
Buy something like this please.
Where are you seeing $750? Right now on Amazon the third gen is available for $141 each
Edit: I just saw you want the pro + connect. I use camelcamelcamel for price tracking and alerts for items sold on Amazon. According to the price history, the pro + connect dropped, briefly to $220. Sometimes camelcamelcamel doesn't do a good job notifying you of these quick drops. I'm guessing they only scrape the data once a day or possibly even less.
Sorry, I left out a qualifier - there are far too many 1-star reviews for me to be comfortable purchasing it.
They either don't focus on security, have monthly subscription costs, or have concerning reviews.
Don't have the schlage connect but I have Yale Z-Wave Real Living Key Free Touchscreen Deadbolt
with Smartthings and have been noticing since the last few days randomly smartthings has been showing it unavailable. If I lock and unlock the door manually sometimes that forces it to reconnect or if I hit the refresh or reconnect button in the smartthings app.
I have only had the both devices since about 3 weeks ago but issue only started this week.
I have the Kwikset Z-Wave door lock.
And I use the Samsung SmartThings hub to control it. Set up a custom door lock manager provided by the community and I am able to set up to 30 codes. Have codes only valid on certain days, etc.
It's pretty easy to set up.
I have a schlage connect on a back door. It's what we use now to give "others" (pet sitter, contractor, family members, etc) who may need access to our house, either for short term or ongoing. It's a keypad deadbolt and we can set up codes for each individual.
I'm not sure of the limit on codes, but it's upwards of 20. I don't know if you can set up the codes for certain time frames, I haven't seen anything like that but that doesn't mean it's not there. You can delete or add codes at anytime even from mobile though. It works with smart things and wink for sure, probably others (it's z-wave) and it's alexa compatible.
You can view it's status and history once you link it to your system. I can know at a glance whether my back door is locked or unlocked and the history will tell me WHEN it was last locked/unlocked and by what code. There's notifications you can set up that will push alert you for various things but I haven't used those yet myself. Had it 1.5 years now and we're very happy with it.
Here's the exact one that I have:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00AGK9KUU/ref=oh_aui_search_detailpage?ie=UTF8&psc=1
Hope you find something that suits your needs!
I'm considering this same type of setup since letting the dogs out in the middle of the night is a pretty common occurrence. Seems like this security concern could be mitigated if a deadbolt with no exterior key hole was used in the setup, right?
Similar to this one Yale YRD246
The handles are mirrored.
https://www.amazon.com/Schlage-FE469NX-ACC-716-CAM/dp/B00D1M5YTG/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1484775621&sr=8-4&keywords=schlage+connect
Amazon Link
Bought the Hive Automation Starter Pack (2 Bulbs, 2 Sensors, 1 Hub, 1 Plug-In) Here for $50. (Regular price $250 - Prime)
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Also eyeing the August Smart Lock Pro + Connect for $173. (Non-Prime)
Is anybody here using Yale locks? I'm considering the Yale YRD 240 based on good reviews, functionality and appearance. It's Z-Wave which should work great with my ISY994 based Insteon + Z-Wave system.
This one works great for me.
Yale Assure Lock SL with Z-Wave Plus - Key Free Door Lock with Touchscreen Keypad - Works with SmartThings, Wink and More (YRD256ZW2619) in Satin Nickel https://www.amazon.com/dp/B076WZT4VD/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_aodtDb5967FK1
The Yale seems to be the closet one I've found so far..
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00AGK9KJQ/ref=cm_sw_su_dp
If i were to purchase it, would i get the Z-wave or zigbee?
Its very easy now. Get one of these controllers and then one of these zwave door locks. Use this free android app to control it.
Not that I want to discourage sales, and this is just a quick price check, but one smarthome.com item, after a 22% discount, is still 23% more than the amazon.com item. Another, after 22% off, is still 8.5% more than Amazon.
Addalock is a wonderful invention.
perhaps. I installed the locks 5+ years ago. Just found the z-wave cards a month ago.
edit - I found exactly what I ended up with
https://www.amazon.ca/Kwikset-SmartCode-Electronic-Deadbolt-featuring/dp/B004F1B24I/ref=pd_sbs_60_2?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=HG2E5Z6VB6AHH4V991KF
keypad and auto lock was the key requirement at the time of purchase as I had a toddler that liked to open the door if it wasn't deadbolted. the key pads have been really useful compared to using a key to open it.
Some smart locks are "key free", meaning they don't even have a key hole. I like this very much because it is way too easy to pick most locks. My door only takes a bump key and a couple of whacks to get through, yikes! Seriously, just watch some YouTube lock picking videos and it will freak you out. Been thinking about Yale Assure Lock SL with Z-Wave Plus but I haven't settled on that one yet. Would really like both 0-9 and A-F on keypad for more combos, or at least a few extra characters.
I wouldn't let my locks be integrated with a smart speaker, no way. And yes, there are huge issues with remote access and cloud access type locks. A little scary. But considering anyone can get into any of our houses by just breaking 1/8" of window glass I'm not sure remote access is a big deal, especially if its a feature that can be turned off...I hope.
My front door smart lock preferences:
These kind of locks are very pricey at around $200 USD. I would only buy brand name here and from a reputable place like a big box store. At least you'd be pretty sure it's not a clone or knock-off. And it would be easier to return.
Just my 2 cents. Cheers! (Let us know which one you get, if you do.)
Something like this perhaps?
I have the Schlage sense deadbolt. It works great with HomeKit.
Schlage Sense Smart Deadbolt with Camelot Trim in Satin Nickel (BE479 CAM 619) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00YUPDW0Q/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_qpYFDbV33YZFC
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Do you have an iPhone? If so upgrade it to a Schalge Sense. I've been using this for about 5 weeks now. It checks all the boxes you want, except to automatically generate codes. However, thru the app you can easily make a new code and text it to the guest, straight from the app, how's that? It also lets you set time parameters for when the code to work. Its expensive at $200, but waaaay better than the August lock.
I went with this, I think it is the most expensive but I thought it was the nicest looking.
http://www.amazon.com/Schlage-Connect-Century-Touchscreen-Deadbolt/dp/B00AGK9KJQ/ref=sr_1_4?s=hi&ie=UTF8&qid=1458751644&sr=1-4&keywords=schlage+keyless+lock
The others all get good review though so its all about picking what you like the look of most. But FYI none of those locks you posted are Z-Wave compatible so they can't talk to Wink or any other Hub.
It is nice having the connectivity because you can lock and unlock doors from your smartphone and even set robots (automated tasks in the wink app) to for example, make sure all your doors are locked after 11pm.
Keypad deadbolts. For less than $70 per door, you will never have to change locks or re-key again. You just change a 4-digit code.
I'm not aware of any off the shelf units, but you may be able to mod something like this. To my knowledge these just turn a standard deadbolt, if you modify the mechanism in the unit, or the key for your door you probably be able to get it to work.
Edit: I just noticed the keyhole looks like it's also a button, so maybe not without a complicated work around.
This Kwikset, purchased from Home Depot
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00R7JVFCE/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_hIw5ybCCVDVTW
Here's what you asked for
Hub:
Wink Hub 2 https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01KW8WGZQ/ref=cm_sw_r_other_apa_D2e7ybH4AEXCA
Bulbs:
Hue White Ambiance https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01ESW34RQ/ref=cm_sw_r_other_apa_B0e7ybX5B7KF0
Lock:
August Smart Lock (2nd Gen) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0168IXNZQ/ref=cm_sw_r_other_apa_R3e7ybSK95NFG
Outlets:
GE Z-Wave Wireless Control Duplex Receptacle Outlet https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0013V1SRY/ref=cm_sw_r_other_apa_04e7ybQXPB1TX
Based on what you said about a nice slick UI I think the Wink 2 wins that battle over a Samsung Smart Things hub. Plus if you get into adding shades Lutron makes a nice z wave shade called the Serena and the Wink 2 can operate Lutron devices without needing another hub. It's not as customizable as Smart Things, but I think it works well and has good support behind it.
The Hue Ambiance bulbs are nice, does tons of white light shades only so it fits your requirements there. You will need a Hue bridge, but that integrates with the Wink 2 nicely.
If you can get the August lock with Z-wave functionality I'd go with that over what I linked because I think the normal August is pretty shit, but it's the only lock I know of where you can assign one time use codes or time sensitive ones. Getting the normal (Bluetooth) August lock online requires the August Connect and its a buggy piece of shit that barely works even with the best connection and very close to the lock. Maybe software will\has fixed it but in my prior experience with it I was very not impressed. You can also add a keypad to the August on the secured side of the door. All those extras add up though, but you can do everything you said was required with the August that I believe no other lock can do.
The outlets are pretty self explanatory, work off Z-wave and only one plug is automated the other is always on.
Alexa can integrate with everything I listed, all you need to do is give everything a unique name and have her find the smart home devices and you can give simple commands like, "Alexa turn off kitchen light" and it'll do it.
You could definitely get more complicated setups but all of these things will work together, you could even pair your Ecobee with the Wink 2 if you wanted to.
WTF are you trying to even suggest, OP is not a locksmith. I seriously consider whether or not you are autistic after such a suggestion. OP needs like a thumbturn catch or guard:
https://www.amazon.com/Flip-Guard-FG-1000-SN/dp/B00HZD8S8G/ref=asc_df_B00HZD8S8G/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=167135816306&hvpos=1o2&hvnetw=g&hvrand=3886080675420544869&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=1014247&hvtargid=pla-500449373512&psc=1
Even so, OP SHOULD NOT INSTALL THIS DEVICE as it is against fire code and could get the person living there killed.
Thank you so much! Sorry for the delay, ok I will buy this: https://www.amazon.com/August-Smart-Lock-Connect-technology/dp/B0752V8D8D/
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Since I have the SmartThings setup - it would automatically connect.
It's this one - it has a Z-wave module, so as long as you have a Z-wave hub it should work fine. I use it with Samsung SmartThings and it can be unlocked and locked over the internet via that.
Just installed my august lock... although i dont see an option with "Friday" to remote lock/unlock outside of home network.
Would be interesting to hear the reviews, i wonder how the motor compares between the 2.
Awesome, thank you very much for the in-depth answer!
SST = Samsung SmartThings
The Schlage I'm looking at is the Z-wave one. I guess it says right in it's title lol.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B06Y2C4QQG/ref=cm_sw_r_sms_apa_i_3inSDbNXT7B90
I find Z-Wave locks are always a pain in the ass to get paired initially, otherwise it works perfectly. I can send you my automation tomorrow, was pretty easy to get working
Retro-fit smart locks do it (eg this). Gives the best of both worlds. Allows bumping, picking and drilling like a traditional lock, and getting hacked from any developing country.
First, it's $125.
Second, that's a referral link hidden in a Twitter post. Here is the actual link: https://www.amazon.com/August-Smart-Lock-2nd-Generation/dp/B0168IXNZQ/
Lastly, that's about the price for a 3rd gen on eBay. 2nd gens can be had for $85 less the memorial day coupon..
I'm using the BE469.
These are the ones I used:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00AGK9KUU/ref=oh_aui_search_detailpage?ie=UTF8&psc=1
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B005DX6GRA/ref=oh_aui_search_detailpage?ie=UTF8&psc=1
Purchased two years ago and they're holding up great! The door is fully exposed to weather.
Schlage also sells a set which includes the matching handles.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00D1M632S/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1
Is it this one? I'm kinda leaning towards that myself.
Got the Yale Assure a few months back on Prime Day. Really happy with it so far. https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B06Y2C4QQG
If your door is not able to obtain a smooth lock/unlock motion due to frame issues than the motor won't work great in this one, but all of the "smart" features are really awesome on it. ZWave module connected instantly w/ smartthings, PIN works great every time, pretty responsive. My only issue so far is that I can't manage the PINs from an app!
Edit: oh, I'm an idiot, there's a Yale Assure smart app... ha. Doesn't have the best reviews, but it does have PIN management so there's that!
BE469 CEN 626
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00AGK9KJG/ref=oh_aui_search_detailpage?ie=UTF8&psc=1
Yale YRD226-ZW2-619 Z-Wave Plus Touchscreen Deadbolt Assure Lock. I love it, it's easy to use and very responsive. The only problem is that while it arms my Ring Alarm when we leave by pressing the keypad, it doesn't disarm my system when entering the code on the keypad when we return (even though I have this setting turned on).
We have one with a key: "Yale Assure Lock Touchscreen Keypad with Z-Wave, Satin Nickel, YRD226ZW2619":
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B06Y2C4QQG
and two without a key: Yale Assure Lock SL with Z-Wave Plus - Key Free Door Lock with Touchscreen Keypad (YRD256ZW2619):
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B076WZT4VD
They work well for us. You don't need to get the August version, as they will connect to Abode via Z-Wave.
We don't use geofencing to unlock the doors.
Good luck!
I setup a slickdeals notification for them when I want to buy one. Just make a search for "schlage connect" and then create a notification. I most recently paid $180 but that was for this whole set.
Alternatively.
Price History
this is the exact one I got, but it was $100 cheaper. HD puts them in their "deal of the day" pretty regularly.:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00D1M5YTG
everything is being done through Smartthings. The lock does not communicate with Schlage and their iPhone app does not work with this version. The app is meant to work with Apple Home which as many here will attest is a failed gated community for overpriced proprietary home automation.
Not under, but the silver is $107 at the moment. link
I actually use Yale locks(https://amzn.com/B00HS1O77G). If you use the one with a key(https://amzn.com/B005NLKRAO), They are re-keyable to match either Schlage or Kwikset locks to match the rest of the house. Also, you can add either Z-Wave or ZigBee, also to better fit the rest of your house. The Geo-fencing is a feature that comes with the Vera Plus and its app.(https://amzn.com/B01BX9P89Y)
For the cost, just get a Schlage Connect with Camelot trim. Very similar style to what you already have and will be best in class for future automation. Here is a link: https://www.amazon.com/Schlage-FE469NX-ACC-619-CAM/dp/B00D1M632S
If you setup an Alert for CamelCamelCamel, you can get it at a substantial discount.